Ben Solo (ROS) vs Darth Maul (TPM)

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As pictured, takes place in TLJ Throne Room

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Kylo loses in a complete-and-utter stomp.

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Maul stomps him.

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Kylo goes down hard

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ruin johnson cries as kylo is laid to rest

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#6  Edited By Turr

the guy who got tagged by a janitor stormtrooper who never held a lightsaber before gets chopped to pieces.

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Darth Maul stomped a Jedi master and his apprentice at the same time, killing one of them. Kylo is a disgrace to sith

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@nickflix said:

Kylo is a disgrace to sith

Kylo isn't even Sith.

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Maul low difficulty.

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This battle is sickening; Kylo belongs with Ki-Adi and Aayla... unless Teneb. is here to bring them to Mace-level

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Kylo gets thrashed

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#13  Edited By LoveEveryone

Maul's first appearance he took on a Jedi and Apprentice at the same time. Kylo's first appearance he took on and was beat by a Noob.

But I will say I like Kylo as a character better. He's surprisingly funny, and the inner conflict within himself is interesting to watch, because you never know what his goal or intentions truly are.

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#14  Edited By dark-sith123

Ben Solo gets stomped.

Kylo gets beaten comfortably but goes down swinging. It's nowhere near as lopsided as people are making it out to be.

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If Kylo cries can Maul use his tears?

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@dark-sith123: what has Kyle done that proves he doesn’t get instantly killed, in a lightsaber fight?

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Besting the Praetorian Guards, highly trained in Echani and Teras Kasi battle arts, whose purpose was to protect the frail Snoke, eventually against Luke himself.

Kylo's main weapon against Maul though is Force power. In a saber only fight he gets manhandled but can give Maul a slight bit of pause in all-out.

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If Kylo cries can Maul use his tears?

He can drown Kylo with them

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Ben Solos

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Maul mauls him

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@dark-sith123: Maul would fodderize those guards

I doubt Kylo can do anything to Maul with the force, anyways

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Maul realisticly one shots him...but then spares him and trains him well unlike Snoke...

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Maul wins with complete and utter ease.

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Death Maul without his legs still wins

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I'd wager Maul after beating Kenobi and Jinn (pre-bisection of course) could still take Ben without much difficulty.

It's only in a galaxy devoid of challengers that Kylo reigns supreme, which co-incidentally is pretty much the whole issue with characters from that period so far. And even then an untrained pseudo Jedi is still giving him considerable grief.

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Maul.

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@loveeveryone: How is that a character? You know his motivations are nonexistent right? Next director can decide Kylo was always good and was hiding his true intentions or he can just decide Kylo is forever evil and always was. Kylo is written as the movie goes and neither his character nor his motivations were not even agreed yet by Disney. As little screentime as TPM Maul got, he is a much better character, simply because we know exactly who he is. He is a cold, calculated and silnece murderer that Sidious trained in the sole purpose of killing jedi. He is here to make jedi pay for making Sith extinct. Thats not a whole rainbow of emotional struggles maybe but its a clear character. Kylo is just a joke. He is manchild with teen emo haircut who cant decide for a second what he wants and he is all over the place with his decisions and motivations. He is a joke not a character.

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I think Kylo would put up as good of a fight as Qui-Gon. Still goes down, though.

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@rgr: But Kylo isn't half the duelist Qui Gon is

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@rgr: But Kylo isn't half the duelist Qui Gon is

Well, we don't know that. Kylo's duel with Rey shouldn't be indicative of anything since he was hindered by injury, weakened by his emotional turmoil after killing his father (as the novelization points out) and trying to turn her to the Dark Side rather than kill her.

The official website states that "Kylo Ren has a lifetime of training and practice, is one of the most powerful combatants in the history of Star Wars, and is the leader of the Knights of Ren". Pair that with his Skywalker potential and raw power, which amazed both Luke and Snoke, and I'd say it's safe to assume that he's not inferior to Qui-Gon.

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Maul wins.

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@rgr said:

@anonymousjedi said:

@rgr: But Kylo isn't half the duelist Qui Gon is

Well, we don't know that. Kylo's duel with Rey shouldn't be indicative of anything since he was hindered by injury, weakened by his emotional turmoil after killing his father (as the novelization points out) and trying to turn her to the Dark Side rather than kill her.

The official website states that "Kylo Ren has a lifetime of training and practice, is one of the most powerful combatants in the history of Star Wars, and is the leader of the Knights of Ren". Pair that with his Skywalker potential and raw power, which amazed both Luke and Snoke, and I'd say it's safe to assume that he's not inferior to Qui-Gon.

His lightsaber skills are certainly inferior, though power is probably better

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@anonymousjedi: How are Qui-Gon's skills certainly superior? Can we know for sure that Qui-Gon would perform better against Rey while being as badly injured as Kylo, being so emotionally conflicted and trying to turn her into being his apprentice? We've also seen some Zygerrian slavers giving trouble to Anakin and Obi-Wan, so it's not clear-cut that Qui-Gon would perform better against Snoke's guards either.

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@rgr:

Can we know for sure that Qui-Gon would perform better against Rey while being as badly injured as Kylo

We can know for sure... because there's no way that someone who could push Maul would lose to someone who's never even held a lightsaber in her life

We've also seen some Zygerrian slavers giving trouble to Anakin and Obi-Wan, so it's not clear-cut that Qui-Gon would perform better against Snoke's guards either.

Except Qui Gon has been deemed as: 'one of the best duelists for his time'... a title that Kylo isn't near too. Qui Gon would perform infinitely better against that Guards than Kylo, based on his performance against Maul

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@anonymousjedi said:

@rgr:

Can we know for sure that Qui-Gon would perform better against Rey while being as badly injured as Kylo

We can know for sure... because there's no way that someone who could push Maul would lose to someone who's never even held a lightsaber in her life

Disagree there. I don't think Qui-Gon would do better under the same circumstances Kylo did. Just to be clear, I still say Kylo would lose to Maul, just that he wouldn't perform worse than Qui-Gon. Only my personal opinion, though.

Except Qui Gon has been deemed as: 'one of the best duelists for his time'... a title that Kylo isn't near too. Qui Gon would perform infinitely better against that Guards than Kylo, based on his performance against Maul

Is that a Canon source? In case it isn't and we're talking composite versions, then I will withdraw from the discussion, since I'm not interested in Legends. Anyway, Kylo has been stated to be "one of the most powerful combatants in the history of Star Wars", which is somewhat similar, although it doesn't allude to skills specifically.

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@rgr: Nothing puts Kylo on-par with a duelist of Qui Gon's caliber. Qui Gon would stomp Rey, even if he was missing an arm, because he's much, much better in terms of lightsaber combat.

'one of the most powerful combatants in the history of Star Wars"

This likely refers to force power, in which case it can be debated which is more powerful as of TLJ

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#37  Edited By subline

The guy who kept up with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon at the same time, killed Qui-Gon and bested Obi-Wan vs The guy who lost to a scavenger and got cut by a Storm Trooper.

Mismatch.

Maul Stomps.

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ROS Bump

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Kylo ragdolls

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#40  Edited By Laskt

Without TROS feats Kylo gets his shit pushed in

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Still Maul

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Maul decapitates him in seconds

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Kylo is on another level. In dueling and in the Force.

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#44  Edited By subline

@alphaq said:

Kylo is on another level. In dueling and in the Force.

How......

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@alphaq said:

Kylo is on another level. In dueling and in the Force.

Utter bullshit. Maul stomps Kylo in dueling

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Darth Maul with one arm tied behind his back.

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@subline said:
@alphaq said:

Kylo is on another level. In dueling and in the Force.

How......

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@subline: He’s stated to be on the level of Luke and Anakin, as well as superior as a duelist to Empire Strikes Back Luke. ESB Luke drove back and landed a lightsaber hit on Vader, someone who is several tiers above TPM Maul. TPM Maul is weaker in every respect to his TCW incarnation, who isn’t “even in Dooku’s league”, who in turn is significantly less powerful than Vader. Kylo is superior to someone who can contend with Vader, who has tiers between himself and TPM Maul. Kylo is within striking distance, so to speak, of Vader as a duelist whereas nothing suggest TPM Maul is that good.

Feats-wise pre-Snoke training Ben beat the original Ren. The original Ren could kill an unaware Jedi by snapping his neck telekinetically and defeat one of Luke’s best Jedi students, who was contending with the Knights of Ren (pre-Kylo training) by herself when she assaulted them. The KoR, at the time, were a fighting force capable of stomping patrols of soldiers. Maul’s best feat in TPM was stalemating Jinn and Kenobi for a while, their best feats in the movie was beating a few droids here and there. Going by feats from TPM (I haven’t kept up with pre-prequel era novels) Jinn and Kenobi have done nothing a few KoR wouldn’t be capable of in combat (excluding stuff like using Force Speed which they don’t do in combat) so stalemating them isn’t superior to beating Ren.

And, of course, in the Force nobody can seriously argue Maul can resist in any capacity. Kylo consistently uses TK in every fight he’s in and we’ve seen him telekinetically freeze one of Luke’s Jedi (the one who could fight the KoR) - so it’s completely in character for him to just obliterate the opposition from across the room. Padawan Kylo collapses a Jedi Temple in one of the best showings of power in the entire verse, pre-TFA Kylo created a Force Bubble to easily survive crash-landing at orbital reentry in one of the best showings of raw power in the verse, he created a shield to protect himself from multiple lightsaber blows after having his “spirit split to the bone” and his body ravaged by a point blank explosion, he has literally repelled lightsabers thrown at him completely unawares with one thought, he has ragdolled multiple Jedi at once, he stalemated Rey Palpatine (who can easily lift many, many boulders), he can levitate freely and completely arrest his falls, he can blow up the Dagobah cave with one Force Wave, create a shield to withstand the inside of a beast Vader fled from, can freeze sniper bolts with a thought, etc. TPM Maul has very few Force feats other than like pushing Padawan Kenobi.

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