Ben Kenobi (Rebels) runs a Jedi Gauntlet

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Round 1: TCW S5 Barriss Offee & TCW S5 Ahsoka

Round 2: TCW S7 Ahsoka & Rebels S4 Ezra Bridger

Round 3: Kelleran Beq & Rebels S4 Kanan Jarrus

Round 4: ROTS Kit Fisto & Plo Koon

Round 5: TOTJ Jedi Dooku & TPM Qui Gon Jinn

Round 6: AS Baylan Skoll & Cere Junda

Round 7: ROTS Anakin Skywalker & Rebels Ahsoka

Round 8: ROTS Mace Windu & DD Quinlan Vos

Round 9: ROTS (senate) Yoda

Round 10: BOBF Luke

Where does he stop?

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Stomps round 1

Curbstomps round 2

Curbstomps round 3

Stomps round 4

Curbstomps round 5

Mid diffs round 6

Mid diffs round 7

Low diffs round 8

Stomps round 9

Gets stomped by round 10

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#4  Edited By G_Race

I dont see hime getting past 5 TBH even 4..

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Stops at 10 where he gets mid diffed

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Could stop at 4, definitely stops at 5

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@macattack1: why would he lose against TOTJ Dooku and TPM Qui Gon? Lol

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@g_race: why do you think that plo koon or kit fisto would beat him?

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@macattack1: @g_race: ben Kenobi is a stomp gap above mfk, no way hes losing to anyone here apart from Luke

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Stops at 10

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Stops hard at 10, stomps everyone bellow.

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@eredin12: I don't see Yoda getting stomped. Nor Anakin + Ahsoka.

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Gets dismantled at 10

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#15  Edited By Eredin12
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@eredin12: I don't see Yoda getting stomped. Nor Anakin + Ahsoka.

Yea maybe stomp is bit harsh but I do not think Kenobi would have too much trouble, especially with Yoda. OWK Vader would beat Yoda I would say and Kenobi weaker than this one(post-hole) had a pretty dominant/significant edge on him. As for Anakin, I assumed it was LS Anakin, who is much weaker than his DS self, if it is Mustafar Anakin and Ashoka then I do not think Kenobi will stomp, but I would still back him up in end.

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Hard stop at 4. Either Kit or Plo put up a solid fight alone, both is overkill.

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Stops at 5 or 6.

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@kaore said:

Hard stop at 4. Either Kit or Plo put up a solid fight alone, both is overkill.

Plo is featless. Fisto is only early Grievous level. I don't think that's enough.

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#19  Edited By alextheboss
@ieatnettles said:

Stomps round 1

Curbstomps round 2

Curbstomps round 3

Stomps round 4

Curbstomps round 5

Mid diffs round 6

Mid diffs round 7

Low diffs round 8

Stomps round 9

Gets stomped by round 10

You have some weird choices

Round 1: TCW S5 Barriss Offee & TCW S5 Ahsoka

Round 2: TCW S7 Ahsoka & Rebels S4 Ezra Bridger this team is at least equal to the team above, saying curbstomp here and stomp for round 1 isn't consistent

Round 3: Kelleran Beq & Rebels S4 Kanan Jarrus

Round 4: ROTS Kit Fisto & Plo Koon

Round 5: TOTJ Jedi Dooku & TPM Qui Gon Jinn Saying curbstomp here is really weird. TOTJ Dooku would solo rounds 1 and 4 yet you said only a stomp for both

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Stops at 7

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@ieatnettles said:

Stomps round 1

Curbstomps round 2

Curbstomps round 3

Stomps round 4

Curbstomps round 5

Mid diffs round 6

Mid diffs round 7

Low diffs round 8

Stomps round 9

Gets stomped by round 10

You have some weird choices

Round 1: TCW S5 Barriss Offee & TCW S5 Ahsoka

Round 2: TCW S7 Ahsoka & Rebels S4 Ezra Bridger this team is at least equal to the team above, saying curbstomp here and stomp for round 1 isn't consistent

Round 3: Kelleran Beq & Rebels S4 Kanan Jarrus

Round 4: ROTS Kit Fisto & Plo Koon

Round 5: TOTJ Jedi Dooku & TPM Qui Gon Jinn Saying curbstomp here is really weird. TOTJ Dooku would solo rounds 1 and 4 yet you said only a stomp for both

S5 barriss is stated to give Anakin a good fight, she absolutely annihilates Ezra, and tcw s5 ahsoka=s7

Totj dooku dooku can't take two near s5 Anakin level opponents on his own, not even S4 dooku can do that, and jinn is fodder

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@gioppy37: I think he would be pressed fighting to sitting Council member Jedi Masters at the same time. Kenobi's defensive approach to battle does not fairl well against two life long force users with this pedigree. Not to say he cant win i just dont like the match up here.

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@gioppy37: because Dooku is the greateat pure swordsman in the Jedi + Qui Gon is artaru based + no pushover..

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#25  Edited By Eredin12

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I think he would be pressed fighting to sitting Council member Jedi Masters at the same time. Kenobi's defensive approach to battle does not fairl well against two life long force users with this pedigree. Not to say he cant win i just dont like the match up here.

Being on council does not mean much, Trebor was on council and he got low diffed by Jango with blaster. Plo himself is quite featless and Fisto has not done anything that compares with Kenobi. A much superior team got fodderized by pre-order 66 Sidious who is well below Rebels Kenobi. We also saw in OWK, that Kenobi is good at offense as well.

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#26  Edited By gioppy37

@g_race: fair, but being on the council doesn’t necessarily mean being a good duelist or a strong force user. Look at Coleman Trebor. He earned a sit in the council thanks to his diplomatic and political skills. Also kenobi is not bad at offense, plus can beat them with his superior skills with the force. Plo koon is a great character, one of my favorites (kit fisto as well) but he’s pretty much featless in canon. We basically haven’t seen any duel from him, or force feats. Kit fisto is also almost featless: his best feat is taking down grievous and lasting for like 5 seconds vs sidious. If I’m not wrong, ROTS Kit Fisto (his prime) is stated to be = TPM Maul.

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@g_race: sure, but which feat does TOTJ Dooku have beside beating Yaddle? Jedi dooku is weaver than his Sith version, who himself is < in both dueling and force than kenobi, via statements and feats. Adding qui gon to the equation shouldn’t help too much… he was a good duelist yes, but not in kenobi’s level + ataru is not great against soresu.

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S5 barriss is stated to give Anakin a good fight, she absolutely annihilates Ezra, and tcw s5 ahsoka=s7

S7 Ahsoka>S5 Ahsoka. Her performance against Maul and the Mandalorians are proof enough of that. S5 Barris never had a chance against Anakin. She made him work for it a bit, but they are not on the same level.

Totj dooku dooku can't take two near s5 Anakin level opponents on his own, not even S4 dooku can do that, and jinn is fodder

S5 Barriss and Ahsoka aren't S5 Anakin level, lol. They would be lucky to beat AOTC Anakin.

S5 Anakin>=TOTJ Doku>S7 Ahsoka>Barriss>=S5 Ahsoka>Ezra

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S5 barriss is stated to give Anakin a good fight, she absolutely annihilates Ezra, and tcw s5 ahsoka=s7

S7 Ahsoka>S5 Ahsoka. Her performance against Maul and the Mandalorians are proof enough of that. S5 Barris never had a chance against Anakin. She made him work for it a bit, but they are not on the same level.

Totj dooku dooku can't take two near s5 Anakin level opponents on his own, not even S4 dooku can do that, and jinn is fodder

S5 Barriss and Ahsoka aren't S5 Anakin level, lol. They would be lucky to beat AOTC Anakin.

S5 Anakin>=TOTJ Doku>S7 Ahsoka>Barriss>=S5 Ahsoka>Ezra

Her performance against maul upscales maul not the other way round. S5 maul is pretty far beneath s5 obi wan who was beat by s5 grievous. So s7 maul got an upscale from being >ahsoka, as she competed very well against grevious

However im currently trying to figure out the dathomir amp so I'll get back to you on that, because if it's not very much s7 maul is much stronger than I thought and it definitely upscales s7 ahsoka

S5 Barriss is stated to give s5 Anakin a good fight and s5 ahsoka was able to land hits on barriss while nerfed (also stated, I'll get that one if u want it)

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@gioppy37: TPM Dooku can pressure Yoda and Mace, I don’t see past prime kenobi doing better. Add Qui-Gon as well and yeh Ben isn’t winning.

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Ahsoka Tano and Barriss Offee -- they'd hardpress him, and there's an all too deal danger of being exhausted, but Old Ben is still a force to reckon with. I think he could manage to outfox the two students, or even outfight them.

Ahsoka Tano and Ezra Bridger -- well, Padawan Tano is a little rusty compared to herself in the last round, and Bridger's skills are more-so along the lines of an Imperial Inquisitor; he'd be no match for Barriss Offee or Padawan Tano, let alone Obi-Wan Kenobi. The old Jedi Knight will have a considerably easier time navigating this match.

Kelleran Beq and Kanan Jarrus -- this one is a push, more-so than even Round One. Jarrus is little better than Ezra Bridger, but like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Beq is a Jedi Master, and evidently one of high standing, given his position at the Coruscant Jedi Temple. It's possible that, in single combat, Old Ben could eventually outmaneuver Master Beq, but I wouldn't count on it with Jarrus' assistance -- you'd need Master Kenobi in his own fighting prime to reliably pull this off.

Kit Fisto and Plo Koon -- Obi-Wan Kenobi could hold his own for a time, but he's not going to win. Even at his best, years ago, one-to-one either of these Council Masters would be exceedingly competitive challengers, let alone together; Master Fisto arguably would have been the better swordfighter, and Master Koon is senior to both. This isn't a match Master Kenobi could win in his prime, and unfortunately, Old Ben isn't as sharp as he used to be.

Master Dooku and Qui-Gon Jinn -- the same result as Round Four. On an individual basis, these men are proper rivals of Obi-Wan Kenobi even at his apex.

Baylan Skoll and Cere Junda -- well, Junda is from the Expanded Universe, but I suppose if you translate her over to this medium, she could put up a fight. She was once a Jedi Master herself, and after recovering from the trauma of the Jedi Purge, she was able to contend with Darth Vader in an intense brawl. Even so, she wasn't as much of a match for the Dark Lord as Old Ben proved aboard the Death Star, and so one-to-one, I'd side with Obi-Wan Kenobi. Of course, former Master Junda isn't alone, as she's backed up by a fallen Jedi Knight. Skoll is a formidable opponent indeed, as tough and sinister as you'd expect a grizzled ex-Jedi to be -- I doubt that he'd manage to outfight Old Ben, but alongside Junda, he should eventually overwhelm Master Kenobi. The old Jedi is still a threat, though. They could very well lose.

Anakin Skywalker and Ahsoka Tano -- this would result in the defeat of Old Ben, for essentially the same reasons as Rounds Four and Five. As a matured adult, Agent Tano is as worthy a challenger for her former mentor as she is for Darth Vader, and Skywalker surpassed Obi-Wan Kenobi even when the Jedi Master was at his finest.

Mace Windu and Quinlan Vos -- similar to Rounds Four, Five, and Seven. Master Vos would be tough enough back during the Clone Wars, and Master Windu is second only to Yoda. Speaking of whom...

Yoda -- Yeah, that's not gonna end well for Old Ben. Yoda is an undefeated duelist, and the single greatest master of the Force we've seen. He was unmatched even in the golden age of the Jedi Order -- the Emperor himself could not outfight or overpower the ancient Grand Master. Obi-Wan Kenobi would not even try.

Luke Skywalker -- Well, in the context of The Mandalorian/The Book of Boba Fett, I suppose that Old Ben is probably supposed to be the more skillful swordsman, and of course he's wiser, and more experienced. But as he himself told Luke, he's getting too old for this sort of thing. Skywalker is incredibly powerful -- stronger, in fact, than Master Kenobi -- and still quite adept with a lightsaber. The talented Jedi Knight may indeed best his old mentor.

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@macattack1: old Ben is basically prime kenobi. Rebels Kenobi is the second strongest version of Kenobi in canon. He’s just behind ANH Kenobi.

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Aint passing 5

Wtf is with this Obi Wan wank?What feats does he have to believe he beats R5?

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@ieatnettles:

When I say 'Expanded Universe', I refer not to Legends, but to all Star Wars material outside of the main canon of films and television shows. The character of Cere Junda is part of current continuity, but she's yet to appear in a story that would make her relevant to mediums such as Star Wars Rebels.

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@dertilt said:

Aint passing 5

Wtf is with this Obi Wan wank?What feats does he have to believe he beats R5?

Why would he stop at 5? Qui Gon is non factor and much more powerful version of Dooku got stomped by Dark Side Anakin. Kenobi on other hand beat OWK Vader and could hold his own against ANH Vader, both versions well above Anakin that wrecked Dooku.

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@lord_tenebrous: we must use a very different scaling then, since rebels Kenobi is PRE prime kenobi, not post prime. Of course I’m talking about canon. 😅 Anyway, I don’t agree with almost any of your opinions, but I respect them. Also can’t understand how featless plo koon and kit fisto would beat him, but baylan skoll + cere junda couldn’t since baylan is at least equal to prime Ashoka and could probably take both of the two previous masters alone.

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@dertilt: this “wank” is stronger than the Kenobi that defeated Anakin on mustafar, and even than the ben Kenobi that made Vader helpless in the Kenobi Series. He 3-shotted prime maul, and just a couple of years later he went toe to toe against ANH Vader, one of the strongest versions of this character in canon. IMO he’s the second strongest Jedi in canon, that’s why I have him winning every round before succumbing to Luke in round 10. I respect your opinion tho, even if I strongly disagree. At the end I just wanted to hear opinions from everyone of you, see where you think he stops 😁

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@eredin12 said:
@dertilt said:

Aint passing 5

Wtf is with this Obi Wan wank?What feats does he have to believe he beats R5?

Why would he stop at 5? Qui Gon is non factor and much more powerful version of Dooku got stomped by Dark Side Anakin. Kenobi on other hand beat OWK Vader and could hold his own against ANH Vader, both versions well above Anakin that wrecked Dooku.

Obi is Anakins "kryptonit".He knows his combat style

It makes no sense that Obi went from getting negged by Dooku to neg-low diffing Dooku on its own in the same movie.

And Lucas already said that Ben aint Prime Obi Wan

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#40  Edited By Eredin12

@dertilt:

Obi is Anakins "kryptonit".He knows his combat style

It makes no sense that Obi went from getting negged by Dooku to neg-low diffing Dooku on its own in the same movie.

Same goes other way though, Anakin also knows his.

And here is actual explanation for why Kenobi grew so much in movie with official sources confirming it:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/explaining-mustafar-obi-wan-disney-canon-2327677/

And Lucas already said that Ben aint Prime Obi Wan

Lucas also once said ANH Ben=ANH Sidious, but what Lucas says is not canon, only official sources are:

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@ieatnettles: bruh, it’s crazy you think Maul upscales from his fight with Ahsoka. He downscales if anything. Maul at his weakest should be above S5 Ahsoka.

Also you are aware Maul vs Kenobi takes place after Grievous vs Kenobi right? The Maul episode came first, but the timeline is out of order. If you think Kenobi is legit upsclaes above Maul, that doesn’t happen until after the Grievous fight.

You are also completely ignoring the context of both fights. Before Adi’s death Maul was driving Kenobi back and having an even duel just like Grievous was. We don’t even see the Grievous vs Kenobi fight, but Kenobi was clearly distracted by his men dying and his ship being overrun. You are basically comparing Kenobi on his best day to Kenobi on his worst day.

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#42  Edited By Ieatnettles
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@ieatnettles: bruh, it’s crazy you think Maul uoscales from his fight with Ahsoka. He downscales if anything. Maul at his weakest should be above S5 Ahsoka.

Also you are aware Maul vs Kenobi takes place after Grievous vs Kenobi right? The Maul episode came first, but the timeline is out of order. If you think Kenobi is legit upsclaes above Maul, that doesn’t happen until after the Grievous fight.

You are also completely ignoring the context of both fights. Before Adi’s death Maul was driving Kenobi back and having an even duel just like Grievous was. We don’t even see the Grievous vs Kenobi fight, but Kenobi was clearly distracted by his men dying and his ship being overrun. You are basically comparing Kenobi on his best day to Kenobi on his worst day.

It doesn't matter if Kenobi vs grevious takes place before. No evidence of growth occured.

I am not ignoring the context. It is actually you who is ignoring the context. Kenobi was intended and blatantly stated by filoni to be hindered by his emotions in s5 until gallia dies, and then he reaches his base. Kenobi and grievous stalemate for three minutes and then he is kicked away. At worst grevious is his equal, only using two sabers.

Maul was driving back a hindered Kenobi and once Kenobi wasn't hindered he was struggling with back up and would have lost the fight.

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@ieatnettles: you just contradicted yourself. You say there is no proof Kenobi got better, but then said he was hindered by his emotions in S5 until Adi’s death. The Grievous fight was before Adi’s death, so by your own logic Grievous was fighting a hindered below base Kenobi.

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@ieatnettles: you just contradicted yourself. You say there is no proof Kenobi got better, but then said he was hindered by his emotions in S5 until Adi’s death. The Grievous fight was before Adi’s death, so by your own logic Grievous was fighting a hindered below base Kenobi

I didn't contradict myself, I guess I wasn't specific enough. Kenobi was stated hindered because of maul and is specifically stated to become 'frenetic' upon seeing him

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@ieatnettles: can I see the source saying Kenobi was hindered?

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@alextheboss: I'll send it to u on discord since it's a video and idk how to send videos here

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@gioppy37:

we must use a very different scaling then, since rebels Kenobi is PRE prime kenobi, not post prime.

This was not the intent of the creators behind Obi-Wan Kenobi's portrayal in Star Wars Rebels and A New Hope. He remains a wise and capable Jedi Master, sure, an elite guardian, but he's not quite the swordfighter and field agent he used to be. He has aged conventionally, growing in wisdom but decreasing in physique and proficiency.

Of course I’m talking about canon. 😅 Anyway, I don’t agree with almost any of your opinions, but I respect them.

Thank you, and likewise.

Also can’t understand how featless plo koon and kit fisto would beat him, but baylan skoll + cere junda couldn’t since baylan is at least equal to prime Ashoka and could probably take both of the two previous masters alone.

Okay, so, let us walk through that statement. What is the value of a feat in this context? Why, to demonstrate formidability. Who are Plo Koon and Kit Fisto? They are not mere names on a blank page. They are characters in a mythos. High-ranking members of the vaunted Jedi Order, in fact, and they did not win their prestigious positions in a raffle. Clearly, therefore, these characters are quite accomplished within the story itself; they are not featless -- what you mean is, their specific achievements have not yet been covered from the perspective of the audience. Is a known feat of strength or skill the only means through which we can gauge a combatant's abilities? No. We can deduce much about their skillset based off of what we do know of their background and status.

Plo Koon and Kit Fisto are full fledged Jedi Knights from the golden age of the Jedi Order. In case you're not aware, the Jedi Knights are the most powerful and respected force in the galaxy -- they've served as the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic for over a thousand generations. A Jedi Knight represents the ultimate threat force: in terms of intelligence, wisdom, and experience, he is a diplomat of the highest level, a galactic father figure without equal; in terms of fighting prowess, he is the best bladesbeing in the universe. It is exceedingly rare to encounter a Jedi Knight -- they are an enigmatic order of mystic monks, with a membership tally that could hardly populate a small city on a backwater world, let alone be of any significance against the untold trillions of beings -- and if you do, the situation must call for nothing less than the best. As Jedi Knights, Plo Koon and Kit Fisto are superior swordsmen compared to warriors like General Grievous and Pre Vizsla. The Nightsister Clan's foremost fighters -- such as Karis, Naa'leth, and Morgan Elsbeth -- would also take second place. The Imperial Inquisitorius -- for instance, Marrok -- would prove no real match for their skills. Whether the Kage warriors or Mandalorian assassins, none are on par with the Jedi Knights, excepting the rogue sect known as the Sith Lords -- and even they originated among the Jedi, and employ the Jedi arts, albeit for evil.

Plo Koon and Kit Fisto are not standard Jedi Knights. They are Jedi Masters, and moreover, members of the Jedi High Council. The Jedi Knights are the best fighters in the galaxy, the Jedi Masters are the greatest of the Jedi Knights, and the Jedi High Council is comprised of the chief Jedi Masters -- Plo Koon and Kit Fisto are among the best... of the best of the best. Very, very few could hope to take such down great Jedi.

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a similarly distinguished Jedi Knight. In his day, he was a Jedi Master and High Councilor himself -- in fact, his mentor was Qui-Gon Jinn, another Jedi Master considered worthy of the Council. Clearly, he can stand alongside Plo Koon and Kit Fisto, who are his colleagues. Nevertheless, Master Koon would be his senior -- he's been there since Obi-Wan was an apprentice. Likewise, Master Fisto does have known feats to his name: in Star Wars: The Clone Wars, he fought -- and dominated -- General Grievous himself, outperforming Master Kenobi, a regular contender with the very same cyborg warrior. Master Koon was originally supposed to engage in a spectacular duel with Grievous in the vacuum of space at the climax of the Shadow of Malevolence storyline, but it was cut -- and Henry Gilroy, one of the top creatives in both Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels, wrote two comics in which Master Koon outdueled Asajj Ventress (The Clone Wars #9: In Service of the Republic, Part 3) and Savage Opress (Star Wars: The Sith Hunters). Needless to say, even at Master Kenobi's apex, it's going to be a competitive struggle to try and defeat Master Fisto or Koon one-to-one -- he'd be overmatched in a two-on-one. As Old Ben Kenobi, he's at even more of a disadvantage.

As for Baylan Skoll, he was a young Jedi Knight who turned to the dark side of the Force and took up the occupation of a mercenary lord. He is now a veteran villain with a lifetime of experience under his belt, a more physically powerful elder than Ben Kenobi. There can be no doubt that Lord Skoll is an elite opponent, and more specifically, in personal combat he overshadows fellow antagonists such as Marrok, the former Imperial Inquisitor, and Morgan Elsbeth, the Imperial Magistrate and Nightsister acolyte. Lord Skoll proved a match for Ahsoka Tano -- more than a match, perhaps. The villainous visionary should have an advantage over most Jedi Knights; peradventure, he could even match a Jedi Master. To truly defeat one of the Jedi High Council's Masters, however, is too much of a push. In a series of rounds, one-on-one, he might be able to get the upper hand here and there -- after the fashion of General Grievous -- but at the end of the day he wouldn't really prove their equal. If he was a Dark Jedi Master (such as Pong Krell and Count Dooku) or a Sith (like Darth Vader or Darth Maul), his chances would look better. But he is not. Lord Skoll is more-so along the lines of Asajj Ventress or Savage Opress -- and they were most worthy challengers to such Jedi Masters, for sure -- with his own particular style, strengths, and weaknesses. He presents a notable threat in single combat, and could hold his own two-on-one, but in both situations it's a losing battle.

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Lmfao at the idea of any Obi Wan 'stomping' Yoda.

Stops at 9 if not 10.

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Gets very difficult around round 5 and starts trading wins and losses. He definitely stops at 7. Prime Anakin and Ahsoka make pretty quick work of him. Sorry Obi.