I like both are my two favorite superhero but new superman is strongand fast but is super weak aagainst kryptonite I'd say ben. If he doesn't use upgrade he still has ultimate waybig
If ben goes upgrade or ghost freak he wins. Other than that he loses. Or Ben can make echo echo clones and make one turn into upgrade and let the other turn into four arms so he can fight Superman with good ol fisticuffs.
Ben wins this in a good battle, Upgrade is seriously over powered when given good tech.
Orly?
From Red Hood & the Outlaws #14:
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Jason's ship was near Pluto when they teleported to Earth, and Superman was right outside the ship. He then flies back to Earth and arrives immediately after the Outlaws get there. Light takes around 4 hours to travel the distance between Earth and Pluto. Jason states that they were near Pluto just a minute before they teleported to Earth, meaning Superman flew the distance within that time. Thus, I conclude that DCnU Superman is faster than light.
Superman has the strength to compete but not combat speed nor durability.
I say ben wins but id like to point out thst whole batman made superman bleed is very stupid. Even though his on venom it still couldnt make a kryptonian bleed and if it did then batman would have been dead with one punch
So basically you posted lowballing out of context scans to prove what exactly? when almost everyone there save batman can destroy ben 10.....fail
You were saying?
Did I ever say he lost to them?
no
I disproved him capable of moving at ftl speeds and planet busting ben.
As you can see he lacks the durability of his stronger counter parts, and is only ftl while traveling NOT FIGHTING (He got tagged by Wonder Woman and Batman, he also barely managed to the tag the flash who was not even at full speed.
@AllStarSuperman:Mhm, even than Wonder Woman managed to harm superman and she's only a class hundred (a few of ben's alien are class hundreds, but the rest rely more on versatility than physical force)
@AllStarSuperman:Mhm, even than Wonder Woman managed to harm superman and she's only a class hundred (a few of ben's alien are class hundreds, but the rest rely more on versatility than physical force)
Yes but wonder woman knows how to fight. Ben hasn't been trained since birth.
@AllStarSuperman:Knowing how to fight really well won't give you super strength
think of it as this way
Master Chief v.s Superman
Master Chief was trained at the age of four by the most advanced futuristic military organization in his universe at the time but does it mean he can harm superman?
nah he's just not strong enough, what wonder woman did was actually a sucker kick (she got him off guard) and not actually skill.
Ben's best bet is Upgrade who can create energy shields to tank supermans blows for a while (And don't bring up planet busting attacks because were not sure how much effort it takes for him to do one, if he was that strong batman would have died a looooong time ago and everybody else for that matter) and weaken him severely with kryptonite.
@AllStarSuperman:Knowing how to fight really well won't give you super strength
think of it as this way
Master Chief v.s Superman
Master Chief was trained at the age of four by the most advanced futuristic military organization in his universe at the time but does it mean he can harm superman?
nah he's just not strong enough, what wonder woman did was actually a sucker kick (she got him off guard) and not actually skill.
Ben's best bet is Upgrade who can create energy shields to tank supermans blows for a while (And don't bring up planet busting attacks because were not sure how much effort it takes for him to do one, if he was that strong batman would have died a looooong time ago and everybody else for that matter) and weaken him severely with kryptonite.
Yes I agree with you is not all in the training but wonder woman is a magic demigod who's super strong and can fight
I never suggested you did, it's just that almost none of those scans have real relevance, he one shotted almost everyone on his team besides Wonder Woman because he wasn't trying to fight her. All of those scans are pretty out of context, batman was on a venom drug that gave him super strength, and Superman wasn't trying to fight back, when he did, he one shotted Batman. And I never said anything about FTL combat speed but his travel speed is faster than anything Ben 10 can do since he can simply charge at Ben FTL and kill him, who needs FTL combat when fighting ben 10? are you a DBZ fan or something? Ben 10 isn't FTL, he's barely hypersonic if that ..... and what durability has he shown over Superman who has taken the Omega beams to the back and barely flinched the combined assault from the outlaws.
Focused heat vision Knoking down the outlaws and leaving Isabel alone
Holding out his hand at a charging Starfire and knoking her to the floor.
Fighting an army of Angels/The Multitude
Not to mention tanking 10k gigawats
So how does ben even win.... i mean really, you have no argument but im just gonna take the time to solidify mine,
@AllStarSuperman:Knowing how to fight really well won't give you super strength
think of it as this way
Master Chief v.s Superman
Master Chief was trained at the age of four by the most advanced futuristic military organization in his universe at the time but does it mean he can harm superman?
nah he's just not strong enough, what wonder woman did was actually a sucker kick (she got him off guard) and not actually skill.
Ben's best bet is Upgrade who can create energy shields to tank supermans blows for a while (And don't bring up planet busting attacks because were not sure how much effort it takes for him to do one, if he was that strong batman would have died a looooong time ago and everybody else for that matter) and weaken him severely with kryptonite.
The reason batman and everybody isn't deadis because supes has morals. (Meaning he pulls his punches)
@AllStarSuperman:Some times holding back that much is impossible with the only explanation being is that his high end feats are with difficulty and not ease
@AllStarSuperman:Some times holding back that much is impossible with the only explanation being is that his high end feats are with difficulty and not ease
@N0tS0An0nym0us: ultimate way big ultimate echo echo clockwork eon maybe ultimate humamgasor
How can any of them harm Superman or out muscle him.....need I show him benching the weight of the entire planet earth for 5 days straight with no sun to power him?
@N0tS0An0nym0us:Okay well I'll give a list of some aliens that can beat New 52 superman thanks to their versatility
(Aliens that have the offense to take him on)
1. Clock Work
Superman ages just like a regular human one blast and he's ashes
2. Big Chill
So far he hasn't shown any resistance to intangible opponents, Big Chill can freeze his internal organs
3. Upgrade
With lex's battle suit Upgrade literally has nigh infinite capabilities ranging from creating energy shields made out of a kryptonite aura to creating dozens of barrels shooting lasers
@N0tS0An0nym0us:Okay well I'll give a list of some aliens that can beat New 52 superman thanks to their versatility
(Aliens that have the offense to take him on)
1. Clock Work
Superman ages just like a regular human one blast and he's ashes
2. Big Chill
So far he hasn't shown any resistance to intangible opponents, Big Chill can freeze his internal organs
3. Upgrade
With lex's battle suit Upgrade literally has nigh infinite capabilities ranging from creating energy shields made out of a kryptonite aura to creating dozens of barrels shooting lasers
@N0tS0An0nym0us:Okay well I'll give a list of some aliens that can beat New 52 superman thanks to their versatility
(Aliens that have the offense to take him on)
1. Clock Work
Superman ages just like a regular human one blast and he's ashes
2. Big Chill
So far he hasn't shown any resistance to intangible opponents, Big Chill can freeze his internal organs
3. Upgrade
With lex's battle suit Upgrade literally has nigh infinite capabilities ranging from creating energy shields made out of a kryptonite aura to creating dozens of barrels shooting lasers
Aliens that have the durability to take on Superman
1. NRG
His containment suit took the most durable mineral in the ben 10 verse in order to cut it, nothing else failed to harm him even if superman miraculously managed to break through it NRG is a being made out of radioactive energy can can only be defeated by getting put back in his suit and incapacitated NRG can not be killed or ko'd
2. Diamond Head
While yes it can be argued that Superman would demolish Diamond Head I want to mention it would take extremely powerful attacks
High end feats show Diamond Head trading blows with a amped vilgax who in his weakest incarnation destroyed one of mount rush mores heads in one attack casually...and in the end he defeated this amped up vilgax with no visible damage.
@N0tS0An0nym0us:Okay well I'll give a list of some aliens that can beat New 52 superman thanks to their versatility
(Aliens that have the offense to take him on)
1. Clock Work
Superman ages just like a regular human one blast and he's ashes
Since when has Superman aged anything like a regular human? Can you even prove that? He has a regenerative healing factor (not like wolverine) that allows him to age much slower than humans, this is shown and proven when he get's the crap beat out of him by Darkseid or Helspont and looks fine in the next few panels, if a normal human sustained similar injuries, they'd probably be permanent ..... this also goes for his aging process since age is only the decay of the body, since he has a healing factor, his cells decay slower enabling him with longer life span ....besides, by the time Clock Work gets done saying his name, he gets one shotted
@Hondo_ said:
2. Big Chill
So far he hasn't shown any resistance to intangible opponents, Big Chill can freeze his internal organs
So he's gonna freeze a guy who stores Solar energy in his body? Right .......Heat vision FTW, Superman can attack Big Chill at a molecular level like I showed you with the dragon looking alien.
@Hondo_ said:
3. Upgrade
With lex's battle suit Upgrade literally has nigh infinite capabilities ranging from creating energy shields made out of a kryptonite aura to creating dozens of barrels shooting lasers
Right....cus Ben knows more about how to fight Superman with Green K than Lex ....... ok, not even Kryptonite man can completely own Superman in a fight .....
Superman holds up a failling crane with one hand,until be attacked by Kryptonite Man and despite being weakened he showed to be capable to overcome by short periods the kryptonite effects
So how is Ben gonna do any better, oh and those shields are totally gonna help right?
he has the ability to control gravity at a very high degree.
Superman can bench the weight of the world for 5 days straight and sit in front of the sun and chill without worrying about gravitational pull from the Sun .....
how does this even work out when you think about it.....if you thought about it
@N0tS0An0nym0us:Okay well I'll give a list of some aliens that can beat New 52 superman thanks to their versatility
(Aliens that have the offense to take him on)
1. Clock Work
Superman ages just like a regular human one blast and he's ashes
2. Big Chill
So far he hasn't shown any resistance to intangible opponents, Big Chill can freeze his internal organs
3. Upgrade
With lex's battle suit Upgrade literally has nigh infinite capabilities ranging from creating energy shields made out of a kryptonite aura to creating dozens of barrels shooting lasers
@N0tS0An0nym0us: i was dumb supes is practically immortal but if clockwork attacks him it would age his cells there for draining he's solar energy and makeing him look like a wrinkily turd. And the possibly turning him to dust
I can post some aliens that have the speed and durability to take him on if you like?
P.S: Ultimate Echo Echo can beat superman because his sonics would royally screw his super hearing and get ko'd
Ok, based on what.....New 52 Superman has yet to even be effected by sonic sound negatively, if he has post it, if you are just saying it to say it, then you need to rethink a few things.
@Hondo_ said:
Aliens that have the durability to take on Superman
1. NRG
His containment suit took the most durable mineral in the ben 10 verse in order to cut it, nothing else failed to harm him even if superman miraculously managed to break through it NRG is a being made out of radioactive energy can can only be defeated by getting put back in his suit and incapacitated NRG can not be killed or ko'd
2. Diamond Head
While yes it can be argued that Superman would demolish Diamond Head I want to mention it would take extremely powerful attacks
High end feats show Diamond Head trading blows with a amped vilgax who in his weakest incarnation destroyed one of mount rush mores heads in one attack casually...and in the end he defeated this amped up vilgax with no visible damage.
NGR got knocked over by Kid Ben as Heatblast .....Superman can toss him to canada if he wanted or into space and be done with it,
Same with Diamond head, only that he is even weaker than NGR since he can be broken apart, only thing is he can regenerate his crystals, but neither NRG nor Diamond head can fly, or move at any real speeds ..... they get tossed to space ......
@N0tS0An0nym0us:Okay well I'll give a list of some aliens that can beat New 52 superman thanks to their versatility
(Aliens that have the offense to take him on)
1. Clock Work
Superman ages just like a regular human one blast and he's ashes
Since when has Superman aged anything like a regular human? Can you even prove that? He has a regenerative healing factor (not like wolverine) that allows him to age much slower than humans, this is shown and proven when he get's the crap beat out of him by Darkseid or Helspont and looks fine in the next few panels, if a normal human sustained similar injuries, they'd probably be permanent ..... this also goes for his aging process since age is only the decay of the body, since he has a healing factor, his cells decay slower enabling him with longer life span ....besides, by the time Clock Work gets done saying his name, he gets one shotted
@Hondo_ said:
2. Big Chill
So far he hasn't shown any resistance to intangible opponents, Big Chill can freeze his internal organs
So he's gonna freeze a guy who stores Solar energy in his body? Right .......Heat vision FTW, Superman can attack Big Chill at a molecular level like I showed you with the dragon looking alien.
@Hondo_ said:
3. Upgrade
With lex's battle suit Upgrade literally has nigh infinite capabilities ranging from creating energy shields made out of a kryptonite aura to creating dozens of barrels shooting lasers
Right....cus Ben knows more about how to fight Superman with Green K than Lex ....... ok, not even Kryptonite man can completely own Superman in a fight .....
Superman holds up a failling crane with one hand,until be attacked by Kryptonite Man and despite being weakened he showed to be capable to overcome by short periods the kryptonite effects
So how is Ben gonna do any better, oh and those shields are totally gonna help right?
he has the ability to control gravity at a very high degree.
Superman can bench the weight of the world for 5 days straight and sit in front of the sun and chill without worrying about gravitational pull from the Sun .....
how does this even work out when you think about it.....if you thought about it
1. He obviously doesn't age significantly slower than a human because if he did his human foster parents would long be dead, besides it's not like he can tank a ray that ages him thousands of years quicker, he may have tanked the omega beams but that was an energy attack not made to age him.
2.He stores solar energy insides his cells which I don't see the reason for mentioning that, the only thing that was ever shown to by pass Big Chill's durability is another intangible opponent his heat vision won't do anything as his race lives on a sun.
3. Superman is not breaking through kryptonite energy shields, and Kryptonite Man was fighting at close range...I was talking about Ben overwhelming Superman with a dozen barrels shooting a constant stream of kryptonite energy
4. The sun only has twenty times the gravity of the sun, Gravattack can manipulate gravity much,much,much higher than the sun.
I can post some aliens that have the speed and durability to take him on if you like?
P.S: Ultimate Echo Echo can beat superman because his sonics would royally screw his super hearing and get ko'd
Ok, based on what.....New 52 Superman has yet to even be effected by sonic sound negatively, if he has post it, if you are just saying it to say it, then you need to rethink a few things.
@Hondo_ said:
Aliens that have the durability to take on Superman
1. NRG
His containment suit took the most durable mineral in the ben 10 verse in order to cut it, nothing else failed to harm him even if superman miraculously managed to break through it NRG is a being made out of radioactive energy can can only be defeated by getting put back in his suit and incapacitated NRG can not be killed or ko'd
2. Diamond Head
While yes it can be argued that Superman would demolish Diamond Head I want to mention it would take extremely powerful attacks
High end feats show Diamond Head trading blows with a amped vilgax who in his weakest incarnation destroyed one of mount rush mores heads in one attack casually...and in the end he defeated this amped up vilgax with no visible damage.
NGR got knocked over by Kid Ben as Heatblast .....Superman can toss him to canada if he wanted or into space and be done with it,
Same with Diamond head, only that he is even weaker than NGR since he can be broken apart, only thing is he can regenerate his crystals, but neither NRG nor Diamond head can fly, or move at any real speeds ..... they get tossed to space ......
Anything else?
Diamond Head is not getting killed by the sun because he regenerated from broken diamonds after getting completely destroyed, so even if supes does that he'll still come back and from what I seen Superman can get killed by Diamond Head just as easy as superman can kill him.
Superman would not be able to grab onto NRG because he would over load him with radiation.
heck even goop would give supes a hard time i would imagine.. this form is like slime and can be acidic or corrosive when applied to behave as such (around 2:28 onward): sorry for the atrocious music lol
1. He obviously doesn't age significantly slower than a human because if he did his human foster parents would long be dead, besides it's not like he can tank a ray that ages him thousands of years quicker, he may have tanked the omega beams but that was an energy attack not made to age him.
That makes no sense. How would they be long dead, his body grows at a similar rate to humans but it doesn't decay at the same rate. I guess you missed that part, but anyway, he has been alive for maybe only 30 years or less in new 52 and in no previous incarnation of Superman has he aged like a human. Besides, his molecular structure is obviously different so there goes your age theory. CW has to hit him with his attack for it to work, Superman simply has to move out of the way and open his eyes ..... incinerate Ben instantly.
@Hondo_ said:
2.He stores solar energy insides his cells which I don't see the reason for mentioning that, the only thing that was ever shown to by pass Big Chill's durability is another intangible opponent his heat vision won't do anything as his race lives on a sun.
A half frozen Sun, unless they live on both sides, and if that Sun is the temp of ours (which is very unlikely since it is only producing half the amount of heat), the fact that they live on some random sun means nothing if it isn't hotter than the Sol Sun, which Superman's Heat vision is compared to .....
@Hondo_ said:
3. Superman is not breaking through kryptonite energy shields, and Kryptonite Man was fighting at close range...I was talking about Ben overwhelming Superman with a dozen barrels shooting a constant stream of kryptonite energy
4. The sun only has twenty times the gravity of the sun, Gravattack can manipulate gravity much,much,much higher than the sun.
Why not? If you can't prove why or how Kryptonite shields are more durable than Hal Jordans shields then you are just talking.....Kryptonite man was fireing beams of kryptonite energy and constantly assaulting Superman, Ben cannot replicate that since Superman was trying to hold up a crane that was gonna fall, besides, how is Ben gonna hit a guy who moves faster than light with a beam of green K energy?
The sun is 20 times the gravity of the sun ......... right. ......
Prove that Gravatack can produce a gravitational pull stronger than the sun....i don't know if i believe you when you say much three times without any proof.
1. He obviously doesn't age significantly slower than a human because if he did his human foster parents would long be dead, besides it's not like he can tank a ray that ages him thousands of years quicker, he may have tanked the omega beams but that was an energy attack not made to age him.
That makes no sense. How would they be long dead, his body grows at a similar rate to humans but it doesn't decay at the same rate. I guess you missed that part, but anyway, he has been alive for maybe only 30 years or less in new 52 and in no previous incarnation of Superman has he aged like a human. Besides, his molecular structure is obviously different so there goes your age theory. CW has to hit him with his attack for it to work, Superman simply has to move out of the way and open his eyes ..... incinerate Ben instantly.
@Hondo_ said:
2.He stores solar energy insides his cells which I don't see the reason for mentioning that, the only thing that was ever shown to by pass Big Chill's durability is another intangible opponent his heat vision won't do anything as his race lives on a sun.
A half frozen Sun, unless they live on both sides, and if that Sun is the temp of ours (which is very unlikely since it is only producing half the amount of heat), the fact that they live on some random sun means nothing if it isn't hotter than the Sol Sun, which Superman's Heat vision is compared to .....
@Hondo_ said:
3. Superman is not breaking through kryptonite energy shields, and Kryptonite Man was fighting at close range...I was talking about Ben overwhelming Superman with a dozen barrels shooting a constant stream of kryptonite energy
4. The sun only has twenty times the gravity of the sun, Gravattack can manipulate gravity much,much,much higher than the sun.
Why not? If you can't prove why or how Kryptonite shields are more durable than Hal Jordans shields then you are just talking.....Kryptonite man was fireing beams of kryptonite energy and constantly assaulting Superman, Ben cannot replicate that since Superman was trying to hold up a crane that was gonna fall, besides, how is Ben gonna hit a guy who moves faster than light with a beam of green K energy?
The sun is 20 times the gravity of the sun ......... right. ......
Prove that Gravatack can produce a gravitational pull stronger than the sun....i don't know if i believe you when you say much three times without any proof.
No need to prove the Gravatack feat.. Ben doesn't have to use this form.. All he needs to do is use one of his intangible forms to take him out. In fact if he uses Ghostfreak its a wrap. He can possess supes force him to swallow some kryptonite and boom, game over.
No need to prove the Gravatack feat.. Ben doesn't have to use this form.. All he needs to do is use one of his intangible forms to take him out. In fact if he uses Ghostfreak its a wrap. He can possess supes force him to swallow some kryptonite and boom, game over.
So superman is gonna sit there and let some slow alien feed him Green K? LOL wow, fans are funny. Anyway, intangibility fails, and you can't prove Gavatack anyway so just leave him out entirely.... Heat Vision FTW
For the whole "Superman ages at the same rate as a normal human" thing here, Superman was shown to still be alive in DC1M, so the 853rd century, making him over 80,000 years old. Last I checked humans don't live that long.
Big Chill can harm people while Intangible he froze the insides of machines.
He can't harm Superman though, he isn't affected by ice, not from what he's shown so far, since he has heatvision and what not .....
His brain can still be harmed.
how will the cold harm his brain when he chills on pluto and has Solar Radiation eyes, besides, he moves faster than light ..... he can simply move out of the way..... Big Chill gets one shotted once he goes tangible
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