Beerus vs Seiya (no god cloth)

I know basically nothing about Seiya and I don't want to know anything about him, but from what people are saying Seiya with the god cloth can beat anyone from DBS outside Zeno and Super Shenron, so I want to know how powerful he is without it.

Round 1. Speed equalised.

Round 2. Speed not equalised.

Standard rules.

Any one could beat Super Shenron.

Bump

From what I know about Seiya(not particularly much):

Round 1: Beerus with high difficulty

Round 2: Seiya blitzes and wins with mid to high difficulty

@thedarkpaladin: I don't know much about SS but he ^ does.

Seiya wins both rounds.

Seiya with Gold Cloth is enough to defeat Beerus

Dragon Ball characters don't just stand a chance against Seiya top tiers. infact, we don't even need the top tiers of Saint seiya to handle even Zeno.

Just tell me. What can beerus do to seiya?

-Can he outspeed him? No i doubt that. Seiya crossed billions of galaxies in few minutes (or few seconds) without his god cloth.

-Can he hakai him? Saint seiya characters have their answer against somehow who erase people from existence. Saga, Camus and Shura bring themselves back to life after being erased by hades and thus by unlocking the 8 th sense, the arayashiki. Even aspros was able to bring himself back to life after being erased from space and time by Yoma. Not only Seiya has the 8th sense, but he also unlocked the 9th sense by the end of the apollo movie.

And before you say "it's a movie, it's not canon". In the anime and mangas, Seiya had a vision of himself in wheelchair. That even happened in the apollo movie.

-Can he hakai him again? No, because the same attack doesn't work twice against a saint. I'm not making stuff up. That's the bullshit power of the saint seiya characters. Watch the serie, everytime it's

"Nani? Why didn't that work!!"

"Hahaha, don't you know that the same attack doesn't work twice against a saint?"

"No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

-Can he tank his attacks? No, how can he tank an attack that bypasses durability?

Seiya honestly doesn't need God Cloth for the likes of Beerus and a Knight's power is determined by how well he can burn his Cosmo - not necessarily the Cloth he's wearing.

@zokologue3: hakai would erase their soul itself from existence. There would be no coming back.

Same for Hades. He brang them back to life and promised them eternal life. They betrayed him and then he erased their bodies and souls from existence. Their souls were found nowhere in hell, while aiolia, Milo and Mu's bodies were in the frozen hell.

He is the god of the underworld. Even the god of death, Thanatos, is his right hand man.

@thedarkpaladin: Is there any SS character that is Teambuster/Skyfather level?

@death2heretics: There are universal to multi-universal beings in Saint Seiya and the majority of the verse is extremely fast and loaded with hax, so yeah.

Galaxy lvl vs universal + lvl, -.-

@zokologue3:

Wrong,the time limit he that is hades gave to them was 12 hrs,and said time was up while they attempted to threaten Pandora's life. Pandora even stated if they were scared to go back to the land of the death and she even wanted to negotiate with them to extend their time limit by laying a request to hades if they told her where Athena was. Stop taking things out of context,their 8th sense would be useless as there would be no soul to maneuver things in hades. Hakai GG

Not wrong. Hades gave me 12 hours to get athena's head back. If they don't do it by the time he would erase them.

And if they were really in the land of the dead, Kanon, Shaka, Shiryu, Hyoga, shun, or ikki would have find them since they went through all the 8 hells, called prisons, and three valleys, they would atleast find them in the Frozen prison which is reserved to those who defied the gods, like aiolia, Mu and Milo. And they certainly did not go to heaven because hades reserved this place to the purest humans, not traitors.

No, Hakai won't gg.

Saint Seiya characters have more than enough examples of withstanding attacks that target you on a physical and spiritual level, Seiya included. Even Taurus Aldebaran resisted physical/spiritual destruction and he's complete fodder to Seiya:

"Uma dor intensa percorre todo o meu corp, nao apenas sobre a minha pele" An intense pain runs all over my body, not just on my skin.

"O impacto tambem esta destruindo meu Cosmo e minha alma" The impact is also destroying my Cosmos and soul.

https://imgur.com/a/JpyGR

Hakai is useless here.

That shows you don't know anything about saint seiya. Even the grand priest is no match for a gold saint.

Please, tell me that i'm wrong and i'll happily correct you.

@eternalsaiyan32: Saint seiya top tiers are fast enough to react to attacks that cross Billions of galaxies in seconds.

@eternalsaiyan32: GP isn't even fast enough to deal with mid tier Gold Saints like Shura, let alone top tiers like Shaka or Saga.

Then we have God tier characters in the SS verse such as Cronus or Chronos that would undoubtedly solo DBS.

@zokologue3:

Wrong once again,he never said he would erase them,where're u getting this information from? Hades stated he needed them who were once night to clear the twelve palaces easily. He stated if they could hand Athena's head to him,he would release them from the land of the death and grant them eternal life. After Athena cloth was awakened, shion stated his time was supposed to last 12 hrs until sunrise but it was cut short. He stated soon his flesh would turn to ash and he would return to his final slumber. Hades didn't erase their soul,he simply cut short their time and the temporary flesh he gave them was what dispersed to ashes,nothing there operated on a physical and spiritual existence erasure level. Hakai GG.

@zokologue3: Any angel would stomp any saint with god cloth. GP via scaling is above hades himself.

When DBS gets some solid combat speed feats and better resistance to hax, then we can talk about putting them up against superior verses like Saint Seiya or Gurren Lagann. Until then, these threads all end in the same way: DBS getting stomped horribly.

Seiya stompage.

Anyone.

How is he a 5D Charakter, when Zeno is at best only a 4D Charakter? o.O

Well, but Cronus is in another league then Hades and Pegasus Seiya.

hehehe.

So you really don't know anything about saint seiya.

-First of all, Grand Priest is not a 5D characters, wasn't said, wasn't shown and wasn't implied.

-Second, Hades is not any god, he is in top 3 strongest god. The big three: Zeus, Hades and Poseidon. Saying that it took 5 god saints to defeat hades doesn't show how weak are the god saints, it show how strong is Hades.

Third, Hades is not a 4D character, never said, never shown and never implied. The only 4D characters are those who transcend time. Well, Yoma, the younger brother of chronos, was able to freeze hades.

-And about the golds saints. There is hundreds of way of how they can kill him including atoms destruction.

-Shaka, can use tebu horin to delete his 6 senses. The 6th sens is the spirit, so he can makes the grand priest a living vegetable.

-Saga can open a gate to the hyperdimension. Well, he never did it, all he can do is open gates to other dimensions. But the 18th century gold saints, apros, did so in order to defeat yoma. What's the hyperdimension? It's a dimension created by hades, if you don't possess divine ichor you'll be reduce to atoms if you penetrate it.

-Shura can cut through anything, and was fast enough to outspeed the original big bang. If he concentrate his cosmos enough he can ct through divine things as shown in saint seiya g. Also when his arm is broken his excalibur become even sharper.

-Harbinger (from saint seiya omega) who's attack, the greatest horn, is so powerful that it tears the space and create a dimensional breaches. That's what he used to send Soma, Tuna, Ryuho and Haruto out of his house. We never seen any attack that powerful in dragon ball

-Hyoga, well he's not actually a gold saints, but in saint seiya omega, his ice power was so powerful that it was able to make the time go slower.

...etc

Just going to post this again,i don't really understand how the combined force of the gold knights can't breach Camus freezing coffin but the Libra gold cloth weapons that are stated to be star level in dc by shun could breach said coffin. It was thesame with the Poseidon pillars,the combined force of the gold knights can't breach those pillars and once again,said Libra weapon oneshotted them. It felt heavy and seiya even highballed those weapons and said it really could destroy a star. The Gold nights are multi star level if highballed,the rest of their resources like AE and so on are special cannons that are put in place at some certain time.

Dbs god casually outclasses them as a relenting not serious god is easily universal with physical stat.

@mainjp said:

Seiya stompage.

@fc_tsukihanami said:

Anyone can beat Super Shenron.

Anyone.

Krillin is confirmed Universal +

Well, that only showns that he isn´t Multiverse. But do you need Multiverse to be a 4-D Charakter? 3-D is the Universe without Time-Space. 4-D is the Universe with Time Space. Someone who is above one Universe should be 4-D because he isn´t dependent to one time-space continuum. Zeno is bound by a higherer Space-Time-Concept. That is the way i think.

Btw. But to be sure, i wrote "at best" :D I am undecided

When anyone in ss verse erase an entire timeline housing 12 universe casually,then we would talk about anyone in ss verse scaling on par to zeno's level.

Zeno never did erase 12 universes at the same. Also zeno is pretty weak, he can't keep up with the speed of a saint seiya character and even he was able to erase them. SS characters have already dealt with characters than erase people from existence and defeated them.

Also in the fight between shaka ( a gold saint) and Shijima (another gold saints) they created and destroyed countless universes. So here it is :p

When it was it ever mentioned that Libra's weapons max out at star level? They're just stated to have enough weight and force to crush stars last I checked. If the combined might of multiple Gold Knights can create a universal attack, yet still not breach the Freezing Coffin, that would only make the Libra Weapons' true potency even greater.

And while we're on the subject, does anyone care to explain why Freeza thought a planet busting attack would be impressive to GoD tier characters in the ToP? I'd hate to see what his standard DC is without charging his final attack...

@joviolma said:

@mainjp said:

Seiya stompage.

@fc_tsukihanami said:

Anyone can beat Super Shenron.

Anyone.

Krillin is confirmed Universal +

He can grant any wish right? Just wish for him to die. GG no re

@fc_tsukihanami said:

@joviolma said:

@mainjp said:

Seiya stompage.

@fc_tsukihanami said:

Anyone can beat Super Shenron.

Anyone.

Krillin is confirmed Universal +

He can grant any wish right? Just wish for him to die. GG no re

I know right, I don't understand DB fan who think that DB characters can beat SS characters, the only ones who can be a challenge are the Angels, nothing more.

@zokologue3:

Zeno erased a timering housing 12 universes and tanked said attack. Zeno erasure wipes anyone out like a folder,not even tiers who resist hakai on a physical and spiritual erasure scale are on par to sustaining it for even a second as it's not a physical attack that could be tanked to begin with. His erasure has erased omniscience astral beings that became non corporal with time and space from existence,a timeline was also popped from said effect of zeno's erasure. Said feat was carried out casually considering he was playing in a void of nothingness like nothing had even happen,this means he could operate on a much higher scale. Good thing you pointed out a feat of shaka and shijima that is considered universal though.

Zeno still toys around with the ss timeline.

I like how u dodge my post above though,concluding things without being fair. Its totally fine.

Nope, zeno never erased a universe in his entire life.

You may say "He's trolling" but no. All zeno is capable of is erasing people, not planets. When he erased the universe 9 you can clearly see in whis crystal ball that universe remained the same, they were still galaxies left. That would make sense since the participant of the universe 9 who weren't in their universe got erased as well

And he never erased trunks timeline, where did you get that from? How was trunk able to return back to his universe without using any dragon ball if his timeline was erased?

-And "Zeno can erase tier who can resist hakai" Ok maybe, there isn't a single panel that suggest it but whatever. What make you think that he can erase a ss character? Saga who was erased by Hades who is billion of time stronger than zeno was able to bring himself back thanks to his bullshit-main-character power. You get that? He was already erased, body and soul.

SS dealt with characters that erase space and time stronger than Zeno like Hades and Chronos. Zeno is weak as hell. He can't even tank a punch. All he has is the power to erase people. Nothing more. He couldn't even follow the gOdS fightings each others in the mangas and Dyspo fighting frieza. How can he follow a character that outspeeded the original big bang? Shura?

And even if he did so. It's still a weak feat compared to what shaka and shijima did. They destroyed countless of universes.

How many universe there are in Dragon ball super? 15 or 17 i don't remember the original number. Zeno erased the rest when he was angry, so there are only 12 universes left. See? Angry bloodlusted zeno can erase 3 or 5 universes at teh same time. Shaka and shijima destroyed "countless" universes. That's the used word, "Countless"

Gold Seiya solos the db verse.

@zokologue3 said:

@elderelijah190 said:

@zokologue3:

Zeno erased a timering housing 12 universes and tanked said attack. Zeno erasure wipes anyone out like a folder,not even tiers who resist hakai on a physical and spiritual erasure scale are on par to sustaining it for even a second as it's not a physical attack that could be tanked to begin with. His erasure has erased omniscience astral beings that became non corporal with time and space from existence,a timeline was also popped from said effect of zeno's erasure. Said feat was carried out casually considering he was playing in a void of nothingness like nothing had even happen,this means he could operate on a much higher scale. Good thing out pointed out a feat of shaka and shijima that is considered universal though.

Zeno still toys around with the ss timeline.

I like how u dodge my post above though,concluding things without being fair. Its totally fine.

Nope, zeno never erased a universe in his entire life.

You may say "He's trolling" but no. All zeno is capable of is erasing people, not planets. When he erased the universe 9 you can clearly see in whis crystal ball that universe remained the same, they were still galaxies left. That would make sense since the participant of the universe 9 who weren't in their universe got erased as well

And he never erased trunks timeline, where did you get that from? How was trunk able to return back to his universe without using any dragon ball if his timeline was erased?

-And "Zeno can erase tier who can resist hakai" Ok maybe, there isn't a single panel that suggest it but whatever. What make you think that he can erase a ss character? Saga who was erased by Hades who is billion of time stronger than zeno was able to bring himself back thanks to his bullshit-main-character power. You get that? He was already erased, body and soul.

SS dealt with characters that erase space and time stronger than Zeno like Hades and Chronos. Zeno is weak as hell. He can't even tank a punch. All he has is the power to erase people. Nothing more. He couldn't even follow the gOdS fightings each others in the mangas and Dyspo fighting frieza. How can he follow a character that outspeeded the original big bang? Shura?

And even if he did so. It's still a weak feat compared to what shaka and shijima did. They destroyed countless of universes.

How many universe there are in Dragon ball super? 15! (with 3 erased)

If you watch Super you would know that Zeno does not fight at all. If it were so easy for him to be killed he be blitz but even someone as Beerus is scared shit.

Whis even says he can destroy anything from planet, galaxy and universe hell even existence itself. After he says zeno was in a bad move and boom all 6 universes gone.

@blackwizzard17:

Bro, did you read what i wrote? You just summed up what i said. I said Zeno doesn't fight but he possess a great power, the power the erase life

Whis says a lot of things and he is always contradicted later in the anime. From what i saw every narration and statements are merely hyperboles.

Like the world of void where there is no time and space who is surrounded by stars in the background, and where there is a timelimit for the tournament and time related techniques works.

What we saw in whis crystal ball show that the universe still remains. Whis was talking about the lives in a galaxy.

Also ss have their answers against Life and universe erasers

@zokologue3 said:

@elderelijah190 said:

@zokologue3:

Zeno erased a timering housing 12 universes and tanked said attack. Zeno erasure wipes anyone out like a folder,not even tiers who resist hakai on a physical and spiritual erasure scale are on par to sustaining it for even a second as it's not a physical attack that could be tanked to begin with. His erasure has erased omniscience astral beings that became non corporal with time and space from existence,a timeline was also popped from said effect of zeno's erasure. Said feat was carried out casually considering he was playing in a void of nothingness like nothing had even happen,this means he could operate on a much higher scale. Good thing out pointed out a feat of shaka and shijima that is considered universal though.

Zeno still toys around with the ss timeline.

I like how u dodge my post above though,concluding things without being fair. Its totally fine.

Nope, zeno never erased a universe in his entire life.

You may say "He's trolling" but no. All zeno is capable of is erasing people, not planets. When he erased the universe 9 you can clearly see in whis crystal ball that universe remained the same, they were still galaxies left. That would make sense since the participant of the universe 9 who weren't in their universe got erased as well

lol mate,i give up lol. Did you guys just listen to what this guy said? Zeno didn't erase a universe but people. Holly shit,even the worst dbs lowballers won't go this low. First of all,whis stated everything was erased not everyone. What we saw there were dust particles as the vacuum of space itself is ripped off when zenos erasure comes to play. The whole concept of ToP is universes erasure if said mortals aren't up to the task. You just pointed out something that would shame the ss supporters smh.

And he never erased trunks timeline, where did you get that from? How was trunk able to return back to his universe without using any dragon ball if his timeline was erased?

In the manga that is cannon,he erased a timering. Seriously mate go watch dbs and stop embarrassing yourself.

-And "Zeno can erase tier who can resist hakai" Ok maybe, there isn't a single panel that suggest it but whatever. What make you think that he can erase a ss character? Saga who was erased by Hades who is billion of time stronger than zeno was able to bring himself back thanks to his bullshit-main-character power. You get that? He was already erased, body and soul.

I already addressed this already,hades didn't erase saga's soul as eight 8th sense grants your soul,an access to be free in the underworld and not under hades control and rule. You can maneuver things over there like how shaka soul came back after AE killed him to pass a message across to athena. Read my post above before pointing out things like this,i already debunked all you said about the resurrection of those gold knights and how their temporarily limited life ended.

SS dealt with characters that erase space and time stronger than Zeno like Hades and Chronos.

When did hades or cronos erase a space time? when has hades even destroyed a universe? Do u mind posting feats. Scale him but don't wank him.

Zeno is weak as hell.

smh

He can't even tank a punch. All he has is the power to erase people. Nothing more. He couldn't even follow the gOdS fightings each others in the mangas and Dyspo fighting frieza.

Said mftl gods that are scared of him to kingdom come right? Btw,if GP hadn't hurry to stop that battle,zeno would have erased everything.

How can he follow a character that outspeeded the original big bang? Shura?

Beerus reacted and nullified a universal+ explosion. The shura feat is a miracle feat though but it's op,i would give it that.

And even if he did so. It's still a weak feat compared to what shaka and shijima did. They destroyed countless of universes.

Go understand that feat,it is outright universal if u consider the techniques being used there and how they worked.

How many universe there are in Dragon ball super? 15 or 17 i don't remember the original number.

18 in a timeline,the ss verse hasn't being proved to contain a multiverse though,just a universsal++

Zeno erased the rest when he was angry, so there are only 12 universes left. See? Angry bloodlusted zeno can erase 3 or 5 universes at teh same time.

Oh,aren't u the guy who said zeno hasn't erased a universe before in his life lol. How come you're accepting this.

Shaka and shijima destroyed "countless" universes. That's the used word, "Countless"

Go figure out how that feat worked once again. It is universal. Zeno still babyshakes the ss verse.

OT,beerus stomps hard though.

@drpepperman: First, I highly recommend you watch/read Saint Seiya. Its a simple battle shonen, but it has a lot of worth, great ideals, heartwarming battles and great memories to be made. Its a dated series but you'll get used to it.

But as for the battle, most, if not all Dragon Ball fans will be using Hakai as their best argument. And not a single one of them will ever admit defeat on that claim, regardless of the evidence stacked against them, because their that dependent on it. I'm on my laptop now so if you would like some scans, I'm more than happy to provide them. Seiya resisted and overpowered an attack by the name of "Galaxian Explosion". Its an attack that operates on a Galaxy to Multi-Galaxy level of destruction that not only targets the atoms, but goes for the soul and brain as well. (Keep in mind: Every Saint attack is focused at the atomic level, kicking away conventional durability) Galaxian Explosion was even used to erase incorporeal entities (Ghosts) completely out of existence and very well has the capability to doing so to physical bodies and existence. Since Seiya overpowered it, he can easily do away with Hakai. Especially since it was never shown to work on a Galaxy level field.

With that out of the way, Seiya traveled through a hyper dimension field (Universal in size) with billions of galaxies contained in them in less than 3 minutes. Beerus in the entire span in Dragon Ball (Or anyone else for the matter) has never shown a speed feat that matched or came anywhere near Seiyas. His combat speed is the same btw since he used that same speed to defeat a villain.

In terms of power, Seiya's cosmos is beyond infinite. The Gold Saints was said to have enough energy to fight for 1000 days. And Seiya is above the Gold Saints. Seiya's attacks are focused at the Atomic level, meaning he could crush and destroy atoms as soon as he gets a lock on the opponent. Because of this fact, you won't be seeing too much destructive feats since the battle system is not meant to destroy the environment other than the Astral Plane. The best power feat we have from Beerus is that in his fight with SSG Goku, they could've potentially destroyed the universe. And that he can nullify an attack that also could've erased the Universe, with 100% of his power. Seiya defeated Thanatos, The God Of Death. Thanatos destroyed Several Universal+ Gold Saints with one blast. And as soon as Seiya put on his God Cloth, Seiya surpassed Thanato's cosmos and blitzed him, putting his striking and overal strength at Multi-Universal standards.

In terms of Durability, we don't have much from Beerus. We can only assume he has Universal+ durability. But Seiya? Took a universal Blast from Thanatos, and was stabbed by Hades' Sword, which obliterates the body and soul as soon as contact was made. And best part is, if Seiya is ever killed in battle, he can resurrect himself and break his cosmos to a new limit, being stronger than he was before.

So overall, I see no reason why Beerus won't be blitzed here. Powerscaling wise, or Feat wise, the odds are massively stacked against Beerus. Seiya barely requires his Gold Cloth.

@zokologue3 said:

@blackwizzard17:

Bro, did you read what i wrote? You just summed up what i said. I said Zeno doesn't fight but he possess a great power, the power the erase life

Whis says a lot of things and he is always contradicted later in the anime. From what i saw every narration and statements are merely hyperboles.

Like the world of void where there is no time and space who is surrounded by stars in the background, and where there is a timelimit for the tournament and time related techniques works.

What we saw in whis crystal ball show that the universe still remains. Whis was talking about the lives in a galaxy.

Also ss have their answers against Life and universe erasers

You literately said zeno has never erased a universe

Whis when looking in the crystal ball he clearly states there is nothing left. We already know 6 universe don't exist anymore that means every universe erased so far is gone Angels and their crystal balls are just able to see things as such.

Zeno can have as much DC as he wants. When he can't even keep track of FTL opponents and lacks feats of resisting the Knights' attacks that bypass conventional durability, there's nothing stopping him from getting blitzed pure and simple.

@elderelijah190:Bro, you are supposed to correct not stick up to what you said. I said and gave example that zeno can only erase people from existence. You dind't contradict me yet. You are highballing zeno too much, you don't make a difference between a hyperbole and a fact. What you are doing is called a Argumentum ad nauseum

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Fallacy

Argumentum ad nauseum, or argument from repetition.

This is when someone keeps making a claim over and over again, but either does not provide actual evidence, or provides evidence which is later debunked, but keeps making the claim. Eventually (or so he hopes), his opponent will get tired of arguing and he can declare victory.

Example:

Person A: "Goku has VAST senses! He would easily sense the Flash and beat him. Goku's senses are BEYOND those of the Flash."

Person B. "That is too vague, Goku has trouble sensing someone with normal human ki, even if we assume the Flash has ki (which is not necessarily true), then since he uses the Speedforce for his powers and not ki, his ki would not be any greater than that of a normal human. Goku cannot sense beings too far away in space if he does not recognize their ki, and even if he does he still cannot sense them if they are too far away (he had to get King Kai's help to locate the new planet Namek, even though he knew what a Namekian ki signature felt like). Furthermore, he often loses track of his opponents when they move around him, and these opponents usually have ki's as large or larger than his. There's no way he'd sense the Flash, who only has normal human - equivalent ki, and is moving way faster than any DBZ character, and even if he did, he wouldn't be able to react in time to stop him."

Person A: "You're chatting garbage! Goku has VAST senses! He can sense people light - years and dimensions away! He can easily sense the slow - ass Flash right in front of him!"

Person B: "I already explained this to you, he has trouble sensing people even with strong, familiar ki's if they are too far away, and the dimension thing isn't really quantifiable, especially considering it was harder for him to sense the Nameks in his own dimension than it was to sense King Kai in the afterlife. Furthermore, he loses track of his enemies when they are moving fast around him, and they have very large ki's. He would never sense someone moving at FTL speed with only average human ki."

Person A: "Stop chatting crap! Goku can sense anything anywhere. The Flash is alive, he has spirit! Goku has VAST senses, he would easily sense the Flash and beat him."

Person B: "You know what? I give up. I've already explained this to you a million times but you're just not listening."

Person A: "Ha! Concession accepted! I win!"

Here person B has refuted all of person A's arguments, but person A ignores the refutations and evidence and simply keeps stating his arguments over and over again.

Whis stated that everything went "bye-bye" but what do you see in his crystal ball? He was clearly talking about the people of universe 9 since the planets and galaxies are still there.

2-Then explain to me how did trunks return back to his universe without using the dragon balls to restore it? How?

3-When? Oh simple i will start with chronos. Being the god of time chronos can manipulate time itself and has spatial powers. Even his (weakened brother) is able to erase people from space and time, and yet, his power was sealed by chronos himself. But no, i won't play the "Association Fallacy" card. In saint seiya G Chronos was shown that he erase people that can regenerate from nothing. He can manipulate space, create spatial breaches, teleport his punches....Etc

And Hades can manipulate the space, in the hypermythe, the taizan, and the Gigantomachia book of saint seiya, there is a concept called "the big will" Who was introduced to explain the power of the gods, but it only made things even more confusion.. Every olympian god possess this ability. That make them change reality, concept and casuality and manipulate space and time. With the big will, nothing is impossible, they can do whatever they want. Hypnos, in the lost canvas is able to materialize everything he wishes, so he imagined a giant meteorite who was going to collide with earth and it did happen. He then Imagined Hakurei and Shion falling from a very high distance and it did happen. Nothing can challenge the big will except the 8th sense.

For more information about the big will, go there: http://saintseiya.wikia.com/wiki/Cosmo

Hades created several universe and one them possess infinite size. Just to tell you how strong the big will makes the gods.

4-What? Beerus never negated a universal attack+ That never happened. And shura's feat is not a miracle, he burned his cosmos to outspeed the big bang, he even said it himself.

What shura did is burning his cosmos

5-I know the context of this attack. Shaka used the agyô and Shijima used the ungyô and when their attacks collided it created and destroyed countless universes. When shaka release the agyô his power is equal to the energy who created the multiverse. And the ungyô itself is a universe buster.

So that's what happened, shaka created universes and shijima destroyed them.

And if you think that a gold saint can't create a universe. Shion himself said, in saint seiya g, that he can recreate the universe and shape it at his will.

6-Oh really? Ss wasn't prove to have a multiverse. You clearly don't know anything about saint seiya. Saint seiya Next dimension shall prove you wrong

7-I said "nevermind" let's just accept that zeno can erase universes. You're actually not reading what i wrote. I said that zeno erasing unvierses was just a hyperbole and "even if he did so" that feat is still not comparable to what shaka and shijima did.

Cutting my sentences to answer them one after another will make you do a lot of mistakes.

GG

@blackwizzard17:

Oh, so we are doing this? Using memes to try to make the other look ridiculous? Oh well

Let's do it.

You literately said zeno has never erased a universe

"Whis when looking in the crystal ball he clearly states there is nothing left."
It was a hyperbole dude, you can see that the planets still remains. Change the disk, this one is getting old
"We already know 6 universe don't exist anymore that means every universe erased so far is gone Angels and their crystal balls are just able to see things as such."
Same argument as before. We never saw the universe 6 being erased, just it's people
"You literately said zeno has never erased a universe"
And proved it