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Poll Beerus vs Gogeta Blue and Broly (42 votes)

Beerus stomps 2%
Beerus wins 12%
Team somehow pull off a win 86%
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Where is the either solo option?

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Broly was already hinted being stronger than Beerus.

Gogeta stomps him.

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#3  Edited By Kingxix

The team god stomps

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Gogeta stomps him all by himself.

Pretty there is a manga panel laying around somewhere that stated Beerus = Vegito from Goku Black Arc.

This is post TOP.

Beerus can't be that much stronger then the other Gods of Destructions that were already surpassed by Jiren.

Goku has already tanked Hakai before

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@zabuza777: I can 100% guarantee there is no manga panel saying Vegito is equal to Beerus. Nowhere even close.

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@wabubub: It was said that vegito has surpassed beerus by shin.

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@wabubub said:

@zabuza777: I can 100% guarantee there is no manga panel saying Vegito is equal to Beerus. Nowhere even close.

I've seen someone post it on comicvine before.

Either way you'd have to be an idiot to think Beerus could beat Post TOP Gogeta.

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OP obviously has a winner in mind.

Gogeta solos.

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"Team somehow pull off a win"

I can't even....

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Broly is not beating Beerus, but Gogeta can

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Logically, every major villain/opponent is going to be stronger (in some aspect or another) than the last. DB has always been like that.

Jiren was hakaishin level(+), broly is in that same league (god of destruction level). In DBH (yes, its different continuity/canon... point still remains), you have ppl like hearts [1], cumber [2], Mechikabura giving fusions characters, two ss4, ssb, some trouble.

Broly was already hinted being stronger than Beerus.

Gogeta stomps him.

Gogeta stomps him all by himself.

Pretty there is a manga panel laying around somewhere that stated Beerus = Vegito from Goku Black Arc.

This is post TOP.

Beerus can't be that much stronger then the other Gods of Destructions that were already surpassed by Jiren.

Goku has already tanked Hakai before

Statements by guidebooks and authors

"Broly is the strongest enemy Goku and co. have been up against up until this point. His destructive power also seems to be greater than a God of Destruction's"
- https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Broly_(DBS)#Power

"Broly is also noted to wield destructive power seemingly above the Gods of Destruction.[8] Goku described him as being perhaps even stronger than Beerus."

"As Gogeta in his Super Saiyan Blue form easily defeats Broly in his Legendary Super Saiyan state, who is noted to be apparently more powerful than Destroyers, he therefore possesses might that eclipses even the Gods of Destruction. He later overpowered Ultimate Godslayer Hearts - whose strength surpassed Jiren's."

- https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/God_of_Destruction#Mortals_who_surpass_the_Gods_of_Destruction

So it's official.

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"Team somehow pull off a win"

I'm speechless.......

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This is what happens when Beerustards go too far.....

Gogeta Solos negg diff WTF

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Gogeta slaps Beerus on his own

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Beerus bliztes both and hakais them.

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Beerus bliztes both and hakais them.

Goku already tanked Haki with lower stats.

Beerus gets stomped

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#19  Edited By WhirusuJX1278

@wushu59: You do understand that just because he tanked the Energy of Destruction, that does not mean he is immune to it.

You are aware that is a No Limits Fallacy.

Beerus would blitz them before they could even react. It does not matter if Gogeta and Broli are both stronger when forged. We've seen this already with Gohan and Freiza against Dyspo.

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#20  Edited By CyberBlades22

Either Gogeta or Broly solo Beerus

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#21  Edited By Wushu59

@whirusujx1278 said:

@wushu59: You do understand that just because he tanked the Energy of Destruction, that does not mean he is immune to it.

You are aware that is a No Limits Fallacy.

It isn't a No Limit's Fallacy because he already tanked it.

Your not making any sense

Assuming Haki can wipe out anything is a No Limits Fallacy.

You're trying to sound smart but you are making yourself look stupid.

Beerus would blitz them before they could even react.

Based on what?

What speed feats does Beerus to suggest he could speed blitz Gogeta & Broly?

What a joke.


It does not matter if Gogeta and Broli are both stronger when forged. We've seen this already with Gohan and Freiza against Dyspo.

Beerus isn't faster than them.

You are literally assuming he is with head canon.

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Oh god do people still think that beerus is the top dog?!!😂😂😂

In the msnga version of the black saga shin himself mentioned that vegito ssb had probably surpassed beerus. And here we are talking about an even stronger version of a fusion.

And broly is stronger than beerus. Multiple articles state that and even in the movie goku suggest that too. There are too many proofs at this point.

Only blind beerus fans believe that he is unbeatable.

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It’s implied that either can solo. Hearts even said Gogeta is as strong as Xeno.

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It isn't a No Limit's Fallacy because he already tanked it.

It is since what you are basically generalising is that since Goku has not shown a limit to resisting Energy of Destruction, henceforth he would resist Beerus's Energy of Destruction.

Your not making any sense.

Just because you don't understand what i am saying, that does not make what i say fallacious. It's only due to your personal incredulity.

Assuming Hakai can wipe out anything is a No Limits Fallacy.

Why are you strawmanning me?

You're trying to sound smart but you are making yourself look stupid.

Can you prove that?

Based on what?

What speed feats does Beerus to suggest he could speed blitz Gogeta & Broly?

What a joke.

He blitzed multiple G.O.D's with UI who were similar in power.

Beerus isn't faster than them.

I just proved that he is. Unless you can prove that Gogeta can blitz multiple G.O.D's.

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It is since what you are basically generalising is that since Goku has not shown a limit to resisting Energy of Destruction, henceforth he would resist Beerus's Energy of Destruction.

He already has.

It was literally Beerus's Hakai given to Frieza

Just because you don't understand what i am saying, that does not make what i say fallacious. It's only due to your personal incredulity.

No, you literally just don't make any sense.

And you sound stupid when you try to sound smart.



He blitzed multiple G.O.D's with UI who were similar in power.

He has never blitzed anyone with Ultra Instinct!!

What are you talking about???

He got one shot by Whis

Why are blatantly lying and making stuff up now?

LOL

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I personally think Beerus beats Broly. All that experience and hakai means that even if broly is a bit stronger I think beerus pulls out the wins. Gogeta on the other hand is very obviously above GOD level.

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He blitzed multiple G.O.D's with UI who were similar in power.

Uh.....yeah. That never happen.

These Beerus wankers are out of control.

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@co-boss said:

I personally think Beerus beats Broly. All that experience and hakai means that even if broly is a bit stronger I think beerus pulls out the wins. Gogeta on the other hand is very obviously above GOD level.

Explain why.

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It’s implied that either can solo. Hearts even said Gogeta is as strong as Xeno.

Why would you believe in Hearts? It's a hyberbole.

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#30  Edited By WhirusuJX1278

@wushu59 and @zabuza777

He already has.

It was literally Beerus's Hakai given to Frieza

No, it was Sidra's Energy of Destruction. He sent his assassins to eliminate them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJGEQA73WK8

He has never blitzed anyone with Ultra Instinct!!

What are you talking about???

He got one shot by Whis

Why are blatantly lying and making stuff up now?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=beerus+vs+the+gods+of+destruction&docid=608022323825346991&mid=E34D93C716A393A2FE46E34D93C716A393A2FE46&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

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Beerus has not shown his full power yet.

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Beerus has not shown his full power yet.

Yeah. He'd still blitz both though.

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#33  Edited By Co-Boss

@whirusujx1278: well DBS anime Beerus doesn’t exactly have a lot of feats. His best are still from battlegrounds of the gods. Broly seems pretty comparable to Jiren as they both can stomp Blue tier fighters rather easily (while I think jiren is definitely more powerful) and Limit breaker Jiren has shown more in power and flat feats than Beerus has. If we go by status, Jiren even gets likened to a mortal above GoDs. Even if LSSJ broly is just in the same tier as Jiren that still puts him comparable to Beerus. Gogeta once he goes blue clowns Broly and doesn’t get hit a single time. Broly honestly didn’t stand a chance. So, we have a person who is in the same tier as Beerus while being weaker and a person in a tier above Beerus, I don’t see how Beerus wins this.

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@co-boss said:

@whirusujx1278: well DBS anime Beerus doesn’t exactly have a lot of feats. His best are still from battlegrounds of the gods. Broly seems pretty comparable to Jiren as they both can stomp Blue tier fighters rather easily (while I think jiren is definitely more powerful) and Limit breaker Jiren has shown more in power and flat feats than Beerus has. If we go by status, Jiren even gets likened to a mortal above GoDs. Even if LSSJ broly is just in the same tier as Jiren that still puts him comparable to Beerus. Gogeta once he goes blue clowns Broly and doesn’t get hit a single time. Broly honestly didn’t stand a chance. So, we have a person who is in the same tier as Beerus while being weaker and a person in a tier above Beerus, I don’t see how Beerus wins this.

He blitzed other G.O.D's, that's a feat within itself. Even Base Jiren is above Broly. Gogeta was just blizting Broli and was able to outmanuever him, Broly was physically stronger. Beerus stomps both.

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#35  Edited By Wushu59

@whirusujx1278 said:
@co-boss said:

@whirusujx1278: well DBS anime Beerus doesn’t exactly have a lot of feats. His best are still from battlegrounds of the gods. Broly seems pretty comparable to Jiren as they both can stomp Blue tier fighters rather easily (while I think jiren is definitely more powerful) and Limit breaker Jiren has shown more in power and flat feats than Beerus has. If we go by status, Jiren even gets likened to a mortal above GoDs. Even if LSSJ broly is just in the same tier as Jiren that still puts him comparable to Beerus. Gogeta once he goes blue clowns Broly and doesn’t get hit a single time. Broly honestly didn’t stand a chance. So, we have a person who is in the same tier as Beerus while being weaker and a person in a tier above Beerus, I don’t see how Beerus wins this.

He blitzed other G.O.D's, that's a feat within itself. Even Base Jiren is above Broly. Gogeta was just blizting Broli and was able to outmanuever him, Broly was physically stronger. Beerus stomps both.

That doesn't mean Beerus > Gogeta & Broly

You are implying that the other Gods > Gogeta / Broly. Which is false.

Jiren surpassed that level of power in TOP already.

And Beerus didn't even blitz them. He outmaneuvered them. He was visibly bleeding toward the end .

And it wasn't even all of them vs him the entire time.

Free for all setting & some of them were fighting among each other.

Gogeta could just as easily clown Beerus the same way he clowned Broly.

What's your point?

Gogeta > Broly <=> Beerus

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#36  Edited By WhirusuJX1278

That doesn't mean Beerus > Gogeta & Broly

Where did i say this?

You are implying that the other Gods > Gogeta / Broly. Which is false.

They are around their strength, outnumber them, so yes. I've yet to see you prove the contrary.

Jiren surpassed that level of power in TOP already.

That does not matter since it is irrelevant to the discussion.

And Beerus didn't even blitz them. He outmaneuvered them. He was visibly bleeding toward the end.

He did both. He was simply too fast for them to react to as to why he blitzed them indivdually. It seems that you are misunderstanding the distinction between combat speed and reaction speed. He wasn't using UI at the point wasn't he?

And it wasn't even all of them vs him the entire time.

I didn't say this. Why are you misconstruing me?

Free for all setting & some of them were fighting among each other.

You are again diverting the discussion.

Gogeta could just as easily clown Beerus the same way he clowned Broly.

That has yet to be proven though.

Gogeta > Broly <=> Beerus

Your scale is meaningless. You need to prove it for it be valid.

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#39  Edited By GangOrca

@whirusujx1278:

And your reasoning for this is

He blitzed multiple G.O.D's with UI who were similar in power.

Even though many of those GoDs DON'T have Ultra Instinct, he was eventually caught by Mosco, and only Quintella and maybe Belmod are the only GoDs possessing power that are similar to Beerus... and Goku still thought after watching him fight that Broly was probably stronger.

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@whirusujx1278:

You contradict yourself so many times it's not even funny.

You say "when did I say this" one time

And then say Beerus blitzes the next.

There is nothing in the series that indicates Beerus is faster than either Gogeta or Broly

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@gangorca said:

@whirusujx1278:

And your reasoning for this is

He blitzed multiple G.O.D's with UI who were similar in power.

Even though many of those GoDs DON'T have Ultra Instinct, he was eventually caught by Mosco, and only Quintella and maybe Belmod are the only GoDs possessing power that are similar to Beerus... and Goku still thought after watching him fight that Broly was probably stronger.

No, they were similar to Beerus in power, since even Goku in the Cell Saga intially fought multiple clones of Cell who were just as strong as Cell himself, that was the main reason why he was pushed to tap into some portion of Sign. The manga and anime does have some different events., if you actually realised. Nothing proves that Goku knows how strong Beerus is.

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@whirusujx1278:

You contradict yourself so many times it's not even funny.

You say "when did I say this" one time

And then say Beerus blitzes the next.

There is nothing in the series that indicates Beerus is faster than either Gogeta or Broly

I don't see how i am contradicting myself when i am asking him to prove his assertion....

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#43  Edited By Wushu59

@whirusujx1278 said:

Where did i say this?

You literally said Beerus could beat Gogeta & Broly at the same time.

Why are changing tunes?

They are around their strength, outnumber them, so yes. I've yet to see you prove the contrary.

Based on what?

How would you gauge Gogeta or Broly in the same scenario?

You can't.

That does not matter since it is irrelevant to the discussion.

It is relevant because, Jiren > other Gods of Destruction

Goku stated Broly to be his strongest opponent

Therefore Broly > other Gods of Destruction as well

He did both. He was simply too fast for them to react to as to why he blitzed them indivdually. It seems that you are misunderstanding the distinction between combat speed and reaction speed. He wasn't using UI at the point wasn't he?

Then why was he bleeding out of his mouth?

You are again diverting the discussion.

No I'm not. You tried to make it seem like Beerus took down all of them by himself.

Gogeta could just as easily clown Beerus the same way he clowned Broly.

That has yet to be proven though.

Then leave it at that then.

Why are you saying Beerus blitzes if that is the case?

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#44  Edited By GangOrca

@whirusujx1278:

No, they were similar to Beerus in power,

Prove it, Quintella seemed to be the only one hyped in power and was one of the last one's standing alongside Beerus. Beerus also directly overpowers Mosco and Champa so they aren't all similar in power.

since even Goku in the Cell Saga intially fought multiple clones of Cell who were just as strong as Cell himself,

What does that have to do with this?

that was the main reason why he was pushed to tap into some portion of Sign.

Ok, but that doesn't mean he others were using UI.

The manga and anime does have some different events., if you actually realised.

The DBS movie is considered a follow up to both the anime and manga. Considering Goku doesn't use stuff like SSJB kaioken or Vegeta not using SSJBE but using SSJG, I'd argue it follows more closely to the manga.

Nothing proves that Goku knows how strong Beerus is.

It's not like Goku has spent years with him by now or watched him go all-out against other GoDs.

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You literally said Beerus could beat Gogeta & Broly at the same time.

But the reason i said that was because it wasn't strength oriented was it? You clearly do not know that Beerus being above Gogeta and Broly for instance does not necessarily mean he can defeat them.

Based on what?

Broly's capabilities were questioned when asked if they were greater than those of a God of Destruction.

How would you gauge Gogeta or Broly in the same scenario?

That's very vague. Be more specific.

It is relevant because, Jiren > other Gods of Destruction

That was his FP that was stated to have surpassed them. Regardless, my contention was not to prove that Beerus was stronger than either of them, it was to prove that he would blitz the both.

Goku stated Broly to be his strongest opponent

Can you prove that then.

Then why was he bleeding out of his mouth?

Did you read what i said in the paragraph? He didn't activate Ultra Instinct at that point of time.

No I'm not. You tried to make it seem like Beerus took down all of them by himself.

In any case, i didn't. It seems you are just strawmanning me.

Then leave it at that then.

No, you need to prove your claim or i can just dismiss it. Do you know what the hitchen's razor thesis is? Do you know what the burden of proof is?

Why are you saying Beerus blitzes if that is the case?

Because he has blitzed Gogeta and Broli level fighters.

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#46  Edited By WhirusuJX1278

Prove it, Quintella seemed to be the only one hyped in power and was one of the last one's standing alongside Beerus. Beerus also directly overpowers Mosco and Champa so they aren't all similar in power.

What do you think similar means? It was also stated that Beerus and Champa were.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608562566012076043/620811302524420097/CHAMPA.PNG

What does that have to do with this?

An instance of someone fighting someone else of similar power

Ok, but that doesn't mean he others were using UI.

I didn't say they did. Also, there is no reason to believe that they wield it in the first place.

The DBS movie is considered a follow up to both the anime and manga. Considering Goku doesn't use stuff like SSJB kaioken or Vegeta not using SSJBE but using SSJG, I'd argue it follows more closely to the manga.

It follows the anime version, though there was a manga reference. If you want the finest explanation, it was simply SSBE and SSBKKX20 not being eno

It's not like Goku has spent years with him by now or watched him go all-out against other GoDs.

Goku can't sense God Chi in the Manga. Beerus lies to Goku about his capabilities.

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@whirusujx1278:

What do you think similar means? It was also stated that Beerus and Champa were.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608562566012076043/62081130252442009

My point was that those GoDs aren't as fast as Broly and they are definitely not as fast as Gogeta. Champa is still below Beerus in power while Broly is not.

It follows the anime version,

Prove it. Just so you know, Beerus doesn't fight the other GoDs like he does in the Manga.

If you want the finest explanation, it was simply SSBE and SSBKKX20 not being enough

I severely doubt they wouldn't have tried it first.

Goku can't sense God Chi in the Manga. Beerus lies to Goku about his capabilities.

He wouldn't be able to sense Vegeta in blue form but that's not the case. Also, Beerus only lies in the BoG arc in the anime and Goku knows better now.

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My point was that those GoDs aren't as fast as Broly and they are definitely not as fast as Gogeta. Champa is still below Beerus in power while Broly is not.

This needs to be proven.

Prove it. Just so you know, Beerus doesn't fight the other GoDs like he does in the Manga.

I didn't claim that, did i?

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He wouldn't be able to sense Vegeta in blue form but that's not the case. Also, Beerus only lies in the BoG arc in the anime and Goku knows better now.

It's simple. In that instance Goku was more refined in detecting God ki at that particular point than he was the royale. No, he lies in the Champa Arc as well.

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@whirusujx1278: you’re mixing canons, Beerus never even fought any of the GoDs in the anime and manga Broly has 0 feats and from where I’ve read up to Gogeta hasn’t even appeared before so I’m assuming we’re not using manga versions. Even if it was both manga and anime, beerus only dodged those attacks from UI, which his is super imperfect and fails so assuming it wouldn’t fail in this fight doesn’t make sense. Vegeto was comparable to beerus all the way in the black arc in the manga and this is a Post-TOP fusion.

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Beerus bliztes both and hakais them.

Beerus gets the Broly Treatment from Gogeta blue