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Sosuke Aizen

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it's either Hakai GG or Kyoka suigetsu GG

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Is this thread real

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beerus takes it, I think you can break illusions with ui as you no longer use your mind to fight anymore

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Aizen has better hax and abilities, I'm not sure Hakai can even kill him. Beerus can be killed.

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Hakai can bypass immortality as seen with Zamasu.

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^^Hakai can't kill immortals

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#12  Edited By gelato_exotic

Hakai still works on immortals just fine, Beerus said he can't kill them (specifically the Super Shenron immortality) in the manga because they (Zamasu) can regenerate from it. Goku used Hakai on Zamasu on panel and erased most of him just fine even though Beerus said he wouldn't be able to destroy Zamasu, its evident he was referring to his regeneration (which Zamasu instantly regenerated from Hakai), not the fact that it doesn't actually work on immortals, which he never stated.

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Beerus due to hakai and ultra instinct.

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@gangorca said:

^^Hakai can't kill immortals

Zamasu's immortality and Aizen's aren't the same. Hakai can erase spirits from existence, so it should work on Aizen. It would be one thing if Aizen has shown resistance to complete existence erasure, but he hasn't.

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@alextheboss said:
@gangorca said:

^^Hakai can't kill immortals

Zamasu's immortality and Aizen's aren't the same. Hakai can erase spirits from existence, so it should work on Aizen. It would be one thing if Aizen has shown resistance to complete existence erasure, but he hasn't.

What about Ichigo's final Getsuga Tenshou?

I've heard its close to existence erasure

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@gangorca said:

^^Hakai can't kill immortals

Am not sure about that.

It basically worked on Zamasu and he needed Mai to save himself.

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#17  Edited By gelato_exotic

@universenumber1: He regenerated almost instantly afterwards, grabbing Mai was just out of fear he would have survived regardless. In a sense it worked, but he would've just came back, hence why Beerus was saying he can't destroy immortals (basically if you can regenerate from having your soul destroyed Hakai is rendered useless).

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#18  Edited By Eredin12

@gangorca: Only ones that are immortal by the wish of Grand Shenron, multi universal reality-warping entity, otherwise it can erase ghosts that are immortal, normal immortality is no problem

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@gelato_exotic said:

@universenumber1: He regenerated almost instantly afterwards, grabbing Mai was just out of fear he would have survived regardless. In a sense it worked, but he would've just came back, hence why Beerus was saying he can't destroy immortals (basically if you can regenerate from having your soul destroyed Hakai is rendered useless).

Does this mean it won't work on Aizen because Aizen can regenerate from his soul?

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@bgninjaq: I don't remember Aizen ever regenerating from his soul being erased to nothingness.

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@gelato_exotic:

Idk but I've heard Ichigo final Getsuga Tenshou have erased his soul or something like that, I'm not sure if its true or not

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#22  Edited By gelato_exotic

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@gelato_exotic:

Idk but I've heard Ichigo final Getsuga Tenshou have erased his soul or something like that, I'm not sure if its true or not

No? It never completely erased his soul like Hakai can do from what I remember reading.

Damaging the soul =/= completely erasing it

Damaging and attacking souls is something practically everyone in Bleach can do.

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@bgninjaq said:

@gelato_exotic:

So it's was another bleach wank?

I wouldn't call it wank rather just a misinterpretation/headcanon of what the final Getsuga Tenshou did, but yeah as far as I remember from reading the manga, nothing inherently stated or suggested his soul was erased his existence.

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Even w/o equal stats, its still KS gg.

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Beerus. There is nothing Azien can do to Beerus.

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#27  Edited By silentNightz

@alextheboss said:

@gangorca said:

^^Hakai can't kill immortals

Zamasu's immortality and Aizen's aren't the same. Hakai can erase spirits from existence, so it should work on Aizen. It would be one thing if Aizen has shown resistance to complete existence erasure, but he hasn't.

Hakai can kill immortals but it depends on the type of immortality.

Hakai can erase spirits but Aizen is no longer a spirit, he's a transcendent god. Aizen has survived existence erasure(Mugetsu, Sogyoku, Yhwach), Hogyoku will simply bring him back. If Aizen wishes to exist so he shall, his existence is actually above Beerus'. Someone like the Grand Priest or Zeno would probably have to erase him.

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If Aizen plays it smart, he could win.

@alextheboss said:

@gangorca said:

^^Hakai can't kill immortals

Zamasu's immortality and Aizen's aren't the same. Hakai can erase spirits from existence, so it should work on Aizen. It would be one thing if Aizen has shown resistance to complete existence erasure, but he hasn't.

Hakai can erase spirits but Aizen is no longer a spirit, he's a transcendent god. Aizen has survived existence erasure(Mugetsu, Sogyoku, Yhwach), Hogyoku will simply bring him back. If Aizen wishes to exist so he shall, his existence is actually above Beerus'. Someone like the Grand Priest or Zeno would have to erase him.

I never knew this.^

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@bgninjaq said:

it's either Hakai GG or Kyoka suigetsu GG

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#30  Edited By GangOrca

@silentnightz said:

@alextheboss said:

@gangorca said:

^^Hakai can't kill immortals

Zamasu's immortality and Aizen's aren't the same. Hakai can erase spirits from existence, so it should work on Aizen. It would be one thing if Aizen has shown resistance to complete existence erasure, but he hasn't.

Hakai can kill immortals but it depends on the type of immortality.

Hakai can erase spirits but Aizen is no longer a spirit, he's a transcendent god. Aizen has survived existence erasure(Mugetsu, Sogyoku, Yhwach), Hogyoku will simply bring him back. If Aizen wishes to exist so he shall, his existence is actually above Beerus'. Someone like the Grand Priest or Zeno would probably have to erase him.

This. Besides I was responding to a comment that was saying it bypasses/kills immortals and was using Zamasu as an example.

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@eredin12 said:

@gangorca: Only ones that are immortal by the wish of Grand Shenron, multi universal reality-warping entity, otherwise it can erase ghosts that are immortal, normal immortality is no problem

Aizen doesn't just have immortality like a ghost, you know that right?

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@gangorca: I mean ghost is completly immortal so i dont know which ones he has but if you mean he can heal that will not help him hakai erases you from existnace, both body and soul

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#34  Edited By Eredin12

And lmao what is that nonsense above about him being "transcendent god" he is not god, he is fodder, that is what he is, just like all HST charcters when compared to people on this level, surviving Ichigo erasing hax does not mean you can survive Hakai, something that erased Zamasu actual god (god in DB that is) who would solo stomp HST

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and warped infinite sized dimension, Hakai can even erase across time and space, is type 2 erasing hax, nothing in bleach compares

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@eredin12 said:

@gangorca: I mean ghost is completly immortal so i dont know which ones he has but if you mean he can heal that will not help him hakai erases you from existnace, both body and soul

That much is true. I also think anime Beerus is more hax than manga Beerus in that regard. I don't even think anime Beerus has that immortality restriction.

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@gangorca: In manga, it was also do to the specific context and not just any immortality

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#37  Edited By Raziel2014

aizen ability pool is much better and due to the hyogoku and equal stats beerus cant kill him, Hyogoku regenerate aizen from literally being erased from existence and having his soul destroyed by Muugetsu.

even when Goku or Co dies there soul is not damage at all.

Hakai was overpowered by Frieza and Goku and many others so while powerful is also based on Power tier between fighters.

Beerus erasing Zamasu out of existence is not a feat on hakai but a feat on how much stronger Beerus was when compare to Zamasu who could only match SSj2 Goku which is practically fodder.

if stats were not equal them obviously beerus stomp but this is not the case.

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@alextheboss said:

@gangorca said:

^^Hakai can't kill immortals

Zamasu's immortality and Aizen's aren't the same. Hakai can erase spirits from existence, so it should work on Aizen. It would be one thing if Aizen has shown resistance to complete existence erasure, but he hasn't.

Hakai can kill immortals but it depends on the type of immortality.

Hakai can erase spirits but Aizen is no longer a spirit, he's a transcendent god. Aizen has survived existence erasure(Mugetsu, Sogyoku, Yhwach), Hogyoku will simply bring him back. If Aizen wishes to exist so he shall, his existence is actually above Beerus'. Someone like the Grand Priest or Zeno would probably have to erase him.

This is nonsense and complete headcanon. Literally no truth to it.

Aizen being a 'trascendent' 'god' is literally the definition of hyperbole. He is just a very powerful soul reaper like any other transcendent in the series.

Mugetsu, Sogyoku are not existence erasure and neither is anything that Yhwach did to him.

I'd ask you to provide evidence, but as per you M.O. you won't present any actual evidence. Not that you could anyway.

OT: Beerus sees through KS with UI and erases him with Hakai.

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@eredin12 said:

Only ones that are immortal by the wish of Grand Shenron, multi universal reality-warping entity, otherwise it can erase ghosts that are immortal, normal immortality is no problem

Lol my favorite post on the thread. I wonder what the average time limit is on staying in the afterlife.

Ghost are inherently immortal, they don't age because time doesn't effect them. There's nothing 'normal' about immortality, there are several kinds of it.

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#40  Edited By CyberBlades22

Aizen should win in a equal stats fight. Aizen was confirmed unkillable by soul society through any means which should include Yama's existence erasure bankai, plus Aizen was destroyed completly by mugetsu on the physical and soul/ spiritual level and still managed to regen back due to hogyoukou having low godly regen/ immortality. Besides that Aizen has KS which I don't think Beerus in canon can counter, no counter to attacks that affect the soul, kido attacks, and possibly reactive evolution if he still has that and it still works. The only way Beerus wins is possibly via sealing but the sealing technique is never shown on screen so I don't know if it would work for sure and even then Aizen has resisted sealing before.

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This is nonsense and complete headcanon. Literally no truth to it.

Aizen is literally a transcendent being, and he is literally no longer a shinigami. Aizen literally survived Mugetsu, the Sogyoku, and Yhwach trying to eat him. The Hogyoku literally grants him immortality. Its literally all in a fiction piece of literature known as Bleach; its literally canon.You're literally downplaying facts and spouting nonsense.

Aizen being a 'trascendent' 'god' is literally the definition of hyperbole. He is just a very powerful soul reaper like any other transcendent in the series.

No, literally the definition of hyperbole is an exaggerated statement or claim not meant to be taken literally. As I mentioned above, Aizen is literally a transcendent god, not a shinigami.

Mugetsu, Sogyoku are not existence erasure and neither is anything that Yhwach did to him.

Mugetsu would literally erase any shinigami or human out of existence. The Sogyoku literally burns souls out of existence. Yhwach literally absorbed his existence into himself.

I'd ask you to provide evidence, but as per you M.O. you won't present any actual evidence. Not that you could anyway.

I will provide evidence though there's literally no intellectually logical reason for me to do so, it would be like repeating the same thing back to you twice. You can literally go read Bleach and learn these thing for yourself, only takes the will to educate yourself.

Of course, if you ask politely, I will gladly post scans that will prove how embarrassingly ignorant of Bleach you are, or what a downplaying, weak debater you've become. Its idiotic to basically challenge me to whether Bleach exists or not.

OT: Beerus sees through KS with UI and erases him with Hakai.

Ultra Instinct doesn't grant the ability to overcome illusions, certainly not Kanzen Saimen which has a specific set of rules and is otherwise perfect and unbreakable.I'll have to request scans of Ultra Instinct negating illusions and statements validating its authenticity as an alternative to touching Kyoka Suigetsu's blade. Of course you'll be happy to oblige lest you be shown a hypocrite, among other things.

Beerus' Hakai can't kill Aizen since he's got the Hogyoku and is a transcendent god who's existence outclasses Beerus'. Need a Zeno-sama.

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Beerus due to hakai and ultra instinct.

Beerus has mastered ultra instinct?

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Beerus might win. Hakai can't kill immortals based on manga and implied in anime. But he can nullify energy so if reiatsu is energy it can be nullified thus making it a physical battle and since Beerus does have UI but not mastered he could win. And if not he can seal Aizen like he did Old Kai. And not sure illusions works on hakaishin if so then Aizen wins.

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@bgninjaq said:
@gelato_exotic said:

@universenumber1: He regenerated almost instantly afterwards, grabbing Mai was just out of fear he would have survived regardless. In a sense it worked, but he would've just came back, hence why Beerus was saying he can't destroy immortals (basically if you can regenerate from having your soul destroyed Hakai is rendered useless).

Does this mean it won't work on Aizen because Aizen can regenerate from his soul?

Precisely. Aizen can regenerate from that sort of thing.

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@bgninjaq: the Hakai destroys everything they can’t even go to the afterlife.

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Beerus will show Aizen who the real God is. :)

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literally Hakai'ed in less than a second.

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Beerus will show Aizen who the real God is. :)

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@mevbi said:
@alextheboss said:

Beerus due to hakai and ultra instinct.

Beerus has mastered ultra instinct?

You don't have to master ultra instinct to use it...

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Kyoka Suigetsu GG