(BC vs FT/BNNG) Lucius Zogratis vs FH Zeref, Acnologia, Daemon, Eida & Kawaki

Lucius Zogratis vs FH Zeref, Acnologia, Daemon, Eida & Kawaki

Conditons:

• The Combatants are at Peak Conditon.
• Each Character & Group get Anime/Manga feats & scaling.
• Zeref is imparted Mavis' Knowledge in Using Fairy Heart.
• Standard Equipment for the Characters.
• Random Encounter.
• Win by KO/Death.
• Morals-Off.
• Combatants start by 40 meters away from Each other.

Battle Location: Alvarez Empire

Any one of the team solo, mismatch

Any one of the Team solos him.

For those uninformed, he has Clones, here's my source.

He becomes a simp before attacking anyone here

If Lucius' clones really are as powerful as he is, he swipes the team with Zeref being the only real threat

Anyone from team solos

Lucius has 0 win cons against Acnologia.

@dimitri1220: He can possibly punch him to death. Just like he was trying against Asta.

The siblings are enough

@ultimatesage: Naah, Lucius can see entire timelines. He stopping time the moment the fight starts and paladins them up.

@ones_and_twos: Let us bring happiness to the world!

@ones_and_twos: the siblings' abilities are passive

He stomps here. He solos FT, And from what I've seen, beats Eida and Daemon.

Zeref isn't a factor, he lacks speed, and any general way to beat him. And Acnologia isn't completely magic resistant, and if he was, it wouldn't matter, due to having similar AP and Lucius being much faster.

SiMiLaR aP

the 2 or 3 BC fans on CV are still denial enough to think that

@ones_and_twos: He has nowhere near the strength needed to punch Acnologia to death. The fact that this is a random encounter wouldn’t help either since he’d attack Acnologia with magic, who would then eat it and power up immensely, improving his stats.

Lucius solos both verses at once.

@cosmicemperor: How's Lucius dealing with Acnologia's magic resistance?

The keyword is resistance, not complete immunity. Lucius has extremely potent hax that has layers to its usage which will inevitably work considering Acnologia isn't even LS and Lucius is MFTL quite easily. Worst case scenario is that Acno just tires himself out and dies eventually.

Acno solos. Zeref solos.

@jdogg: How does Zeref solo?

@cosmicemperor: There's nothing to suggest that Lucius' hax is potent enough to bypass Acnologia's resistance. Bro ate a concept of nothingness that was a result of rift of space and time distortions and then gained that power. Acnologia far above LS, even doll Loke has casual LS speeds lmao. I do agree, however, that Lucius is faster, though speed is irrelevant when not only do you have no way to hurt your enemy, your methods of attacking actually empower him. Acnologia's not dying of exhaustion or old age. Dude's stamina is crazy high and will only increase any time Lucius attacks him. And then there's also the fact that he's immortal.

@cosmicemperor: Zeref's magic power is infinite. Lucius isn't. Zeref has more control and more AoE with his time manipulation than Julius has and in FT, a better time manipulator can force a lesser time manipulator out of timestop. Then there's also his death magic, time reversal, and time jump abilities. Along with his enchantment hax.

@dimitri1220: Why not? There are beings in BC that have neutralized magic out of existence and magic doesn't work on them before and they didn't stand a chance against Lucius. I'm not sure why eating the RoT is being brought up either, Lucius uses time magic that is more advanced than anything in FT. Not to mention Lucifero's power can overpower the concept of fate (literally) and Lucius absorbed that power.

A lot of what Lucius can do isn't magic based btw, it's his mana that would just corrupt Acnologia. Acno has no answer for that either.

Also, your speed meta is trash. FT doesn't come close to LS.

Wtf? Zeref's power isn't infinite, his magic container is limitless (hyperbole to anyone with two functioning eyes but whatever). What can Zeref do that Lucius can't when it comes to time-manipulation? All Zeref ever did was reverse time a few seconds, Lucius has done that and more + all of Julius' showings automatically attribute to Lucius lol.

How is Zeref dealing with:

• MFTL speed which Lucius can accelerate.
• Power nullification
• Being turned into a paladin
• Mana zone
• Having his attacks be rendered useless by Lucius reversing them out of time
• Etc

Like bruh.

@cosmicemperor: Are you talking about Julius being able to affect devils with his magic? Because if so, his time magic comes from a devil, so he's therefore able to damage other devils. It's not because he was able to bypass a resistance of theirs because they have no notable resistance to arcane/spirit/devil magic in the first place. Lucius' time magic is more advanced than anything in FT??? I don't think you realize how op FT time-magic can get. Show me the last time Lucius could travel as far back as he wanted in time, erase timelines, and then create his own. This can be done with FH Zeref (who's also in this battle and can also beat Lucius) combined with the Space Between Time that Acnologia ate, who then gained that power. Lucifero has no good feats with his fate manipulation, if you wanna bring up statements then I can easily bring statements of Zeref being a "god above time." There might be one where he says he's also above space, though I might be remembering wrong.

What notable feats does Lucius have with Mana? It's the source of magic, how would it be any different?

@cosmicemperor:

Also, your speed meta is trash. FT doesn't come close to LS.

Okay...you say that as if you countered it in the CaV that you withdrew from, which you failed to do so in every way. You couldn't even come up with a proper way to scale Doffy's speed, not to mention your scaling made no sense from the very beginning in the preliminaries.

If you can't dispute my points just say that.

@dimitri1220: Because you responded 4 months later lmao. I tried CaV'ing you multiple times and you kept running and when we did do it, you disappeared. You also ghosted the CaV with @AnimeFreak1 lol.

Your metas are garbage. If you wanna run it again, we can do it so long as you actually follow through.

I'll do Akainu against any OP character that's not Zeref.

Their wank is strong indeed.(and it's always the same few people) BC doesnt have anything above country-continental and they're expected to handle FT and Naruto top tiers 😭

Is circle jerking supposed to make you correct?

@cosmicemperor: Magic power being infinite means it's limitless. You act like I stated he had infinite power lol. It's not a hyperbole since was scientifically explained as such and given an example (aka Etherion never powering down). So yeah, he has infinite magic power.

Reverse time without restrictions. Stop time across the world. Jump freely through any point in time.

Power nullification already proven to not work on FH or his curse.

Zeref has matter manipulation on a similar level to Irene and can manipulate his own soul.

What is Mana Zone gonna do?

He can't reverse death, space or time out of existence. Secondly time stop negates Julius being able to use time attacks.

What's stopping Zeref from dropping Julius into RoT? Or throwing his space time attacks at him? Or just using his death magic to kill him? Or the massive gap in AP between them?

@cosmicemperor:

Because you responded 4 months later lmao. I tried CaV'ing you multiple times and you kept running and when we did do it, you disappeared.

I specified in my first post that I was busy with real life so my second post would take a while, and then once summer break started I did the second post. There was no mysterious disappearance lmao, this is something I told everyone who read the last sentence of my first post. I'll have far more free time this summer if you wanna continue the CaV, though by your logic you'd "run" since irl stuff and simply not being interested in the other CaVs you presented counts as "running away" to you.

You also ghosted the CaV with @AnimeFreak1 lol.

I lost interest when I realized the low effort he put into it, which he even stated in both of his posts. There's also the fact that he straight up said that if I did my third and final post, he wouldn't reply to it since he's "not in the mood," so why should I waste my time? I waited a long time and finally asked him recently if he'd be down to finish the CaV, and he ghosted me contrary to your claim. If you're gonna try and call me out for something, at least get it right.

Your metas are garbage.

You have yet to disprove any of them, including the one in this thread which you ironically didn't respond to.

If you wanna run it again, we can do it so long as you actually follow through.

I'll do Akainu against any OP character that's not Zeref.

I'll have far more free time this summer if you wanna continue the CaV that we started, though by your logic you'd "run" since irl stuff and simply not being interested in the other CaVs you presented counts as "running away" to you.

@jdogg:Fairy Heart is stupidly op. In one of the games that came out for the Alvarez arc, we got to see a what-if version of Fairy Heart based on the exact same moments of the story, with the only change being if Mavis actually decided to fight Zeref instead of choosing talk-no-jutsu. So it's canon to FH's strength, but without the trash writing with insane levels of PIS (though it still had some lol). She could send her thought projections (which have the same strength as her) to any time period and location and have them fight off Zeref's entire army including the Spriggan 12.

Then there's the most op part which includes her attacking with "an infinite amount of time" in order to bypass Zeref's immortality.

Like bruh...the PIS in the Alvarez arc was batshit high considering Zeref has lived so much longer than Mavis + mastered all other time magic, yet didn't do what Mavis did. He even no diffed Natsu with sleep magic while extracting the strongest magic in existence from Mavis, but there's still so much Zeref downplay. Here's the link for the what-if scenario.

@dimitri1220:

.Here'sthe link for the what-if scenario.

Gotta use this for stipulations sometime, lol.

@lichgod3: Dispute what?You just used a term you like for no reasons at all.Your friend last time failed Hardcore.His argument was "trust me Bro"

Zeref and Acno solo

*sigh* Adding numbers only makes this worse. It goes like this;

Kicking things off. Time stop + clones

Zeref and Acno might resist that but Daemon and Eida gets yeeted.

The clones distract Zeref and Acno while he turns Daemon and Eida to his paladins, Daemon kicks Acno's head off and Zeref although immortal would get gang banged

by everyone and have his magic absorbed by Lucius.

This doesn't mean anything to me. And you still haven't responded to my argument. Is this some form of concession?

Zeref can give time resistance to the team. Ultear did this to counter DiMaria's timestop on Wendy and Sherria.

This. And the clone argument is funny because if they're made out of magic, then Acno eats them and gains all of Julius' abilities.

@dimitri1220: Yeah, they don't sound to knowledgeable on FT with these arguments. Zeref can also use separation enchantment to take all of his magic power like Irene did against Nebal too. Team has too many wincons thanks to Zeref and Acno.

Go ahead lol, FH's busted even when Zeref used it in dumbass ways. It's true potential as we see in the video is fucking insane. I'd love to see the arguments against it.

@jdogg: Facts, we already saw Zeref do something in 1 second that dragon Irene (who shits on human Irene in every aspect, including enchantments) couldn't do for 300 years. Zeref too can create clones of himself if he so desires.

Zeref can give his teammates resistance to timestop. And yes, Zeref and Acno already resist it.

Any clones made out of magic get eaten by Acnologia and he in turn gains all of Lucius' powers and abilities. Zeref can also create clones of himself with his thought projections.

What feats does Daemon have that let's him kick off Acno's head?

Zeref has resistance to magic absorption.

Everybody on the team solos.

Team lol