Bazz B(Bleach) vs Akainu(One Piece)

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•Current Akainu

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•Win By Any Means

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Akainu stomps.

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Bazz B was a wasted character so I guess Akainu

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@gilateen: awwww, lol narutard fanboy troll still feeling salty and trying to start a flame war cuz he's naught but a little biatch? Okay, I'll help you out troll.

OT: Bazz B wins.

That's what you wanted me to out right? Are you a happy widdle biatch troll now?

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Akainu is more impressive lava/fire wise, plus he has haki, so he wins low difficulty imo. I think people are underestimating Bazz B a bit though, he has some pretty good heat feats, so I wouldn't say Akainu outright stomps.

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Akainu wins.

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#9  Edited By Raziel2014

bazz-b should stomp, he is comparable to Post Royal realm Renji, not only that he survive Yamamoto Shikai which literally vaporized a Captain level Sternritters previously.

even with massive low ball Masculine in Base is at least Mountain level for being comparable and superior to Bankai Kensei, adding in his power up of of 10x with his ultimate fist stated by him and his volstandig which is another 10x boost easily puts masculine at island tier+ and renji killed this dude in several secs which was literally a stomp. Renji needed Bankai to blockk bazz-b Volstandig and was actually surprise by him.

bazz-b also stomped toshiro with only 2 fingers worth of his power/flames, not only did he beat him but enough of a gap that he broke his zanpakuto and almost split him in half.

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#10  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

Bazz has this his flames are comparable to Yammas shikai which is enough to take Akainu down and he also fought both RG Renji and Rukia to to what was seemingly a stand still even after he got injured and robbed of his Vollstandig by Yhwach.

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Akainu pimp slaps.

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@leothegreatest:

Why exactly is fighting Renji and Rukia impresssive now? Also, what feats does Shikai Yama have that put him above Akainu?

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#14  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@kingguinness:

Both should be trancedants and Rukia has Absolute Zero. And just a portion of Ruijin Jaka’s flames were going to destroy Karakura and the sorrounding land, keep in mind Katakura is sorrounded by mountain ranges

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Could go either way. Bazz has feats of offsetting Yama G’s shikai flames. Akainu has more feats however. Akainu for the slight majority.

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Akainu.

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Akainu wins.

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@leothegreatest:

Both should be trancedants and Rukia has Absolute Zero.

"Should" isn't the choice of words you should use when trying to convince someone of something. There's no evidence Rukia and Renji are transcendents and their feats are garbage in comparison to Akainu.

Did Bazz-B counter Rukia when she was using Absolute Zero? No? Then it's irrelevant.

And just a portion of Ruijin Jaka’s flames were going to destroy Karakura and the sorrounding land, keep in mind Katakura is sorrounded by mountain ranges

It wasn't just a "portion" of Ryujin Jakka's flames, it was the entirety of Yama's Ennetsu Jigoku technique. It's not that impressive anyway. According to the official Viz translation, the destruction of Yama's flames were limited to strictly razing Karakura Town:

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It's more impressive since he's reducing it to ashes, but it still isn't anything past city level, which Akainu dwarfs.

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@leothegreatest: Ignore him, he thinks Sabo's flames are above Yama's aswell.

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Here is the problem we have to take akainu intangibility out then bazz-b would kick his ass easily akainu is never tagging bazz no matter how you wank him.

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#21  Edited By LeoTheGreatest
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@leothegreatest:

"Should" isn't the choice of words you should use when trying to convince someone of something. There's no evidence Rukia and Renji are transcendents and their feats are garbage in comparison to Akainu.

Both of them trained with the most power full shinigami in the series and could sense Ichigo's transcendent Reiatsu. So yes they "should" be transcendents. And are garbage

Did Bazz-B counter Rukia when she was using Absolute Zero? No? Then it's irrelevant.

You asked what's impressive about fighting Rukia and i told you lmao there's a good chance she did use it don't see why she wouldn't. "Then it's irrelevant" Someone sounds salty.

It wasn't just a "portion" of Ryujin Jakka's flames, it was the entirety of Yama's Ennetsu Jigoku technique. It's not that impressive anyway. According to the official Viz translation, the destruction of Yama's flames were limited to strictly razing Karakura Town:

It's more impressive since he's reducing it to ashes, but it still isn't anything past city level, which Akainu dwarfs.

That's the only translation that says that the majority say that an area many times the size of karakura or an area "extensively larger" than karakura would've been reduced to ash.

Ennetsu Jigoku was just a portion of his shikai, that wasn't the complete output of his Shikai. And Shikai Yamma is also stronger than all the Espada combined putting him way above Akainu in scaling as well.

Also according to akianu himself logias follow a hierarchy of temperature which is why he was able to easily dominate Ace's fire. Bazz B's flames are easily greater than Akianu's magma.

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@leothegreatest:

Both of them trained with the most power full shinigami in the series and could sense Ichigo's transcendent Reiatsu. So yes they "should" be transcendents. And are garbage

Who they trained with doesn't matter. The gap in strength between transcendents (Monster Aizen, Dangai Ichigo) and regular Shinigami is tremendous. Training with powerful Shinigami doesn't justify the power creep, especially when there's no evidence for it in the first place.

Everyone could sense Ichigo's reiatsu. Shunsui, who as far as we know never went through any sort of training to increase his strength since Pre-Timeskip, could sense Ichigo's reiatsu. Yoruichi could also sense Ichigo's reiatsu, as well as a majority of the other Captains. Are you now going to tell me that every Captain (And basically every other relevant character) also became transcedent beings? Even Soi-Fon and Sajin?? You don't believe that.

You asked what's impressive about fighting Rukia and i told you lmao there's a good chance she did use it don't see why she wouldn't. "Then it's irrelevant" Someone sounds salty.

It's only impressive if she actually used it against Bazz-B, which we don't know. The context and how long the fight lasted is completely unknown.

Akainu fought Aokiji for 10 days straight, and won. That's a far better feat than fighting Rukia.

That's the only translation that says that the majority say that an area many times the size of karakura or an area "extensively larger" than karakura would've been reduced to ash.

It's the official Viz translation and it's on both Mangasee and Manga Rock, so I'm inclined to believe it over most other translations.

Even if i were to give you the benefit of the doubt and use the translation that you can use to highball Yamamoto the most, it's still only city level+ at best.

Ennetsu Jigoku was just a portion of his shikai, that wasn't the complete output of his Shikai. And Shikai Yamma is also stronger than all the Espada combined putting him way above Akainu in scaling as well.

Yes it was. Ennetsu Jigoku was Yamamoto's most powerful technique and it required several chapters worth of prep just to create, and he was confident it would kill both himself and Aizen.

I agree that Shikai Yamamoto is stronger than all of the Espada, but it kinda doesn't matter her. 90% of the Espada had garbage feats and the only one who was actually impressive was R2 Ulquiorra, and his best attack was city level. Please don't start with that island level+ bullshit, because i know that's where you're going to go.

Also according to akianu himself logias follow a hierarchy of temperature which is why he was able to easily dominate Ace's fire. Bazz B's flames are easily greater than Akianu's magma.

That's never been stated.

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Lol, man I live Bleach threads now.

OT: Akainu stomps

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Who they trained with doesn't matter. The gap in strength between transcendents (Monster Aizen, Dangai Ichigo) and regular Shinigami is tremendous. Training with powerful Shinigami doesn't justify the power creep, especially when there's no evidence for it in the first place.

Did you forget about Byakuya lmao? After his Royal Gaurd training he outperformed Kenpachi against Gerard same Kenpachi that's a transcendent in base. Oh and Toshiro outperformed Kenpachi too and all he did was unlock his Bankai's true potential.

Everyone could sense Ichigo's reiatsu. Shunsui, who as far as we know never went through any sort of training to increase his strength since Pre-Timeskip, could sense Ichigo's reiatsu. Yoruichi could also sense Ichigo's reiatsu, as well as a majority of the other Captains. Are you now going to tell me that every Captain (And basically every other relevant character) also became transcedent beings? Even Soi-Fon and Sajin?? You don't believe that.

Ichigo wasn't operating at transcendent levels in any of those instances the only time he operated at transcendent levels was against Yhwach.

It's only impressive if she actually used it against Bazz-B, which we don't know. The context and how long the fight lasted is completely unknown.

Again you asked what's impressive and i explained it and I don't see why she wouldn't have use it.

Akainu fought Aokiji for 10 days straight, and won. That's a far better feat than fighting Rukia.

Considering she's a transcendent with absolute Zero it really isn't a better feat.

It's the official Viz translation and it's on both Mangasee and Manga Rock, so I'm inclined to believe it over most other translations.

Even if i were to give you the benefit of the doubt and use the translation that you can use to highball Yamamoto the most, it's still only city level+ at best.

The anime also supported the other translations and Ennetsu Jigoku was already going to destroy FKT it would make no sense for Yamma to suppress the explosion if it was only going to level FKT if he was already going to do that.

And lmao reducing a city to ash is far above any feat Akianu's magma has. Terra-forming punk hazard isn't a heat feat.

Yes it was. Ennetsu Jigoku was Yamamoto's most powerful technique and it required several chapters worth of prep just to create, and he was confident it would kill both himself and Aizen.

It was never said to be his most powerful technique and he didn't add enough power to it to do said things yet so again Wonderweis only got a portion of his flames.

I agree that Shikai Yamamoto is stronger than all of the Espada, but it kinda doesn't matter her. 90% of the Espada had garbage feats and the only one who was actually impressive was R2 Ulquiorra, and his best attack was city level. Please don't start with that island level+ bullshit, because i know that's where you're going to go.

Calling Las Noches city level is bullshit.

That's never been stated.

Yes it was.

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So by feats and scaling Bazz B bodies.

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@kingguinness: it wasn't just "training with powerful shinigami"

Bathing in Krinji spring doubles their power
Bathing in Krinji spring doubles their power
here Hikifune's food again increases their power
here Hikifune's food again increases their power

and Rukia said the atmosphere was very heavy with reishi and it was harder for them to breath during training.

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#27  Edited By KingGuinness

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Did you forget about Byakuya lmao? After his Royal Gaurd training he outperformed Kenpachi against Gerard same Kenpachi that's a transcendent in base. Oh and Toshiro outperformed Kenpachi too and all he did was unlock his Bankai's true potential.

What's Byakuya got to do with this? We're talking about Renji and Rukia here. Byakuya's been a prodigy ever since he was a boy and he's received far better portrayal and feats in comparison to Rukia and Renji ever since he was introduced in the story.

Kenpachi wasn't transcendent and Byakuya never "outperformed" him. He got one shotted the moment Gerard turned big and the best thing Byakuya did was block a couple of his hits. Kenpachi clashed with Gerard and tanked multiple strikes from, absolutely mauling him in Bankai. That's better than anything Byakuya did against Gerard.

Adult Toshiro abilities were far more hax than Kenpachi's, so it stands to reason why he appeared superior. However, that superiority only lasted for a brief instance, as Gerard broke out of his ice and started overpowering them again.

Ichigo wasn't operating at transcendent levels in any of those instances the only time he operated at transcendent levels was against Yhwach.

So what, Ichigo can turn his transcendent power on and off now? Come on bro. Even Condom Aizen's reiatsu was completely imperceptible to Kisuke, Yoruichi and Isshin (Characters who are still high/top tiers by the end of the series), whereas EVERYBODY could sense True Shikai Ichigo. That shows clear inconsistency when it comes to transcendent beings.

Again you asked what's impressive and i explained it and I don't see why she wouldn't have use it.

No you didn't. All you said was "absolute zero", but that doesn't matter unless you can actually prove she used it against him.

Also, wasn't Bazz-B without his Schrift at that point? If so, what's the point in even bringing the feat up? It doesn't involve his heat, which is what we are arguing.

Considering she's a transcendent with absolute Zero it really isn't a better feat.

Show me a feat from Rukia that's better than flash freezing a multi-island sized stretch of water. I'll wait.

The anime also supported the other translations and Ennetsu Jigoku was already going to destroy FKT it would make no sense for Yamma to suppress the explosion if it was only going to level FKT if he was already going to do that.

The anime is filler and has nothing to do with he source material, which is the manga. And in the manga, the explosion (According to the Viz translation) was town razing. That's it. Incredibly unimpressive by top tier HST characters standards.

And lmao reducing a city to ash is far above any feat Akianu's magma has. Terra-forming punk hazard isn't a heat feat.

Not really. Akainu's magma fists matched Whitebeard's quakes and he defeated Aokiji, who has feats such as freezing air, flash freezing multi-island sized stretches of water and flash freezing tsunamis. That's >>>>>>> town/city busting.

It was never said to be his most powerful technique and he didn't add enough power to it to do said things yet so again Wonderweis only got a portion of his flames.

It wasn't explicitly stated, but it can be implied by the fact that Yamamoto decided the prep for it against Aizen and while his subordinates were getting slaughtered right in front of him. It's painfully obvious that it was Shikai Yama's most powerful technique.

Calling Las Noches city level is bullshit.

Ignoring panels is also bullshit.

Yes it was.

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Okay, so? None of that proves that Akainu overpowered Ace because he had a higher temperature. If it was a temperature based thing, then Akainu would have slaughtered Aokiji the minute they fought, but that's clearly not what happened. Akainu's powers were just flat out elementally superior to Ace's, as lava is a liquid whereas fire is a gas which can be smothered and doused.

So by feats and scaling Bazz B bodies.

What feats? Creating city block sized explosions? Lol, even Ace has better feats than that.

By legitimate feats and scaling, Akainu slaughters.

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#28  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

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What's Byakuya got to do with this? We're talking about Renji and Rukia here. Byakuya's been a prodigy ever since he was a boy and he's received far better portrayal and feats in comparison to Rukia and Renji ever since he was introduced in the story.

Stop trying to make excuses. Byakuya went from top tier Epada level to transcendent level with RG training meaning it's not far fetched to say both Rukia and Renji did aswell.

Kenpachi wasn't transcendent and Byakuya never "outperformed" him. He got one shotted the moment Gerard turned big and the best thing Byakuya did was block a couple of his hits. Kenpachi clashed with Gerard and tanked multiple strikes from, absolutely mauling him in Bankai. That's better than anything Byakuya did against Gerard.

Kenpachi is in fact a transcendent in base.

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Byakuya was caught off guard by his major creep in power which is understandable since Byakuya fodderized him only a few moments prior.

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After that he came back and managed to stop his assaults,

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obliterated his head while he was in Vollstandig,

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And then while casually having a conversation stopped a direct assault from Gerards strongest form.

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It's clear he outperformed Kenny.

Adult Toshiro abilities were far more hax than Kenpachi's, so it stands to reason why he appeared superior. However, that superiority only lasted for a brief instance, as Gerard broke out of his ice and started overpowering them again.

All out shikai Kenny only managed to nick V1 Miracle Gerard's blade then later kill him in bankai..

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Adult Toshiro was easily evading and intercepting all of Vollstandig Gerads attacks.

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Then casually sliced Vollstandig Gerard's blade in half.

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And in the Byakuya scans you can see he overpowered no one just got destroyed and frozen again.

So what, Ichigo can turn his transcendent power on and off now? Come on bro. Even Condom Aizen's reiatsu was completely imperceptible to Kisuke, Yoruichi and Isshin (Characters who are still high/top tiers by the end of the series), whereas EVERYBODY could sense True Shikai Ichigo. That shows clear inconsistency when it comes to transcendent beings.

You can power up and power down in bleach.. like Kenpachi did before fighting Gremmy. That was the only reason why the other shinigami sensed his Reiatsu.

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No you didn't. All you said was "absolute zero", but that doesn't matter unless you can actually prove she used it against him.

You asked whats impressive about going up against Rukia and i explained why part 3. I don't see why she wouldn't use it anyways.

Also, wasn't Bazz-B without his Schrift at that point? If so, what's the point in even bringing the feat up? It doesn't involve his heat, which is what we are arguing.

Bazz B never lost his shrift.. he lost his Vollstandig. And was still fighting on par with them.

Show me a feat from Rukia that's better than flash freezing a multi-island sized stretch of water. I'll wait.

Absolute Zero....

The anime is filler and has nothing to do with he source material, which is the manga. And in the manga, the explosion (According to the Viz translation) was town razing. That's it. Incredibly unimpressive by top tier HST characters standards.

Which is also translated by Viz.. and nice try you're not just going to ignore this point

"Ennetsu Jigoku was already going to destroy FKT it would make no sense for Yamma to suppress the explosion if it was only going to level FKT if he was already going to do that."

Wonderwies was obviosuly going to take out more that FKT for Yamma to worry.

Not really. Akainu's magma fists matched Whitebeard's quakes and he defeated Aokiji, who has feats such as freezing air, flash freezing multi-island sized stretches of water and flash freezing tsunamis. That's >>>>>>> town/city busting.

None of this explains how his heat is above Yamma's and Yamma's Ryujin Jakka is on par with Base Aizen who was stronger than all the espada combined so again he's also above in raw power.

It wasn't explicitly stated, but it can be implied by the fact that Yamamoto decided the prep for it against Aizen and while his subordinates were getting slaughtered right in front of him. It's painfully obvious that it was Shikai Yama's most powerful technique.

Implied yeah but it's not a fact and like i said before the flames didn't get to their peak before wonderwies absorbed them.

Ignoring panels is also bullshit.

Huh? This thread goes into detail on why it's at the very least Island+ with 30+ scans.

Okay, so? None of that proves that Akainu overpowered Ace because he had a higher temperature. If it was a temperature based thing, then Akainu would have slaughtered Aokiji the minute they fought, but that's clearly not what happened. Akainu's powers were just flat out elementally superior to Ace's, as lava is a liquid whereas fire is a gas which can be smothered and doused.

It proves that fire/heat type logias as i specifically stated adhere to a temperature hierarchy so Bazz B would overpower him even easier due to having much hotter flames.

What feats? Creating city block sized explosions? Lol, even Ace has better feats than that.

Explosions more potent than either Ace or Akainu can produce.

By legitimate feats and scaling, Bazz B slaughters.

I agree.

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Akainu stomps.

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@leothegreatest:

Stop trying to make excuses. Byakuya went from top tier Epada level to transcendent level with RG training meaning it's not far fetched to say both Rukia and Renji did aswell.

How am i making excuses? You're making false equivalencies. Renji and Rukia are not Byakuya and they've never been on Byakuya's level. It'd be the same as arguing that just because Luffy went from being fodder to Yonko Commander level in 2 years, Nami or Usopp can. Your scaling falls flat on it's face.

Kenpachi is in fact a transcendent in base.

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Posting out of context scans doesn't help your argument.

They are literally able to sense his reiatsu. Your fan-fic about Kenpachi being a transcendent in base is debunked.

Byakuya was caught off guard by his major creep in power which is understandable since Byakuya fodderized him only a few moments prior.

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He fodderized base Gerard, prior to him regenerating from their attacks and becoming stronger. Immediately upon regenerating, Gerard one shotted Shinji, Byakuya and Rukia/Renji:

Compare that to Kenpachi clashing with Gerard and tanking multiple strikes from him for basically an entire chapter (Same strikes that one shotted Byakuya):

It's clear who got the superior portrayal.

After that he came back and managed to stop his assaults,

So now deflecting a single strike means he outperformed Kenpachi? Kenpachi crossed blades with Gerard multiple times and tanked his strikes. Byakuya got one shotted.

obliterated his head while he was in Vollstandig,

After being frozen by Adult Toshiro... context dude.

And then while casually having a conversation stopped a direct assault from Gerards strongest form.

I wouldn't put this above Bankai Kenny slaughtering Gerard and then cutting him in half... besides, Gerard was fairly casual and nonchalant with his strikes here.

Adult Toshiro was easily evading and intercepting all of Vollstandig Gerads attacks.

Then casually sliced Vollstandig Gerard's blade in half.

Gerard only attacked Toshiro three times, and two of those times Toshiro countered him with his freezing hax. Said hax is the only reason why he performed better against Kenpachi, which is what i stated in my previous reply.

So basically, you've done nothing but prove my point.

And in the Byakuya scans you can see he overpowered no one just got destroyed and frozen again.

My mistake. I was thinking of earlier in that fight when Gerard broke out of Toshiro's ice.

You can power up and power down in bleach.. like Kenpachi did before fighting Gremmy. That was the only reason why the other shinigami sensed his Reiatsu.

Not to the point where they can interchange between being Captain tier and transcendent, lol. This isn't Dragon Ball. Characters in Bleach don't willingly power up and down whole tiers.

Bazz B never lost his shrift.. he lost his Vollstandig. And was still fighting on par with them.

My mistake. Regardless, Rukia and Renji don't have any impressive feats, so Bazz-B fighting them isn't impressive.

Absolute Zero....

Not as impressive as flash freezing a multi-island sized stretch of water.

Which is also translated by Viz.. and nice try you're not just going to ignore this point

"Ennetsu Jigoku was already going to destroy FKT it would make no sense for Yamma to suppress the explosion if it was only going to level FKT if he was already going to do that."

Wonderwies was obviosuly going to take out more that FKT for Yamma to worry.

If it was so obvious, then Viz Media wouldn't have translated it that way.

I'm not interested in arguing headcanon or what made Yamamoto worry. All i care about is what's shown.

None of this explains how his heat is above Yamma's

Heat is irrelevant. Energy is what matters, and based on the above feats Akainu's attacks pack far more energy than Yamamoto's. Scaling just makes it even worse on the old man.

and Yamma's Ryujin Jakka is on par with Base Aizen who was stronger than all the espada combined so again he's also above in raw power.

It's not explicitly stated that Aizen's power is above all of the Espada's combined. The Viz translation simply states that all of the Espada's powers are inferior to his:

Moreover, the only Espada with any impressive DC feats is Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra, and according to Ulquiorra himself Aizen hasn't even seen Segunda Etapa:

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Basically, the scaling isn't concrete and even if it was, it wouldn't be impressive. At best it'd make Aizen city level, which Akainu dwarfs.

Implied yeah but it's not a fact and like i said before the flames didn't get to their peak before wonderwies absorbed them.

What do you mean by the "flames didn't reach their peak"? It took Yamamoto several chapters to prep the technique. If anything, that time would have been devoted to increasing the flames to their "peak". As soon as Yamamoto activated the technique and the flames sprouted up, it was at it's peak.

Huh? This thread goes into detail on why it's at the very least Island+ with 30+ scans.

Posting a reddit thread (Which i can't even reply to) doesn't help your argument.

At least post your own scans, so i can debunk them.

It proves that fire/heat type logias as i specifically stated adhere to a temperature hierarchy so Bazz B would overpower him even easier due to having much hotter flames.

No it doesn't, and the reason why is because it's not explicitly stated that Akainu overpowered Ace because he had a higher temperature. He had an elemental advantage, but that does NOTmean the reason why he overpowered Ace was because his temperature was higher. The most logical reasoning is that his magma smothered Ace's fire, which makes sense since fire is a gas whereas magma is a liquid. Liquid > gas.

Explosions more potent than either Ace or Akainu can produce.

The potency of those explosions are unknown, since we have nothing to scale it to. If we scale of it's AoE, then it's only city block level, which is booty.

Ace passively stopped an entire island from snowing by merely showing up. That >>>>> city block level.

I agree that I'm a Bleach fanboy who refuses to accept facts.

Great, at least you admitted it.

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How am i making excuses? You're making false equivalencies. Renji and Rukia are not Byakuya and they've never been on Byakuya's level. It'd be the same as arguing that just because Luffy went from being fodder to Yonko Commander level in 2 years, Nami or Usopp can. Your scaling falls flat on it's face.

You said that RG training can't make anyone that much powerful even though it in fact did with Byakuya and now your excuse is "Byakuya is a prodigy, they're not Byakuya" And lmao comparing the difference between Byakuya and Renji and Rukia to the difference between Luffy and Usopp and Nami is frankly just pathetic lmao they're litteraly fodder while on the other hand Renji actually brought Byakuya down to a knee in the SS arc. You know damn well the correct example would be Luffy's power in comparison to Zoro's and Sanji's.

Posting out of context scans doesn't help your argument.

They are literally able to sense his reiatsu. Your fan-fic about Kenpachi being a transcendent in base is debunked.

Are you being serious right now..? Kenpachi lowered his reiatsu to the point where they can sense it.. that's why they we're wondering why they didn't sense it before.

He fodderized base Gerard, prior to him regenerating from their attacks and becoming stronger. Immediately upon regenerating, Gerard one shotted Shinji, Byakuya and Rukia/Renji:

Compare that to Kenpachi clashing with Gerard and tanking multiple strikes from him for basically an entire chapter (Same strikes that one shotted Byakuya):

"oUt oF cOntExt" Byakuya was caught off guard and his power up and only came back with a scratch above his eye lmao.

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It's clear who got the superior portrayal.

Yeah the on who oneshotted VOLLSTANDIG Gerard and stopped an attack from Gerard's STRONGEST form.

So now deflecting a single strike means he outperformed Kenpachi? Kenpachi crossed blades with Gerard multiple times and tanked his strikes. Byakuya got one shotted.

I was listing his showings not saying that was more impressive and momentarily incapacitated*

After being frozen by Adult Toshiro... context dude.

I litteraly posted the colored version to make it clear that his head wasn't completely frozen. He still had to get passed his durability.

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I wouldn't put this above Bankai Kenny slaughtering Gerard and then cutting him in half... besides, Gerard was fairly casual and nonchalant with his strikes here.

Byakuya still oneshotted and matched stronger versions of Gerard so it'd be generous to say Bankai Kenny is at his level but i could see it.

Gerard only attacked Toshiro three times, and two of those times Toshiro countered him with his freezing hax. Said hax is the only reason why he performed better against Kenpachi, which is what i stated in my previous reply.

So basically, you've done nothing but prove my point.

Lmao what? Toshiro casually bisected Vollstandig Gerard's blade in half while Kenny only nicked Base Miracle Gerard's blade. It doesn't get any clearer than that Adult Toshiro outperformed Kenpachi.

Not to the point where they can interchange between being Captain tier and transcendent, lol. This isn't Dragon Ball. Characters in Bleach don't willingly power up and down whole tiers.

Kenpachi literally did that, so clearly they can. When Ichigo came out of the Dangai to face Aizen and Aizen was wondering why he didn't sense his Reiatsu he thought he lowered it at first before dismissing the idea because he did't sense it at all meaning you could in fact lower it all the way to fodder levels if you wanted too.

My mistake. Regardless, Rukia and Renji don't have any impressive feats, so Bazz-B fighting them isn't impressive.

Still two trancedants and one of them has absolute zero that's more impressive than anything Akainu has done.

Not as impressive as flash freezing a multi-island sized stretch of water.

You're right it's not as impressive it's more impressive it's the lowest temperature temperature possible lmao.

If it was so obvious, then Viz Media wouldn't have translated it that way.

Would've*? And i guess that's their mistake.

I'm not interested in arguing headcanon or what made Yamamoto worry. All i care about is what's shown.

It's not headcanon it's common sense why would he be worried about the attack leveling FKT if he was already going to do that? The correct translation is obviously the one that states it would level an area many times the size of karakura meaning he would reduce cities and mountain ranges to ashes.

Heat is irrelevant. Energy is what matters, and based on the above feats Akainu's attacks pack far more energy than Yamamoto's. Scaling just makes it even worse on the old man.

Heat is relevant and the one who can reduce mountain ranges to ashes has the the better heat AND energy.

It's not explicitly stated that Aizen's power is above all of the Espada's combined. The Viz translation simply states that all of the Espada's powers are inferior to his:

That's literally what that means the power of all the Espada's combined is less that his.

Moreover, the only Espada with any impressive DC feats is Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra, and according to Ulquiorra himself Aizen hasn't even seen Segunda Etapa:

And? Segunda etapa made Ulq the strongest Espada but that's still far from Aizen's power who's above all of them put together.

Basically, the scaling isn't concrete and even if it was, it wouldn't be impressive. At best it'd make Aizen city level, which Akainu dwarfs.

That's cute. The scaling is concrete and you misspelled Island+ but it's ight.

What do you mean by the "flames didn't reach their peak"? It took Yamamoto several chapters to prep the technique. If anything, that time would have been devoted to increasing the flames to their "peak". As soon as Yamamoto activated the technique and the flames sprouted up, it was at it's peak.

The flames weren't at their peak did i misspell something? He absorbed the attack when it wasn't at full power. The city, the Captains and the objective Aizen were fine lmao.

Huh? This thread goes into detail on why it's at the very least Island+ with 30+ scans.

Posting a reddit thread (Which i can't even reply to) doesn't help your argument.

At least post your own scans, so i can debunk them.

Debunk what ever you want from it here nothings stopping you.

No it doesn't, and the reason why is because it's not explicitly stated that Akainu overpowered Ace because he had a higher temperature. He had an elemental advantage, but that does NOTmean the reason why he overpowered Ace was because his temperature was higher. The most logical reasoning is that his magma smothered Ace's fire, which makes sense since fire is a gas whereas magma is a liquid. Liquid > gas.

I didn't say that was the main reason but that is a reason on top of the power gap.

The potency of those explosions are unknown, since we have nothing to scale it to. If we scale of it's AoE, then it's only city block level, which is booty.

Ace passively stopped an entire island from snowing by merely showing up. That >>>>> city block level.

Nah B.

Great, at least you admitted it.

I'm convinced Alex is the only person on these threads that doesn't resort to bitchy insults when they're losing a debate.