Universe:The basic unit is the universe. A universe is an endless, infinite expanse of spacetime, combined with all the matter, energy, laws of physics and related folderol that comes with it.
Metaverse:above the universe is a higher layer of reality: the metaverse. This is the term for the reality that is comprised of the set of infinite possible and impossible universes, plus the metaphysics and higher-dimension logic attendant to such a layer of reality. Here, we establish our first relative fiction - existence on a metaversal level is like living "real life" compared to the "fiction" of universal existence, which is infinitesimal in comparison. Keep that concept in mind, as that is what Suggs means when talking about "fictions"; he is not referring to the work of other authors
As the metaverse is to the universe, so is the teraverse to the metaverse. This continues on for some 6 more layers, Until you reach outside of the continuum Above . Above that is the end of Infinity and the omniverse..
Above the omniverse there are a few more dimensions that are infinity above that until you reach the Art Gallery where the Ace of spades resides. These 22 sets of relative realities comprise what is known as the First Floor.
Basically
The Metaverse = infinite number of Universes +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Teraverse = infinite number of Metaverses +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Petaverse= infinite number of Teraverses +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Exaverse = infinite number of Petaverse +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Zettaverse = infinite number of Exaverse +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
Outside of the Continuum : This is the level of infinity that exists without dimensions.If a person can exist in this world with no dimensions they could physically observe the zettaverse in its entirety.
The End of Infinity
The Omniverse : The Omniverse is the collection of all possibilities, with all possible laws of physics. Everything ranging It is the collection of every single Universe, Metaverse, Teraverse, Petaverse, Exaverse, and Zettaverse; every timeline, reality, dimension (alternate, micro, virtual, or pocket) and realm. Every form of existence ever mentioned or seen
THE ALL
Regions
Cardinalities
The Allscape
The Mainfold
Endless Blessings
Midlight's Deep
The Road to Tomorrow
Omegaverse
Alphaverse
The Rabbit Hole
The Art Gallery : end of the first floor and where the Ace of spades resides.
Second floor
From the perspective of the second floor the first floor is a microscopic speck that is just one of the infinite particles that makes up the second floor.
the first dimension of the Second floor is called the The Einverse it contain 69 higher dimensions that view the lower as fiction. there are an infinite number of Einverses all being contained in a single Zweiverse which not only contain an infinite about to Einverse but view them as fictionally. and this trend continues for 4 more layers unitl you reach The Absolute Meta-Infinity.
Bascially
The Einverse: a realm of higher existence than the first floor. From the perspective of a single Einverse the entirety of first floor appears to be that of a single extremely small speck. The Einverse is the house of existential realms and voids. It has a span of the 69 higher dimensions .
The Zweiverse = infinite number of Einverses +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Dreiverse : = infinite number of Zweiverses +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Spellverse : = infinite number of Dreiverse +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Breakverse : = infinite number of Spellverses +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Millenniumverse : = infinite number of Breakverses +Higher dimensionally to the point where lower level is fiction.
The Absolute Meta-Infinity : the physical embodiment of the Grand Principle of a "meta-infinity"
Ewscape's End : It is the end of the Meta-Absolute Infinite.
The Emerald Lion's Den : It is the eternal gulf outside of all realities; the embodiment of the End.
The Mind : It is the end of meta-Imagination and all meta concepts.The Mind is the endpoint of all conceptualizations.
A Master Set : is the absolute assembly of all possible Worlds, with all possible and impossible laws of all disciplines of physics.Everything vacillating from all of literature, all of trans-literature, all of fan-literature, all of personal literature, all of impersonal literature, as well as our actual existence are within The Master Set.
The Authorscape : The dimension that encompasses The Master Set. An area that transcends all written fiction that can and can't exist and even our reality itself.
The Paradise of the Rabbit's Perspective : this dimension can only be accessed by passing through The Authorscape. From this Dimension one could observe all thing mentioned above.
Thunderstep : Outside of all prior levels, Thundersteps are present. These levels of actualities are still definitions unconfirmed.
Heir's Pulse :Heir's Pulse is the total sum of everything mentioned before.
THIRD FLOOR
Undefinable as no concepts can exist within it
FOURTH FLOOR
Undefinable as no concept can exist within it except for the existence of a new dominant mechanic called Realm Reborn Red
Once the 4th Floor is reached, the character in question automatically turns into a pata-character. All pata-characters that reaches this Floor instantly gains full mastery over this system: Realm Reborn Red. There are no exceptions.
∅. Reverse Plot-Armor embodies the meta-modes and meta-attributes of "Script Immunity" and "Character Shields", for Reverse Plot Armor allows one to step beyond the authority of any author's writing, ignoring Logic and In-Universe reality. Things happen because the plot says they should do not apply to the user utilizing Lionel suggs Logic.
1. Whatever the pata-character says is the (retroactive) meta-absolute truth. This is obtained by exceeding the necessity of the author.
2. The embodiment of storytelling (utilizing Lionel's Law) supersedes the applications of > Meta-Omnipotence, > Meta-Omniscience, and > Meta-Omnipresence on a general level. The user controls the plot of the story as it goes, be it the setting of the story, whom the plot revolves around, how the plot progresses or the reasoning of the user's perspective. They can control every decision the characters make and every consequence of those decisions and essentially control the whole sequencing of stories of their verse.
3. In the end, the truth about stories is that's all we are. The ability to be aware that one's story is above all of fiction, all of nonfiction, all of transfiction, all of fanfiction, all of metafiction, all of patafiction, all interfiction, all of personal fiction, and all of impersonal fiction. Because of this, the user of this law can bend meta-absolute possibility and impossibility to their whim within any story. The user has transcended the boundary of ALL-Fiction, being able to influence and override the modes and attributes of boundary.
4. The user is able to command all perspectives about Possibility, Totality, and Nothingness. Since the former, including existence and nonexistence are based upon one's perspective, this Law can meta-essentially create a new truth, uncertainty or deny the existence of a > meta-absolute truth or unknown. All the concepts and attributes like omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, causality, (and so on) exist only because they are perceived to exist. "Change, interpretation, and equality" are mere perceptions controlled by the user.
5. Users embody and control change, and yet exist beyond the necessity of Change. All that ever happened and ever will are expressions of change. Users can achieve or prevent any change at will. They dominantly possess the most perfect defense, as they naturally shrug off any undesirable change.
6. All underlying principles are irrelevant.
7. {₤}8 is a > pata-meta-concept that is higher than the concepts of Endless, Infinity, and lower than < Absolute 0.
8. The user has the capabilities to create and assume control of concepts that aren't of a > Para-Meta-Omniscient Mind-scape. At this point, the user is above "ideas" since they are outside of the realms of abstract potentialities, conceptualizations and inconceivabilities.
∅. >Meta Transcendence encompasses going > beyond transcending individuality and the absolute perfection of 'self.'
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A number of Floors so conceptually complex that I do not have the framework to explain it adequately
I asked this thread to be created so I can debunk Sergeant once and for all. I can't stop anyone from commenting. But I'd ask for you all to let us post a bit before commenting. This is meant to be a debunk and explanation thread regarding Suggverse, so I'd like our arguments to be on the first page for onlookers to see.
@sergeantmuscle Send the omnipotent stuff and how an "omnipotent" was defeated too. I will make my reply soon.
@zgtfreak: Omnipotence in Suggsverse function is Omnipotence. These Character are all powerful however to a character that view their whole existence as fiction they nothing more than a character in a comic.
Suggsverse higher dimensions are entirely conceptual and boardering on true Platonics. They are places where Creators like The Presence reside. Nothing Battler can do will even come close to affecting them, when they are things that not only generate concepts, but the idea of Void and nothingness is actually a character trait.
You can make a case for Battler maybe getting to the 4th Floor, once he encounters entities that can be without being a concept, he insta loses.
@zgtfreak: Omnipotence in Suggsverse function is Omnipotence. These Character are all powerful however to a character that view their whole existence as fiction they nothing more than a character in a comic.
Send me how that one guy defeated an omnipotent with division or whatever.
I'm so tired of the out of context nonsense posts. Ignore me if you want to, I'll just post all the relevant scans anyway here and in other threads for you to continue dodging an explanation for.
Ep8
Battler Punches Beato
She literally bursts into nothing and then reforms because Featherine allowed her to.
Upon her return, she is still in pain
She is stunned she can still feel the pain and cannot stop it from happening.
She forgot the concept of pain exists and has no power to stop the pain from occurring in her face
Ouch
Feather says its the Endless 9 allowing it
Wait a second, ZTGFREAK has been going on about how these powers can exist anywhere they want...but here is Featherine and Beato saying nope, it's only on this Game board when Battler is the Game Master. Oops, see what happens when you get someone who also watched this series and played it? Turns out everything ZTGFreak insists Battler can do, he actually can't do outside of when he is the Game Master in the battle happening. There goes the Endless 9 argument, as I said before.
You can't use these powers on equal playing field with another, unless you are the Game Master! Confirmed by Featherine herself, don't you dare even try to spin this anymore.
Battler can only do this because he was the current story teller and Game Master on this board! See everyone? Context matters. Listen to the people who post the scans and explain them and not just random interpretations.
Featherine Agrees Battler is the game master and its why he no sold Beato
Hey guess what, Featherine stops that nosnense and makes them both Game Masters, Battlers nonsense "IM BETTER THAN YOU NOPE" power is now nonexistent. No longer allowed because he is no longer the only Game Master in the Battle.
Oh my...well, that just destroys the entire WTC side of the debate in nearly every single vs thread.
Battler about to get his junk wrecked because now he is on equal playing field and the rules changed.
Confirmed. Can't wait for the spin and interpretations to flip all this. I'm so tired of debating WTC fans who insist one thing, but the scans directly say other things entirely about it. This is no longer up for discussion. Endless 9 only exists because Battler was the Game Master on that playing field, his status was revoked. End.
Guys and Gals, how many fictions do I have to debunk!? Here is yet another huge WTC argument completely destroyed because all it took was posting the scans. I feel like my user name should be debunkdude, lol. Hmm...maybe I'll buy it from him.
3:50 or so to about 16 minutes. This is the end of WTC and their arguments. They cannot keep their powers outside of their own boards Featherine revokes it. Their powers are that way, because they are the game master in this specific fight. That is how WTC works
That's Bern, not Beato. Good job. You exposed yourself. You lied, saying you read the series even though you can't tell which character is which.
She literally bursts into nothing and then reforms because Featherine allowed her to.
Aurora didn't have anything to do with her reforming. And I dare you to cite a scan proving that. Caught in another lie and more proof you never read Umineko.
She forgot the concept of pain exists and has no power to stop the pain from occurring in her face
And? I never said they have control over all platonic concepts. Only some.
Feather says its the Endless 9 allowing it
Allowing Bern's pain? No. An out of context scan. You are lying through your teeth. Aurora said Endless Nine allowed him to neg the Overlords:
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Wait a second, ZTGFREAK has been going on about how these powers can exist anywhere they want...but here is Featherine and Beato saying nope, it's only on this Game board when Battler is the Game Master. Oops, see what happens when you get someone who also watched this series and played it? Turns out everything ZTGFreak insists Battler can do, he actually can't do outside of when he is the Game Master in the battle happening. There goes the Endless 9 argument, as I said before.
Except it doesn't say that at all. How does Battler need to be the Game Master to use Endless Nine when he used it as a meta-human way before becoming the Game Master?
Another lie you were caught in. And Endless Nine protected his gameboard/story, it doesn't rely on it. THIS is the full scan:
Another lie you have been caught in.
Oops, see what happens when you get someone who also watched this series and played it?
You couldn't even remember the name of the main villain of the series and called her Beato. You also called Umineko Higurashi and called When They Cry "When Doves Cry." LMAO You've been exposed. All you do is lie
You can't use these powers on equal playing field with another, unless you are the Game Master! Confirmed by Featherine herself, don't you dare even try to spin this anymore.
Battler can only do this because he was the current story teller and Game Master on this board! See everyone? Context matters. Listen to the people who post the scans and explain them and not just random interpretations.
Horribly out of context. They can't harm Battler because he rejects them as false because they aren't apart of his story. Endless Nine stops them because Battler denies anyone outside his story, which is why Aurora said it was Endless Nine.
Featherine Agrees Battler is the game master and its why he no sold Beato
Your own scan said it was because of Battler using Endless Nine on anyone not in his story. (And again, Bern, not Beato.)
Hey guess what, Featherine stops that nosnense and makes them both Game Masters, Battlers nonsense "IM BETTER THAN YOU NOPE" power is now nonexistent. No longer allowed because he is no longer the only Game Master in the Battle.
She doesn't do that at all. Nothing in your scan states this. The game was always a war of Truths. Battler threw the fight so Ange could learn Endless Nine and the Golden Truth like him. After all, this final game was dedicated to Ange. Oh, and look what happens when she learns Battler's Endless Nine and Golden Truth? She negs Bern:
Ange then proceeds to one shot Bernkastel with the Golden Truth (who is far above Ange in raw power):
Caught in yet another lie, Michael. You should be ashamed of yourself. You've lost.
@zgtfreak: here Alex everything you need to know about Alex victory .
Who is Alex Victory?
Alex is a minor character that appears a few times throughout Heir to the Stars.
He's a brash, brawny young man that appears seemingly at random, initiates a battle with the nearest person and then absolutely beats the f%ck out of them. His success is completely regardless of the power or ability displayed by his opponents. His power, while almost as simple as it can be, operates at a metaphysical level far beyond any opponent that he has ever fought. Across several years of appearances (and many fights behind the scenes), he has never lost a fight, despite taking on opponents of vastly varying levels of power.
The Voyager known as Golden Strawberry bestowed Alex with the embodiment of Victory as reward for winning a tournament of superpowered characters. Despite not having a highly advanced powerset like that possessed by many other Heir to the Stars characters, Alex remains completely undefeated in a verse where the concepts of victory and defeat are regularly warped and redefined by metaphysical entities. His fights appear to go back and forth, with Alex occasionally stumbling or suffering setbacks at various points, but always wins in the end. He is the embodiment of Victory, not Invulnerability - though he is functionally invulnerable to most enemies.
He gains power exponentially over his various appearances, which are as follows:
Heir to the Stars - Chris Raion SpadesHeir to the Stars - Adam ConquestHeir to the Stars - Skylar KosenshouContinued StoryHeir to the Stars III
Primary ability
Victory Embodiment | Absolute Invincibility: Alex Victory's existence is literally "I'm always stronger, always higher, always faster, and always better. He is always more You than You yourself. Because of this, he is absolutely unable to lose.
Creates infinite replicas of himself; they are also able to use Alex's abilities. From Heir to the Stars - Chris Raion Spades, pg. 47:
"Pandora’s Box." Alex Victory whispered.
Alex Victory multiplied himself by the infinites and above. Each of them multiplied themselves by the infinities. They all unleashed the Godhand onto Fallen.
In-universe Word of God states that Alex is victorious even over the logic, reason and philosophy of Heir to the Stars. From Heir to the Stars III, pg. 179
Alex Victory "The World Champion"...
A transcendent embodiment of victory with the chains of glory attached to him. He exists as an antiequation to subjugation.
Ranked for his victories over logic, reason, and philosophy within the Heir to the Stars Cosmic Hierarchy.
Defense feats
Immediately recovers from being completely deleted on all levels of existence reality conceptualize thought identity . From Heir to the Stars - Skylar Kosenshou, pg. 39:
Skylar used his Ansho Eyes to erase the pattern, substance, thought, value, quality, form, idea, identity, concept, reality, and existence of the dimensional realm, and of Alex Victory on all levels of existence and of the infinite scope.
Skylar appeared on the second floor and Alex Victory regenerated before her eyes. He regenerated from having his entire existence erased in another dimension.
Can Evades metafictional hax. From Heir to the Stars III, pg. 111:
"You preach a great game, but yet you aren’t drawing any good cards." Vlaze Viveravrace Violet said, forcing paraphilosophical equations to deconstruct the reality behind the principle in which "Identity" was defined – specifically targeting the World Champion.
Alex Victory evaded the deconstruction, stepping outside of the Causality / Acausality / Retrocausality / Intercausality / Narrative Causality of her attack.
Directly denies metafictional hax. From Heir to the Stars III, pg. 112:
Vlaze Viveravrace Violet opened this Red Door, creating a factual code that collapsed on a downward hierarchy of deconstruction and Cataphysical ∀versal irreversible permanent removal. Through invoking an Anti-∀nswer, Vlaze Viveravrace Violet keyed in a Meta within the frame of this factual code that would permanently remove Alex Victory – The World Champion from himself, beyond himself, and less than himself in an omnilocked eternal refrain. The philosophy of this <Meta | Anti> Event was then introduced to an Emerald Cat’s Eye Song, in which would create a Re; 錠causality that would target beyond Names, Languages, Categories, Essence and actualities behind that in which principles of models / modes / attributes are defined. Retrocausality to opening the Red Door, a hidden unwritten truth was encoded onto her target, in the form of a splintering conceptual value, which in effect opened up the gates to a lower echelon of a descending hierarchy of less than a lower grand scale UnterNothingness of the identity in which it is defined.
"Not yet!"
Alex Victory closed the Red Door, which only existed in what could be described as outside of the actuality and possibility of Existence and Nonexistence -- outside of Names, Terms, and Essence; an imaginary construct of an ability that was written out of the story.
Offense feats
Breaks the entire Heir to the Stars cosmology with a single foot step!!. From Heir to the Stars III, pg. 151:
Alex Victory – The World Champion stepped into the realm of Pendulum Kingbreakers, breaking the Heir to the Stars Cosmic Hierarchy before him [...]
Begins destroying the entire Heir to the Stars by denying narrative structure. From Heir to the Stars III, pg. 150:
Heir to the Stars – Arche allowed The World Champion to witness an unwritten truth from which The Silver Devil and The Black Monarch did not speak of.
Alex Victory removed the coming notion, denying the unwritten truth.
As the World Champion tilted his head, the Heir to the Stars Cosmic Hierarchy started to rumble and fissure.
Bah, you are playing word games just because I typed the wrong character name. Doesn't matter at all, none of your scans debunk the core arguments made and your opinion doesn't trump Featherine or anyone else in this series. You said its not magic. They say otherwise, tell me again how your interpretation is > what the game and manga literally state as an answer.
It's magic. Not even the concept of Magic. Its just magic.
So lets recap
1. ZTG says it's not magic, but the game and manga say many times everything is based on magic. He claims its something else, despite them being witches and warlocks.
2. Battler can use the Endless9 anywhere, but Featherine says nope he can't, he only could do this because he was the game master in that specific battle and she literally stripped it away from him to be on an equal playing field in the next battle.
3. None of the wall of text debunks one thing I said. I go out of my way to copy scans in and explain every single one, and I do not get the same back, because the aim of the opposition is to flood the thread with large scans and hope someone just accepts what they said, but didn't actually read the text on them.
You are debunked. I am going to listen to the characters to explain things and not you. Your statements are all literal inverses of what Featherine and the rest say this is.
The best description I can use to explain how ZTG and friends are debating me on this is to post this picture of a Potato.
I'm not going to explain why I posted this scan, or what in the scan of this Potato proves what I am saying is correct. When you ask me to, I will immediately dodge it and change the subject. I wont even begin to try to link this potato with the relevant subject, I'm just hoping you look at the potato and accept it as my debunk and that I am correct.
@michaeljulius: Bah, you are playing word games just because I typed the wrong character name.
You typed the wrong character's name TWICE.
Doesn't matter at all, none of your scans debunk the core arguments made and your opinion doesn't trump Featherine or anyone else in this series. You said its not magic. They say otherwise, tell me again how your interpretation is > what the game and manga literally state as an answer.
I said what isn't magic? Truths? Yeah, they aren't. The Overlords were using magic, not Truths. The feat I sent of Ange tanking Bern's Truths has nothing to do with the Overlords and their magic.
It's magic. Not even the concept of Magic. Its just magic.
I debunked you in the other thread we were debating in on this.
1. ZTG says it's not magic, but the game and manga say many times everything is based on magic. He claims its something else, despite them being witches and warlocks.
Battler can use the Endless9 anywhere, but Featherine says nope he can't, he only could do this because he was the game master in that specific battle and she literally stripped it away from him to be on an equal playing field in the next battle.
Debunked that in my previous post here in this thread.
None of the wall of text debunks one thing I said.
They did, Michael... They debunked all of it.
I go out of my way to copy scans in and explain every single one
No, you sent scans with no context behind them, then lied and made up your own context until I corrected and exposed your lies.
I'm not going to explain why I posted this scan, or what in the scan of this Potato proves what I am saying is correct. When you ask me to, I will immediately dodge it and change the subject. I wont even begin to try to link this potato with the relevant subject, I'm just hoping you look at the potato and accept it as my debunk and that I am correct.
Again, Michael... That is what you do, not me. Hell, you send scans that say they support your arguments when they literally say the exact opposite of what you are claiming, such as your Endless Nine scan.
The Metaverse = 5-D based on your description, as a conceptually transcendent higher dimension can hold an infinite amount of versions of a lower dimension. This is basic R>F conceptually transcendent book layer dimensions.
The Teraverse = 6-D based on your description.
The Petaverse= 7-D based on your description.
The Exaverse = 8-D based on your description.
The Zettaverse = 9-D based on your description.
Outside of the Continuum : 10-D based on your description. It says it has no dimensions, but treats the lower layer in the same way as a higher dimension. So I am going to still treat these as dimensions for simplicity sake.
The End of Infinity ??? No description. I'll be nice and treat it as a higher dimension/layer anyways. 11-D.
The Omniverse : 12-D with flowery wording, as it merely contains infinite sets of all lower realms. And containing all of physics only is fodder.
None of the below have any descriptions. But I am a fair guy. These are logically more higher dimensions/layers. So...
THE ALL 13-D.
Region 14-D.
Cardinalities 15-D.
The Allscape 16-D.
The Mainfold 17-D.
Endless Blessings 18-D.
Midlight's Deep 19-D.
The Road to Tomorrow 20-D.
Omegaverse 21-D.
Alphaverse 22-D.
The RabbitHole 23-D.
The Art Gallery : 24-D.
First Floor = 24-D
...
Next.
From the perspective of the second floor the first floor is a microscopic speck that is just one of the infinite particles that makes up the second floor.
25-D then. And not even a conceptually transcendent layer that treats the lower as non-existent/fiction. It is just a mere higher infinity. Complete fodder to the previous R>F conceptually transcendent book layer dimensional tiering that the first floor used. Thus this isn't even a proper 25-D in the context of this cosmology. I'm revoking it. Still 24-D.
The Einverse: a realm of higher existence than the first floor. From the perspective of a single Einverse the entirety of first floor appears to be that of a single extremely small speck. The Einverse is the house of existential realms and voids.
Really? Lionel Suggs devolved his cosmology from conceptually transcendent dimensions to mere higher infinities? Since this cosmology started out with dimensions, I am only considering those as higher dimensions, as mere higher infinity dimensions are a JOKE and are IRRELEVANT to higher dimensions that treat lower as fiction and treats all of its concepts as 0. Still 24-D.
It has a span of the 69 higher dimensions .
What 69 higher dimensions? More higher infinities? Still 24-D from the standpoint of conceptually transcendent dimensions/layers. Next.
The Zweiverse = infinite number of Einverses +Higher dimension-ally to the point where lower level is fiction.
And NOW we are back to these conceptually transcendent dimensions/layers again? Ok. 25-D.
The Dreiverse : 26-D.
The Spellverse : 27-D.
The Breakverse : 28-D.
The Millenniumverse : = 29-D.
The Absolute Meta-Infinity : the physical embodiment of the Grand Principle of a "meta-infinity"
The hell is a meta-infinity?
Ewscape's End : It is the end of the Meta-Absolute Infinite.
Well it has an "end," so it isn't absolute. And until further notice, it is just another higher infinity again. Cosmology staying at 29-D still.
The Emerald Lion's Den : It is the eternal gulf outside of all realities; the embodiment of the End.
So a reality outside of others. Not even a higher infinity. It just exist in another location. And the "End" it embodies isn't absolute, as things beyond its scope can still in. Lionel's horribly failed attempt at platonic concepts does not amuse me.
The Mind : It is the end of meta-Imagination and all meta concepts.The Mind is the endpoint of all conceptualizations.
Ok ok. Stop right here. Let's take a pause to allow me to bring up something... Allow me to introduce you to a little thing called AUTHOR WANK. What is author wank? When an author hypes something, but gives it anti-feats that contradict and invalidate its hype. The endpoint of all conceptualizations?
...
NO.
Let's take a look at the layer that comes DIRECTLY after it:
A Master Set : is the absolute assembly of all possible Worlds, with all possible and impossible laws of all disciplines of physics.Everything vacillating from all of literature, all of trans-literature, all of fan-literature, all of personal literature, all of impersonal literature, as well as our actual existence are within The Master Set.
Possibility, impossibility, concepts, laws, worlds, disciplines, physics, literature of any kind, and existence are all concepts. A concept is an idea. The imagination that conceptualized such things and brought them into existence. Even non-existence is an idea birthed from imagination and is thus a concept. So "beyond all conceptualizations" is mere author wank that he debunks in his VERY NEXT LAYER. Hell, the fact that "beyond all conceptualizations" is even a layer means that it falls under the concept of LAYERS, HIERARCHY, SIZE, SCOPE, AND SCALE!
So what does "beyond all conceptualizations" mean? It means it is beyond all concepts in the cosmology up until that point. Said concepts are not perfect, boundless, absolute, or eternal either (aka a platonic concept). So this is completely unimpressive.
The Paradise of the Rabbit's Perspective : this dimension can only be accessed by passing through The Authorscape. From this Dimension one could observe all thing mentioned above.
MORE AUTHOR WANK THAT HE HIMSELF DEBUNKED LATER ON! AND THIS ISN'T EVEN ANOTHER MERE HIGHER INFINITY! NEXT!
Thunderstep : Outside of all prior levels, Thundersteps are present. These levels of actualities are still definitions unconfirmed.
I don't speak nor try to gauge gibberish. Next.
Heir's Pulse :Heir's Pulse is the total sum of everything mentioned before.
The sum of the entire second floor? Ok then.
Second Floor = 29-D
...
Next.
THIRD FLOOR
Undefinable as no concepts can exist within it
Let's check the fourth floor to confirm this:
FOURTH FLOOR
Undefinable as no concept can exist within it except for the existence of a new dominant mechanic called Realm Reborn Red
Realm Reborn Red
Once the 4th Floor is reached, the character in question automatically turns into a pata-character. All pata-characters that reaches this Floor instantly gains full mastery over this system: Realm Reborn Red. There are no exceptions.
∅. Reverse Plot-Armor embodies the meta-modes and meta-attributes of "Script Immunity" and "Character Shields", for Reverse Plot Armor allows one to step beyond the authority of the author's writing, ignoring Logic and In-Universe reality. Things happen because the plot says they should do not apply to the user utilizing Lionel Logic.
1. Whatever the pata-character says is the (retroactive) meta-absolute truth. This is obtained by exceeding the necessity of the author.
2. The embodiment of storytelling (utilizing Lionel's Law) supersedes the applications of > Meta-Omnipotence, > Meta-Omniscience, and > Meta-Omnipresence on a general level. The user controls the plot of the story as it goes, be it the setting of the story, whom the plot revolves around, how the plot progresses or the reasoning of the user's perspective. They can control every decision the characters make and every consequence of those decisions and essentially control the whole sequencing of stories of their verse.
3. In the end, the truth about stories is that's all we are. The ability to be aware that one's story is above all of fiction, all of nonfiction, all of transfiction, all of fanfiction, all of metafiction, all of patafiction, all interfiction, all of personal fiction, and all of impersonal fiction. Because of this, the user of this law can bend meta-absolute possibility and impossibility to their whim within any story. The user has transcended the boundary of ALL-Fiction, being able to influence and override the modes and attributes of boundary.
4. The user is able to command all perspectives about Possibility, Totality, and Nothingness. Since the former, including existence and nonexistence are based upon one's perspective, this Law can meta-essentially create a new truth, uncertainty or deny the existence of a > meta-absolute truth or unknown. All the concepts and attributes like omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, causality, (and so on) exist only because they are perceived to exist. "Change, interpretation, and equality" are mere perceptions controlled by the user.
5. Users embody and control change, and yet exist beyond the necessity of Change. All that ever happened and ever will are expressions of change. Users can achieve or prevent any change at will. They dominantly possess the most perfect defense, as they naturally shrug off any undesirable change.
6. All underlying principles are irrelevant.
7. {₤}8 is a > pata-meta-concept that is higher than the concepts of Endless, Infinity, and lower than < Absolute 0.
8. The user has the capabilities to create and assume control of concepts that aren't of a > Para-Meta-Omniscient Mind-scape. At this point, the user is above "ideas" since they are outside of the realms of abstract potentialities, conceptualizations and inconceivabilities.
∅. >Meta Transcendence encompasses going > beyond transcending individuality and the absolute perfection of 'self.'
Debunked because judging off the next layer, there are more complex concepts, which debunks any of these as being absolute.
Fourth Floor = 29-D Still
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iQ19>8 FLOOR AND LKÉAREMNNIXIA
A number of Floors so conceptually complex that I do not have the framework to explain it adequately
Penxum Azyunder
Bethnels Demyx
Missing_Aaliyah
Tezsonance
Ceristylium
Mythrillamia
Daletvwlch
9ineReqvi Vhryanquess
LION'S DEN
Undefinable cause no concepts can exist within it
ACE TO MACHINA
Undefinable cause no concepts can exist within it
THE VOYAGERS
This is the realms of xeranthemum
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Still 29-D.
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As for omnipotence... The true definition is an absolute boundless eternal perfect entity or source beyond the concept of any paradox. You cannot be above it. You cannot view it as fiction (unless you are literally a real life human like us). It is not based on cosmology or a layer. And I know what one of your arguments will be... "Us humans view these supposed omnipotent beings as fiction, so that means other fictional characters in higher layers can treat omnipotence as well." No. Fictional omnipotence is only fiction to us (aka you and me) in real life. But from a fictional standpoint (which includes all reality>fiction dimensions/layers in fiction), omnipotence is absolute boundless perfection. You're in a higher dimension that treats the lower as non-existent fiction? Omnipotence is still above it. It is above everything fiction has to offer. Lionel Sugg's idea of omnipotence is bounded to cosmology and MATHEMATICS, as evident in how an "omnipotent" was defeated by mathematical division hax. That is certainly no boundless source. Lionel's definition of omnipotence is unrelated to the real one, thus should not be equated to the real one. An omnipotent truly fitting the definition is Umineko's Creator. This is what the Creator is and what happens if you reach it:
All of Suggverse falls under the authority of a true omnipotent.
Now... onto Umineko/When They Cry's cosmology. Here is an early version of my unfinished respect thread:
Cosmology
This will be the main part of this thread... Here I (with the help of Ovy7 and Kil) will be showing and explaining the When They Cry multiverse and the sheer size of it. Before we start, I'd like to mention that we do not use VS Battles logic in any way and are against it entirely. Now, onto the main event...
There are three domains in When They Cry: the Human Domain, the Witches Domain, and the Creator's Domain. These domains are basically the three main parts of the When They Cry multiverse, and are actually three separate multiverses and planes of existence entirely, with the Creator's Domain being the highest, then the Witches Domain, then the Human Domain. The difference between domains is like the difference between two hierarchies:
もちろん、右代宮家と縁などあるわけもない。そもそも、彼らの存在する階層さえ、異なる。
Translation: Of course, there is no relationship between Willard and the Ushiromiya House. Even the hierarchy in which they reside is, in the first place, different.
The hierarchy of the Ushiromiyas here applies to the domain of Humans, which is different from the one where Will exist (the Witches one).
So is there a difference in actual power between the domains? And if so... how big is the difference? To the first question, yes, there is an actual power, volume, and size difference between them, and we will get to that a bit later. To the second question, we will also get back to that in a bit. But for now, let's take a look at the Human Domain and what it contains first...
The Human Domain
In the Human Domain, we have higher-dimensional worlds and complex quantum structures:
~Is one of the “guardians (Jedas)” who monitor the immigration situation of their fellow “Ryūn people” who crossed the fifth dimension wall to live in the current world.
So, how do higher dimensions work in When They Cry? Well, higher dimensions are infinitely above/superior to lower dimensions:
The Human Domain is a ladder that ascends upwards to the Witches Domain. Why is this? Well... let's take a look:
Each step of the ladder in the Witches Domain is a higher dimension that brings to closer to the Creator (omnipotent god). Witches try to continuously climb the ladder until they reach the highest point, and then try to ascend to the Creator's Domain. They try to prevent falling down the ladder (can happen due to various things), as it will land them in the bottomless hell known as the Sea of Oblivion (the lowest section of the infinite ladder that is a bottomless hell):
Now, what does this have to do with the Human Domain? Well... there is a common misconception that When They Cry has one single ladder that runs through all three domains and is one single infinite-dimensional ladder; however this is not the case. Take note in the scan above that it states that the lowest part of the infinite ladder is the bottomless Sea of Oblivion. But... the Human Domain is specifically stated to have a ground at the bottom that humans can stand on if they fall from their ladder. They purposely make this a distinct difference between the two domains:
As you can see, this is contradictory. If there is only one single infinite ladder that runs through all three domains, then how can said ladder be bottomless yet have a ground? Well... this is clearly not the case. Each domain has their own separate ladder (aka their own separate set of dimensions). So how big is the ladder in the Human Domain? Well, Beatrice's Catbox (which consist of only the Human Domain) runs off the Type 3 Multiverse Model if we look closely:
Beatrice's Catbox is a multiverse that self-generates infinite possibilities that keep branching out infinitely, Basically Beatrice's Catbox is a Type 3 Multiverse.
LEVEL III MULTIVERSE: THE MANY WORLDS OF QUANTUM MECHANICS
There may be a third type of parallel worlds that are not far away but in a sense right here. If the equations of physics are what mathematicians call unitary, as they so far appear to be, then the universe keeps branching into parallel universes as in the cartoon below: whenever a quantum event appears to have a random outcome, all outcomes in fact occur, one in each branch. This is the Level III multiverse. Although more debated and controversial than Level I and Level II, I've argued that, surprisingly, this level adds no new types of universes.
https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html
While the possibilities/parallel worlds in a Type 3 Multiverse are the same as a Type 1 Multiverse (your standard infinite multiverse), the difference is that a Type 3 Multiverse uses an infinite-dimensional Hilbert Space:
Tegmark writes that, "The only difference between Level I and Level III is where your doppelgängers reside. In Level I they live elsewhere in good old three-dimensional space. In Level III they live on another quantum branch in infinite-dimensional Hilbert space."
Credit to Sungsam/Norsewinter for that last bit of information. ^
So Beatrice's Catbox is an infinite-dimensional multiverse in the Human Domain that self-generates endless worlds (timelines/parallel universes). And Beatrice's Cat Box is only one part of the Human Domain. Bernkastel states that she had to find and open an even bigger catbox than Beatrice's:
So Bernkastel found a catbox bigger than Beatrice's self-generating infinite-dimensional catbox. We even see in the scan above that there are multiple catboxes in the background. However, Beatrice's self-generating infinite-dimensional Catbox is stated countless of times to be extremely unique; so the chances of those other catboxes being infinite-dimensional is unlikely (aside from the one specifically stated to be bigger than Beatrice's of course).
But wait... There's more. Each dimension has an infinite amount of Kakeras (also known as fragments) in the Sea of Fragments What are Kakeras and the Sea of Fragments? Well here is the basics:
Kakera (カケラ?, lit. "fragment(s)") is a particular concept among "Voyager" witches. In the When They Cry series they are prisms that represent infinite parallel worlds with different possibilities. The different decisions taken by the characters, circumstances, environment and various other variables pave way for the story to play out in particular ways in different kakera. It metaphorically embodies the idea that reality is a microcosm of innumerable known and unknown factors. In the Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Minagoroshi-hen manga, Bernkastel refers to them as books and gives them different names. Likewise, all of the games in Umineko no Naku Koro ni are given different names. The games themselves can be considered parallel worlds existing at the same time in some sense. These different worlds can be viewed in the Meta-World and in the sea of fragments. In Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Rika Furude is able to view the different worlds in the sea of fragments. Bernkastel has been shown to have entered the sea of fragments to view the different worlds in order to solve the epitaph. Battler, with a push from Virgilia, discovered the ability to access and utilize the sea of fragments to discover the "truth" in End of the Golden Witch. Aside from being used as a way to view different worlds, Bernkastel has also stated in the same arc that she can make a fragment a reality and in Twilight of the Golden Witch, it was used as some sort of teleporting device by Lambdadelta, which allows Voyager witches such as herself to enter and exit different game boards.
https://umineko.fandom.com/wiki/Kakera
As for the Sea of Fragments... It's essentially a location where all Kakeras are stored. And The Sea of Fragments exist on every level/layer/dimension of both the Human and Witches Domain. They get bigger the higher you go on the ladder::
Ovy7: "Which makes perfect sense with what we see through the VN/manga. In Ep5, Bern and Lambda get Meta-Battler to the Sea of Fragments, but it's only the one from Beato's Catbox, so a small one:"
Ovy7: "In Ep7, Will and Lion escape in a much vaster Sea of Fragments considering that it holds Bern's Catbox and Beato's Catbox, and all of that Sea of Fragments is just a Book for people on even higher lvls:"
However, Kakeras are more than just parallel worlds. They can represent many different concepts from emotions, to entire realms and layers:
この３つの世界は一見、独立しているが、どこかで繋がっている。
~These three worlds seems independent at the first glance, but they are connected somewhere.
【アリス】「わかったっ。……つまり宇宙戦争の世界は、畏人の遊んでいるＦＰＳゲームの世界なのよ」
[Alice] "I understand ... the world of space wars is the world of FPS games in which awe are playing."
【アリス】「つまり、宇宙戦争世界とラノベ学園世界は、上下関係で繋がっているのよっ」
~Alice: In other words, the space war world and the ranobe gakuen (~school light novel) world are connected by a hierarchical relationship.
この世界の上層であるラノベ学園世界で、情報屋を自称する人物は１人しかいない。
~In the ranobe gakuen world that is the higher layer for this world, there is only one person who calls the snitch.
^ Just like the dimensions themselves, Kakeras work in the form of higher layers inside each dimension. So Beatrice's Catbox alone has infinite dimensions where each higher dimension treats the lower as non-existent fiction. And each dimensional level/ladder step has its own Sea of Fragments with infinite Kakeras that contain concepts and hierarchical layered worlds in the same way the dimensions/ladder steps themselves do. That means each dimension/ladder step is infinite-D on its own due to having infinite hierarchical Kakeras. So Beatrice's infinite-D catbox actually would be the equivalent of having an infinite amount of infinite-D realms, with each infinite-D layer treating the lower one as mere fiction. Then Lion's catbox would be the same, but bigger and on a higher level.
So now that we know the size of the Human Domain, it's now time to look at the inner workings.
(This section was made by someone on another website I do not remember the name of.)
"Ok, now is the time to get into the nitty-gritty, the complexity of the Human Domain. For this, I'm going to use scans form ReWrite, Ryukishi07's collaboration with Tanaka Romeo and Tonokawa Yuuto, the same trio that wrote TrianThology. As you guys would see, the cosmological concepts from WTC are also present here, but I'll let you interpret this how you desire.
The basic premise here is that those guys have a power called ReWrite which grands them the ability to improve all of their "stats", to say it blunt lol. Here is what happens when it goes kinda too far:
From the very beginning we already have some kind of unimaginable realm beyond concepts of space and time and where all coordinates do not work:
What is this realm? Well, one where creatures are concepts:
Composite versions of infinite selfs. Although for them this world seems like ordinary reality (well, almost):
This place contains things that the human mind can't even comprehend:
Just trying to look and understand the incomprehensible knowledge in this diagram is deadly for ordinary beings from this world. Fortunately, they do not die, even if they die (lol):
Due to the increased level of intelligence due to the diagram, it was possible to understand something about the nature of this conceptual world. In particular, about the illogical structure of time in this timeless world:
Further, an increase in intelligence is achieved with the help of special superpower:
But this still is not enough to understand anything but insignificant grains of knowledge in the flowchart:
And here, alienation from human nature is getting brighter:
The understanding comes that happiness is in ignorance:
Removal from human nature continues. This is what we can call the beginning of evolution into a higher order being:
Next comes a sharp jerk of understanding. Finally, we are dealing with a ladder of concepts that transcends the universe. This applies not only to the real physical world, but also to that abstract world from which the journey began:
This is what is probably physical concepts. Once again I pay attention, this is not actually physics, these are transcendental concepts that exist beyond the universe and beyond realm, that exist outside of all coordinates. Our hero is still full of confidence that he can understand everything:
Then we have a combination of such laws, the nature of forces and other abstract things:
Aspects of humanity continue to be lost:
Next we have an existential cold. So this is what can be called mental concepts. Here comes an understanding of things related to the mind/soul/heart. Since this is quite a materialistic view of the universe, this part can bring despair. The world turns out to be like an unfeeling mechanism, where there is nothing divine:
Fortunately, on the next steps, the traveler met salvation in the form of kakera of love, which came from some much more high place:
It turned out that the concept of love is not only a mere observation of primitive civilizations, but something extremely important:
This kakera gave even more understanding about the world, but this is only the first chapter:
Then there are some truths about the history of the world, about the symbiosis of material and spiritual things:
Finally, we have some serious concept. Something like infinity, even from the perspective of this level, and understand something more about this thing is impossible. Our hero is increasingly beginning to understand his limitations:
The movement continues and misunderstanding only grows. The clouds of unknowable things:
And finally it is over. The wall of absolute misunderstanding:
It is this level that is the pinnacle of human conceptualization. The visitor is already beginning to understand the problem of boredom, which is characteristic of higher being (coughWitchescough):
However, even here there is still hope. There are still unknown things. And this is still a human level. Nevertheless, this is already a transitional level, which brings a human closer to a higher level:
As Lambda tells us, one of the main differences between humans and higher beings is that they have ground under their feet. This is their advantage. That is, they do not need to make an effort to simply exist, but they do not move through the layers. They do not evolve and do not fall within their domain:
Getting back to our hero, he is at the peak of the Human Domain. So high that the lower ladder of concepts has lost its meaning. All that was below disappeared. The feeling of footing is already lost, an independent return to human nature is no longer possible:
...Though he manages to get back:
Our hero could not exceed the peak and could not find kakeras with other chapters:
And this basically gets us full circle to the begining, where Lambda says that it would be easy to make a Human into a God (i.e. Witch), but their mind would end up dispersing:
Yes, yes, that is exactly what will happen even with a man who has been at the peak of all things. And not only the higher domain is dangerous. Our hero was only at the beginning of this peak and there are many more concepts in this wall that can destroy his mind:
So, all of this is part of the Human Domain, the very bottom of the Hierarchy."
Human Domain Cosmology Size Summary
Beatrice's Catbox is an infinite-dimensional self-generating Type 3 Multiverse.
Each dimensional level/ladder step has its own Sea of Fragments with infinite Kakeras that contain concepts and hierarchical layered worlds in the same way the dimensions/ladder steps themselves do. That means each dimension/ladder step is infinite-D on its own due to having infinite hierarchical Kakeras.
There is one catbox even bigger than Beatrice's catbox that Bernkastel found.
There are countless of other catboxes (but they are most likely not infinite-dimensional).
When we combine all of these facts... The Human Domain would have two infinite sets of infinite-dimensions via both catboxes holding infinite hierarchical Kakeras in each dimension/ladder step.
If we want to give this cosmology size a name, aka something like 5-D, 6-D, infinite-D, ect, it would be something insanely stupid sounding like double infinite sets of infinite-D.
Now...
The Witches Domain
So as we saw before... the wall between the Witches Domain and the Human Domain was completely incomprehensible and beyond the ability to even begin to access, even for someone who has reached the top of the Human Domain's ladder. So to put it bluntly... the Witches Domain infinitely above the Human Domain. Yes... the double infinite sets of infinite-D Human Domain is infinitely transcended by even the lowest parts of the Witches Domain. So how big is the Witches Domain? Well the size of the Witches Domain is very simple. Like the Human Domain, it has its own ladder. Said ladder is infinite-dimensional. I'll post 2 scans that I posted earlier as a reminder:
So to put it simply... the Witches Domain is an infinite-dimensional domain that is infinitely above the Human Domain. We see that Witches basically climb the infinite-dimensional ladder to gain power and free themselves from restrictions, eventually becoming one with The Creator (god):
Basically, the higher a witch climbs the ladder/the more she reaches higher worlds (dimensions), the stronger she becomes and less restrictions she has. However there is a common misconception that someone gets weaker if they go back to a lower dimension they've previously surpassed. This is not the case. If someone in a higher dimension goes to a lower dimension, they are not weakened by going a step lower, as they have permanently surpassed that dimension by going higher. This is backed up by Bernkastel sending her forces from the City of Books (higher dimension) to the Golden Land (lower dimension) to have war with Battler's forces. If Bernkastel's army got weaker by entering the Golden Land (the lower dimension), she would've just kept them in the City of Books (higher dimension) and have them nuke everyone in the Golden Land from said higher dimension. But she didn't, because going to lower dimensions that her army already surpassed will not weaken them. I just wanted to clear up this misconception many have.
So what does the Witches Domain have in it? Well at the lowest bottomless part of the ladder, we have the Sea of Oblivion. This is a place Witches go to when they fall from the ladder, aka when they are defeated, erased, ect in most cases:
There is also Beatrice's gameboard in the Witches Domain, which contains her catbox. Her highest dimension being her Golden Land.
The Witches Domain also contains Heaven and Hell, but we know nothing about said places yet outside of a few entities from there.
And yes, there are infinite Kakeras/a Sea of Fragments in each dimension of the Witches Domain as well (as shown in earlier). Infact, half of the scans used to explain Kakeras and the Sea of Fragments in the Human Domain section was ironically from the Witches Domain, as it explains more. This leads us to the highest level of the Sea of Fragments... the City of Books (Capital of Books in the manga), the top of the Witches Domain:
The Great Witch of Theatergoing, Drama, and Spectating's Noble City of Carefully Selected Books, also referred to as the City of Books (図書の都 Tosho no Miyako?) or the Library, is a sacred realm under the supervision of the Witch Senate. It appears as a giant library, with massive shelves holding countless books picked by Featherine Augustus Aurora herself. As stated by Bernkastel, each book contains a different world, similar to Beatrice's game board. The city itself is protected by a holy barrier. Only a witch of the Senate may enter, and outsiders may only enter if they are invited.
In Twilight of the Golden Witch, the city holds the final battle between Bernkastel and Lambdadelta, Lambdadelta and Featherine, and Bernkastel and Battler + Ange.
https://umineko.fandom.com/wiki/City_of_Books
A single book in this dimension holds an entire story from lower dimensions:
This is where my unfinished RT ends. But with this, the entire cosmology up until now would be triple infinite sets of infinite-D. And this isn't even counting the Creator's Domain. So cosmology wise... we have 29-D Alex Victory Vs. triple infinite sets of infinite-D Battler Ushiromiya. lol
As for Battler's abilities... Battler has been dealing with truth manipulators who dictate the narrative of a story ever since he was 18. His fights literally are truth Vs. truth battles that decide whose reality and narrative is true. He wields the Blue Truth as a human, and is capable of battling against Beatrice (even though she is holding back) in a fight where they battle over reality and whose reality is correct by overriding each other's realities with Truths (Red and Blue respectively):
Battler also has no concept of death to where they can revive after being erased just by thinking again:
Here we have Battler reviving after Beatrice erased him:
As the Game Master, Battler's Golden Longsword is the same as the Red Key, which has these properties:
Battler also has an ability called Endless Nine, which is a state of mind to where if you don't believe in something, it will not effect you period, as you do not acknowledge it. Originally, it was meant to only deny magic and was known as anti-magic. Magic resistance/denial goes from 1 to 9 (9 being complete immunity). Battler has complete immunity on an eternal/boundless/truly infinite scale, hence the name "Endless Nine." We see him tank attacks from the Imperial Guard Corps with this:
And they are at least conceptually transcendent to his realm infinitely at the time, due to being Beatrice's servants that can manifest in the Golden Land, which is higher than where Battler at this time resided. And Ronove states that even Virgillia's Gungnir won't work on Battler in this state. However, Battler has far from perfected the ability at this point and only used it once when he was a human for a brief instance. Plus, it is restricted to him only denying magic as of this point in time.
So what about EoS/EP8 Game Master Battler? He has learned how to use Endless Nine and the Golden Truth to its fullest extent now. What is the Golden Truth? Well the Golden Truth is a Truth that has three stages. The Golden Truth can be either A: weaker than the Red Truth (aka not absolute/platonic). B: Equal to the Red Truth. Or C: When combined with Endless Nine rendering any Truth as false, it gives it free room to be the absolute Truth that no other Truths can try to conflict with since they were rendered false by Endless Nine. We don't know what level of the Golden Truth EP5-6 Battler wields, but it should at least be Red Truth level since he countered the Blue Truth in a manner similar to Red:
We have never seen him use the Golden Truth to its highest level, but we know he can since he taught/led Ange to learn how to use Endless Nine and the Golden Truth to its highest level, meaning he already knows how to. And to use the Golden Truth to its highest level, you merely need Endless Nine to use it in conjunction with the Golden Truth, which I have shown that Battler already has. Let's take a look at what Ange has done... She denies the reality where her and her family dies that the Red Truth has deemed fact/truth via her denying it with Endless Nine, and uses her own Golden Truth to make what she wants true after denying Bern's Truth with Endless Nine. (What she wants being that her family never died.) The Red Truth is absolute in terms of it is the highest Truth that can't be overriden with a more potent Truth, as it is already as potent as you can get. That means you also cannot override it by being (> insert obligatory higher-dimensional number here <). However, it can be countered by something else in this case. Absolute false (Endless Nine). Endless Nine doesn't override the Red Truth with more potency, it counters it by deeming it as not Truth in the first place. It rejects/denies the Truth as being Truth. Endless Nine can now deny things beyond just mere magic:
Ange then proceeds to one shot Bernkastel with the Golden Truth (who is far above Ange in raw power):
The weakness that Endless Nine can potentially have is due to it being a mental state. Meaning that if the user's mental state isn't 100% perfect for the ability (I.E. isn't 100% denying the target), then Endless Nine can start to get penetrated. However, this doesn't apply to Battler, as he has perfected Endless Nine and his mental state entirely to where nothing will intimidate him to where is faith wavers in denying whatever he feels like. We see him tank attacks from the Imperial Guard Corps when he was a Human, and Aurora's guards when he was the Game Master in the final battle. Both were entire dimensions above him above him. And the Overlords are far above Voyagers like Bernkastel:
Even Aurora could not interfere with Battler at this point:
And Aurora is the same person who wrote Lambdadelta out of the story:
It should be noted that Aurora didn't merely stop time, as even Human Domain entities are beyond the standard concept of standard time. She stopped reality itself as if she stopped turning the pages of a book:
She even says that she must abide by the rules that Battler has set forth, despite not being apart of his game and being far above him in raw power:
So EoS Battler wields the ultimate perfected concept of truth via the Golden Truth, and can reject anything he wants by deeming it false via Endless Nine. It ignores power levels and cosmology entirely. His attacks with his Golden Longsword erase the concept of evading, defending, or enduring. And he can think himself back into existence after death. He objectively one shots Suggverse in both cosmology and hax. Any thrown at him he will negate/render it false with Endless Nine. And they can't do anything to stop him from dropping a Golden Truth saying "Suggverse is no more." Alex Victoy by himself though? Inconceivable stomp. Battler removed all of his abilities with the Golden Truth and erases him. Battler's hax are absolute. Alex's are not.
@zgtfreak: I don't understand if something is labeled magic, why would it not be? In the novel, it clearly says the term magic, so I don't understand why there are arguments around that?
Because he says so. No matter what the scans and text say, he will respond and insist the inverse is true. This isn't a real debate, this is Freaks view vs what the scans themselves say. He is disagreeing with what Featherine herself said. And that is the mark of the end of a debate.
@zgtfreak: I don't understand if something is labeled magic, why would it not be? In the novel, it clearly says the term magic, so I don't understand why there are arguments around that?
@michaeljulius: You've been debunked enough. But here's one more:
You say Truths can only exist in Battler's gameboard? Here is Battler using Truths in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT When They Cry series from Umineko. (Credit to Ovy7 for this.) Don't believe its a different series? Look up the entire cast of Umineko and you won't find her. The series is called 7th Theater, which is a crossover of all canon WTC series.
And you are the only one who insist the opposite of what scans say, Michael...
Oh, and Ovy spotted FOUR TIMES where you called Bernkastel Beato. And you question US reading the series? Big L on your part. Someone play the Saw theme song cuz it's GAME OVER!
@zgtfreak:"25-D then. And not even a conceptually transcendent layer that treats the lower as non-existent/fiction."
I already said each and everyone did treat the lower as fiction.
It is just a mere higher infinity. Complete fodder to the previous R>F conceptually transcendent book layer dimensional tiering that the first floor used. Thus this isn't even a proper 25-D in the context of this cosmology. I'm revoking it. Still 24-D."
Just above the universe is a higher layer of reality: the metaverse. This is the term for the reality that is comprised of the set of infinite possible and impossible universes, plus the metaphysics and higher-dimension logic attendant to such a layer of reality. Here, we establish our first relative fiction - existence on a metaversal level is like living "real life" compared to the "fiction" of universal existence, which is infinitesimal in comparison.Keep that concept in mind,!!!!
Yeah.... at most 3 floor level sv maybe 4... base on every visualization of the cosmology i could find.
Again.
Human world = 3-D space + linear time = 4-D.
Supernatural world = 5-D + linear time and beyond time = 7-D
The reverse side of the board = beyond time and place of the board = 8 or 9-D
Endless undefined possibilities = 9 or 10-D
Strange shit like mirror worlds and a Fragment recursion can give even more dimensions.
The first higher layer/Sea of fragments = 10 or 11-D.
he hell is a meta-infinity?
Ewscape's End : It is the end of the Meta-Absolute Infinite.
Well it has an "end," so it isn't absolute. And until further notice, it is just another higher infinity again. Cosmology staying at 29-D still.
the Grand Principle of a "meta-infinity"is a concept that transcended the manifestation of a higher dimensional existential and nonexistential perfection of a complete unquantifiable Pure Actualism. He describe all his terms in detail.
The Mind : It is the end of meta-Imagination and all meta concepts.The Mind is the endpoint of all conceptualizations.
Ok ok. Stop right here. Let's take a pause to allow me to bring up something... Allow me to introduce you to a little thing called AUTHOR WANK. What is author wank? When an author hypes something, but gives it anti-feats that contradict and invalidate its hype. The endpoint of all conceptualizations?
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NO.
Let's take a look at the layer that comes DIRECTLY after it:
A Master Set : is the absolute assembly of all possible Worlds, with all possible and impossible laws of all disciplines of physics.Everything vacillating from all of literature, all of trans-literature, all of fan-literature, all of personal literature, all of impersonal literature, as well as our actual existence are within The Master Set.
Possibility, impossibility, concepts, laws, worlds, disciplines, physics, literature of any kind, and existence are all concepts. A concept is an idea. The imagination that conceptualized such things and brought them into existence. Even non-existence is an idea birthed from imagination and is thus a concept. So "beyond all conceptualizations" is mere author wank that he debunks in his VERY NEXT LAYER. Hell, the fact that "beyond all conceptualizations" is even a layer means that it falls under the concept of LAYERS, HIERARCHY, SIZE, SCOPE, AND SCALE!
So what does "beyond all conceptualizations" mean? It means it is beyond all concepts in the cosmology up until that point. Said concepts are not perfect, boundless, absolute, or eternal either (aka a platonic concept). So this is completely unimpressive.
The Paradise of the Rabbit's Perspective : this dimension can only be accessed by passing through The Authorscape. From this Dimension one could observe all thing mentioned above.
MORE AUTHOR WANK THAT HE HIMSELF DEBUNKED LATER ON! AND THIS ISN'T EVEN ANOTHER MERE HIGHER INFINITY! NEXT!
Remember that each level is fiction to the level above it. So there really is no contradiction. These dimension simply contains no concepts WITHIN them.
Also Alex can literally do anything his opponent can do but better. It's Endless nine vs Endless nine + 1 x Infinity x another Infinity
You must've posted the wrong link earlier. I'll read in a bit.
Turns out it was the first thing you ignored.
You're not even fully reading what I write. It started our like that and then divulged into mere infinities and bad attempts at pataphysics and platonic concepts.
Yeah.... at most 3 floor level sv maybe 4... base on every visualization of the cosmology i could find.
These are outdated fan scans. They are outdated cosmology interpretations of fans. Not only is it not official, but the guy who made that fan cosmology map will tell you it's outdated. @ovy7 Non-canon and outdated. My cosmology scans on the other hand come directly from the source material.
Edit, I meant Dark LK on VS Battles, not Ovy.
Remember that each level is fiction to the level above it. So there really is no contradiction. These dimension simply contains no concepts WITHIN them.
Also Alex can literally do anything his opponent can do but better. It's Endless nine vs Endless nine + 1 x Infinity x another Infinity
You aren't even taking the time to read my post...
@zgtfreak: ok let response and corrects some things.
first, pretty much ever ability you mention is kinda worthless and here why. Any characters that make into the forth floor and get access Lioniel or suggs law or Realm Reborn Red are completely above conceptual manipulation in all it's forms. thanks to becoming a patacharacter
Once the 4th Floor is reached, the character in question automatically turns into a pata-character.
Patacharacters are those that have transcended narrative causality; self-creating themselves into the context of themselves.
Physiology: The physiology of a Patacharacter surpasses the logical omnipotence and illogical perspective of omnipotence of doing anything without justification. Their physiology is transcendence itself; surpassing the supreme version of the principle of Metalogic and ultimate level of the principle of Pataphysics.
Capabilities: Users possess unfathomable self-creation beyond any metaphysical hierarchical reason and understanding, already achieving anything and everything without any limit, no matter how impossible or contradictory, overriding all other forces, modes, and attributes like they didn't exist at all.
And while you may argue that it's hyperbole but Immune to conceptual attacks but this is Supported by Alex feats he can destroy realms where concepts doesn't exist because he is a pata-character.
Patacharacters aren't a Tier, but rather akin to a type of self-transcendental. As one can see, even cannon fodders or characters below cannon fodder can be considered a Patacharacter.
Second
these floors aren't above the 3 or 4 floor they surround them
iQ19>8 FLOOR AND LKÉAREMNNIXIA
A number of Floors so conceptually complex that I do not have the framework to explain it adequately
Penxum Azyunder
Bethnels Demyx
Missing_Aaliyah
Tezsonance
Ceristylium
Mythrillamia
Daletvwlch
9ineReqvi Vhryanquess
so no ceptulization exist between the 3rd floor and xeranthemum
"I'll declare it in blue texts! "Yokai doesn't exist! Every phenomenon is occurred by human, coincidence and misunderstanding. People just call it Yokai's doing!"
"Yokai exists. We are here in such a universe, you know?"
I've just about had it with your potato arguments. You are literally just throwing scans in and hoping nobody reads them. Stop debating WTC now. I've literally debunked your lack of honesty. You are done.
@michaeljulius: You've been debunked enough. But here's one more:
You say Truths can only exist in Battler's gameboard? Here is Battler using Truths in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT When They Cry series from Umineko. (Credit to Ovy7 for this.) Don't believe its a different series? Look up the entire cast of Umineko and you won't find her. The series is called 7th Theater, which is a crossover of all canon WTC series.
And you are the only one who insist the opposite of what scans say, Michael...
Oh, and Ovy spotted FOUR TIMES where you called Bernkastel Beato. And you question US reading the series? Big L on your part. Someone play the Saw theme song cuz it's GAME OVER!
@emperorthanos-: Oh no, they're both banned for a month? I think people are just passionate about characters , and it turns into a killermoviethread ...
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