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Our latest Character of the Month, Wonder Woman, has defeated her first challenger, Beta Ray Bill. Will she claim victory yet again or will she be the one seeing stars this time? Well, you'll be the judge of that because your vote will help determine the outcome! This week, we're placing Wonder Woman against Skybound's powerful character, Invincible.

Will Diana's lasso and impressive hand-to-hand capabilities give her the advantage or will Mark Grayson's raw power be too much for her to overcome? You have plenty of time to give this match a good amount of thought (the poll closes Friday morning), so before you vote, please be sure to read the rules and really think this one through. Will you give Wonder Woman a second victory or do you think she'll eventually fall in this fight?

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Match Rules

  • Combatants are in character.
  • This is a random encounter (no prep for either side) and both characters have standard gear.
  • This is pre-New 52 Wonder Woman.
  • They're fighting in a generic city setting. They're in a 5x5 block area which is unpopulated, but everything around that section is full of civilians and they're both aware of this. It takes place during the day and they start roughly 100 feet apart and visible. Everything in the city (let's say the city is the size of Manhattan and surrounded by ocean) is on limits.
  • Incapacitation, knockout, BFR (battlefield removal, which means knocking someone so far away that the fight cannot continue in the very near future) or death all count as elimination. Making a tactical retreat counts as a loss, too. "What's a tactical retreat?" It's leaving the fight with the intention of not returning to the battle in the immediate future. Going to another spot in the environment to catch your breath for a moment or two or for a tactical advantage is not a tactical retreat.
  • Hey, you know what would be really cool? Treating everyone else in the debate with respect. If you think someone's saying something that just isn't true, go ahead and stick to the facts to point out why. There's no need at all to drop insults just because you disagree with someone. Seriously, this is just talking about a fictional fight, there's no need for immaturity and mudslinging.
  • If you think the poll isn't going how it should, making an informative post about why a character is being underestimated and spreading the word is far more useful than complaining. Just saying.
  • One more thing: you don't need to write an essay to have your post highlighted in Friday's article. Sometimes concise posts can be way more effective than a flood of paragraphs.
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Made up your mind yet? Cool, here's the poll! If you have any trouble, try refreshing the page or voting via a different browser.

Check the homepage this Friday for an updated article with the following:

  • The results of the poll.
  • Thoughts from the staff.
  • Viner Arguments for both characters.
  • If we're lucky, blurbs from industry talent.

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#1 Posted by Boynerdgeek (2733 posts) - - Show Bio

When we will get Wonder Woman vs Mera or Wonder Woman vs Big Barda

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#2 Posted by Pokeysteve (12017 posts) - - Show Bio

Gahhh can't vote this week. Don't know anything about her opponent and a week isn't enough to get to know him well enough.

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#3 Posted by meatwadf (671 posts) - - Show Bio

When we will get Wonder Woman vs Mera or Wonder Woman vs Big Barda

They seem to like to mix it up with fights involving characters that normally wouldn't be in a crossover. IIRC, She's fought Barda in the past, anyway.

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#4 Posted by the_stegman (40142 posts) - - Show Bio

Ends in--Wonder Woman winning.

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#5 Edited by Impervious (5603 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana takes this. Sure, Mark is powerful in his own right and has insane pain tolerance but then He lacks the skill and experience that Wonder Woman has

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#6 Edited by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

uhh, I know of Invincible, but know nothing about him (his symbol is neat though)

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#7 Posted by senglord (2773 posts) - - Show Bio

This is not some nerfed analog, so the Omni Blitz means nothing.

And it comes down to experience and gear, and WW has the gear.

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#8 Posted by bladewolf (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

Way I see it: Invincible has gotten his rear-end handed to him by stronger Viltrumites. As most people can agree, Viltrumites are loosely based on Kryptonians. We've seen Wonder Woman go toe-to-toe with (and even BEAT) Superman several times in Pre-New 52; never has Superman utterly obliterated her in combat. Thus, I'd wager that Wonder Woman will take out Invincible, probably not easily, but at the very least will have the upper hand for the majority of fights. I'd give it to her 8/10.

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#9 Posted by reaverlation (25843 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana

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#10 Posted by w0nd (6803 posts) - - Show Bio

I think wonder woman simply because of skill. A skilled Vultrimite woman made mark her bitch, wonder woman would do the same. Mark seems to be a brawler...I don't recall him being trained other than training himself.

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#11 Posted by Karazyn (888 posts) - - Show Bio

bad choice to pick pre nu52 wonder woman........ if it was nu52 it would be more of a fight, but pre nu52 wonder woman went fairly even with many other powerhouses pre 52 reboot........ and they've all been more powerful than invincible is now and probably ever will be........... invincible's durability is simply too low to compete with them.......... imagine invincible flying at a high speed and colliding with a planet...... he would die...... even more powerful viltrumites would die....... they needed a plot device to destroy a planet and even when they were far, far away from the planets explosion the planet took all of them out, even the most powerful on the battlefield (if i remember correctly)......... that shows how the durability in that universe is.........
also you've given them standard gear, which for invincible means pretty much nothing and wonder woman has often been seen with a sword........ even in one of the op pictures and we all know how soft invincible's flesh is....... every time he is in a fight...... he gets bloodied up and loses his organs.......

pre nu52 wonder woman is stronger, faster, more durable and more skilled........ and she has the gear advantage over invincible........ this is a terrible match up....... invincible is way out of his league in this one......

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#12 Edited by dotwilson (334 posts) - - Show Bio

Ends in Invincible winning and then gets indefinitely suspended from the NFL...

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#13 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43020 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman very handily

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#14 Posted by MinkoAk (42 posts) - - Show Bio

Oblivious me has just realized that Mark's costume makes the same looking "i" as the Image logo...

As far as the fight... Invincible is not experienced enough and I guess he would have lost before he could get it together to beat Wonder Woman.

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#15 Edited by Man_of_Miracles (3551 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly I don't believe that Mark has anything strength wise on Pre-52 Diana as she has proven time and time again to be able to hold her own with heavy hitters such as Superman who have strength and durability feats that far surpass those demonstrated by Mark.

In addition to Pre-52 WW being on par or possibly greater than Mark strength she is also on par or greater than him in combat speed, far outstrips him in skill and has superior standard equipment with her lasso and bracelets.

In the end I believe WW easily matches up to Invincible in stats and outstrips him in other departments giving her a solid majority of wins.

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#16 Posted by k4tzm4n (41737 posts) - - Show Bio
@meatwadf said:

@boynerdgeek said:

When we will get Wonder Woman vs Mera or Wonder Woman vs Big Barda

They seem to like to mix it up with fights involving characters that normally wouldn't be in a crossover. IIRC, She's fought Barda in the past, anyway.

Correctamundo, meatwadf. If WW vs BB or Mera doesn't exist in the Battles Forum, you're more than welcome to make it over there, boynerdgeek.

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#17 Posted by Boynerdgeek (2733 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by Radx_Konkin75 (141 posts) - - Show Bio

Who?

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#19 Edited by comic_book_fan (11237 posts) - - Show Bio

i would say mark is a hair stronger and faster but wonder woman is more skilled and has the weapons to gain victory she also has a big heart though she might hold back against the kid and reason with him this one is close.

to be honest i already voted invincible or i would say wonder woman.

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#20 Posted by Owie (7172 posts) - - Show Bio

It's cool to see tparks' suggestion make it into the BOTW. I don't really know anything about Invincible but it will be interesting to read the debate and do some research over the course of the week before voting.

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#21 Posted by Impervious (5603 posts) - - Show Bio

@radx_konkin75: Invincible. Basically considered as Image's version of Superman

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#22 Posted by Boynerdgeek (2733 posts) - - Show Bio

@impervious: Supreme is Image's version of Superman I believe

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#23 Posted by deactivated-5c9535a734784 (2578 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a big fan of Mark but I gotta give this to pre new 52 wondy. She's got the strength and speed to go head to head with superman and has got the combat skills to outclass Mark. That being said Mark won't go down easy. It'll be a tough fight but Diana takes the majority.

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#25 Posted by TearoftheDragon (420 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Invincible have any feats where he defeats vastly experienced warriors? I don't really know the character well but from what I have seen this would be WW's big advantage. Anyone show me otherwise before I vote?

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#26 Posted by laflux (24723 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see this being all that close TBH.

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#27 Posted by unBREAKable_Fs4 (4316 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman.

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#28 Posted by dagmar_merrill (12701 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless I am missing something, Diana stomps.

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#29 Edited by Impervious (5603 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: I think you should have added Kid Omni Man alongside Invincible. Would at least make it a closer. Mark's just not on Diana's level yet. Like that time you had Cyclops vs Nightwing/Robin

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#30 Edited by k4tzm4n (41737 posts) - - Show Bio

Two things:

1) Went with pre-52 WW because New 52 Wonder Woman doesn't have that many feats.

2) Even if you think the outcome is obvious, the whole point of this segment is to enjoy thinking about how it plays out, share knowledge with others, and have fun talking about it. But if you find more pleasure in just limiting your involvement to something like, "___ stomps," then you're free to do that, slacker.

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#31 Posted by laflux (24723 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

2) Even if you think the outcome is obvious, the point is to have enjoy thinking about how it plays out, share knowledge with others, and have fun talking about it.

Fair enough.

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#32 Posted by dagmar_merrill (12701 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Invincible have any feats where he defeats vastly experienced warriors? I don't really know the character well but from what I have seen this would be WW's big advantage. Anyone show me otherwise before I vote?

He beat his superior in Conquest once.

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#33 Posted by Jacthripper (14906 posts) - - Show Bio

We all know what happens between Mark and a beautiful super powered women

He dies, new 52 would be a better match

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#36 Edited by TrueMarvel (578 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n

I think from now on for competitiveness sake, All of WWs combatants need to have extensive combat skills. Pre-New 52 WW is so skilled in combat, her versus just about anybody who lacks any such skill is kind of predictable. Doesn't matter how strong or fast or invulnerable you are if you can't land a killer blow on a person who clearly outmatches you.

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#37 Posted by TrueMarvel (578 posts) - - Show Bio

Invincible survived a planet exploding at point blank range without a scratch. Does WW have a similar feat?

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#38 Posted by BlackLegRaph (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know enough to cast a vote.

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#39 Posted by dagmar_merrill (12701 posts) - - Show Bio

@tearofthedragon: I am kind of fuzzy on the details but Conquest had taken over a couple of planets before fighting Mark. So he was pretty experienced IIRC.

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#41 Posted by kivatt (333 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman is too much. What really decides this for me is her fighting knowledge. It's too much for Invincible to handle, that coupled with her weapons a real threat. That Tiara could easily down him like it did Superman. Diana is too strong.

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#42 Posted by Black_Arrow (10251 posts) - - Show Bio

Invincible in a battle of the week? So damn cool. But I think It would have been more fair against new 52 Wonder woman.

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#43 Edited by k4tzm4n (41737 posts) - - Show Bio

@truemarvel said:

@k4tzm4n

I think from now on for competitiveness sake, All of WWs combatants need to have extensive combat skills. Pre-New 52 WW is so skilled in combat, her versus just about anybody who lacks any such skill is kind of predictable. Doesn't matter how strong or fast or invulnerable you are if you can't land a killer blow on a person who clearly outmatches you.

The other matches being considered (there's 1 or 2 left), involve Diana taking on a team and/or taking on a powerful, popular character. I'm obviously a little out of my comfort zone when it comes to powerhouse battles -- they're far more difficult to balance, especially if you want to avoid the cliche -- so before making any of these, I always consult with others (in this case, it was an Invincible expert) on whether they think it's fun to discuss and has the potential to be entertaining.

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#44 Posted by SynCig (1105 posts) - - Show Bio

I have read the first trade of Invincible with the intention of continuing it at some point but as it stands my knowledge base is not large enough to properly judge. I assume the character has grown in skill and experience. Based on the first trade Wonder Woman would stomp him but as I don't know what has developed of the character since, I can't say one way or the other. Sorry @k4tzm4n! I'll be spending way too much time playing Dragon Age Inquisition to be able to properly study up on character feats and other related information this week.

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#45 Edited by Cap10nate (3629 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark took out Conquest which was one of the Viltrumite top fighters. He had some help from Eve to turn the tide after she revived herself and hit Conquest with a blast. Below is how Mark finished off conquest. If you have not read this fight, you really should. It is basically 4 issues of all out brawl that culminates in one of the most brutal splash pages.

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They also fought again after Conquest escaped his captivity and Mark proceeded to strangle him even while being disemboweled during the Viltrumite War.

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As for Mark being raped by female Viltrumite. He was not in fighting spirits whenever that happened. He had just been betrayed by Robot and forced into another dimension for several months. When he got out, he was told by the love of his life that was carrying his child that she was through with him. He was completely dejected, and if you have read Invincible, you know that he really needs to be angry to fight his best. The female Viltrumite is no slouch either as she survived the Viltrumite War.

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#46 Posted by Black_Arrow (10251 posts) - - Show Bio

I will try to make a case for Invicible later on this week. (I will probably wait to read issue 115 while it won´t focus on Invincible It may give better feats to his opponents).

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#47 Edited by Perfect 10 (1655 posts) - - Show Bio

dont think i've ever seen invincible in one of these battles. and dont know how magic would (or if it does) effect him cause she could take him down with the lasso. plus she has the advantage of her fighting skills and if we are using the new 52 wonder woman: goddess of war. going with wonder woman for the win, just not enough info on invincible to make an argument for him

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#48 Posted by Perfect 10 (1655 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: wikipedia is your friend. and you are on comicvine, you can find out a lot about invincible in time to vote

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#49 Posted by mightypug78 (375 posts) - - Show Bio

remember. A mindless voter is a sucky voter. Dont forget to do your research before you vote.

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#50 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (45774 posts) - - Show Bio

Anybody who doesn't know or hasn't read Invincible should be ashamed for themselves