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Posted by emperorthanos- (16328 posts) 3 months, 4 days ago

Poll: Battle of the Week: Darkseid vs Avengers (69 votes)

Darkseid 55%
Avengers 39%
Too Close to Call 6%
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Rules

  • Combatants are in character.
  • This is a random encounter (no prep for either side) and both characters have standard gear. Post Crisis, New 52 Darkseid. 616 Avengers, Worthy Thor, Post Sakaar Hulk, current versions for the rest.
  • They're fighting in a generic city setting. It takes place during the day and they start roughly 100 feet apart and visible. Everything in the city (let's say the city is the size of Manhattan and surrounded by ocean) is on limits.
  • Incapacitation, knockout, BFR (battlefield removal, which means knocking someone so far away that the fight cannot continue in the very near future) or death all count as elimination. Making a tactical retreat counts as a loss, too. "What's a tactical retreat?" It's leaving the fight with the intention of not returning to the battle in the immediate future. Going to another spot in the environment to catch your breath for a moment or two or for a tactical advantage is not a tactical retreat.
  • Treating everyone else in the debate with respect is a sign of a good debater. If you think someone's saying something that just isn't true, go ahead and stick to the facts to point out why. There's no need at all to drop insults just because you disagree with someone. This is just talking about a fictional fight, there's no need for immaturity and mudslinging about fan fic.
  • If you think the votes aren't going how they should, making an informative post about why a character is being underestimated and spreading the word is far more useful than complaining.
  • One more thing: you don't need to write an essay to have your post highlighted in Friday's article. Sometimes concise posts can be way more effective than a flood of paragraphs. Viner posts that stand out will be included at the end.
  • Votes last till late Friday, and the votes will be posted in the OP to see where combatants stand by Friday. Votes do not determine who wins, only who the majority at the time sides with.

Special thanks to @k4tzm4n for allowing me and other users to continue making these battle of the week threads.

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#2 Posted by Motifian (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid

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#3 Posted by FaradaySloth (9144 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh I'm keeping my eye on this one.

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#4 Posted by XxDarknessxX (296 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless Ironman has enough prep time, Darkseid would destroy these weaklings, only Thor would put a good fight, indestructible hulk is not one of hulk’s most powerful incarnations,I could see Hercules getting some shots but he would also get destroyed eventually.

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#5 Posted by Owie (7175 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting. I'm by no means a Darkseid expert so I'm saying this more as a guess than anything. I'd assume that the bricks are not going to fare well. But Monica Rambeau and Sersi might have a chance, depending on what Darkseid's defenses are. First, Rambeau might be able to fly in his eyes and attack his brain from the inside, as she wanted to do to Thanos. But I think that would be defeated one way or the other. But Sersi is a pretty powerful matter manipulator, and I am guessing that she would be able to transform him into dirt unless he is able to resist that kind of thing.

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#6 Posted by Supermanthor (18704 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Posted by shirso (3993 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid should win.

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#8 Edited by WollfMyth209 (16484 posts) - - Show Bio

Half of them get one-shotted immediately. The others fall eventually to Uxas' haxx and raw power.

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#9 Posted by The_Red_Devil (4744 posts) - - Show Bio

I will back The Avengers in a good fight.

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#10 Edited by Co-Boss (442 posts) - - Show Bio

Alot of factors in this fight but I think most don't matter. Quicksilver will get tagged and one shotted quickly as darkseid tags speedsters regularly that are way faster than silver. Iron Man will need prep to be able to help the team here and the bricks are all out-statted. Those that are strong enough to contend physically get Omega beamed and either erased or taken down by them. Rambeau and sersi will be the MVPs for their teams but nonetheless neither have what it takes to put down darkseid. Darkseid mid-diff

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#11 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10110 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard fight for Darksied. Omega beams have a field day with half the team, the other half gets taken out. No one here can put down a blood lusted Darkseid with these feats, he wins in a good battle.

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#12 Edited by Aqualion0 (1653 posts) - - Show Bio

On at least one occasion, Darkseid has shown to be able to tag Flash , so Quicksilver's speed won't be big deal. Sersi is versatile but I highly doubt that her transmutation is gonna work against Darkseid. Hercules doesn't have any TP resistance at all. He got brainwashed with some machine in Champions series. Hulk gets backhanded alongside with Hyperion. Thor alone doesn't stand any chance , not to mention his damage output is not that good against highly durable characters like Darky. Monica tries same thing she did against Thanos and gets overwhelmed with TP. Tony is nonfactor. Single Omega Beam and he's done.

Darkseid is.

Winner

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#13 Posted by tensor (8442 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody here is in his class.

Darkseid easy.

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#14 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10110 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by jt_gh (1148 posts) - - Show Bio

Did Darkseid's standard form get stronger these last few runs? I mean there's at least three or four ppl on the team who can fight Superman who routinely goes up against Darkseid.

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#16 Edited by Mister_Surreal (10110 posts) - - Show Bio

@jt_gh: Jobberseid pimp slaps Superman when he is serious.

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#17 Posted by Supermanthor (18704 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by Helloman (29574 posts) - - Show Bio

The Avengers win.

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#19 Posted by APEX_pretador (20217 posts) - - Show Bio
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#20 Posted by King-Ragnar (3836 posts) - - Show Bio

They're took weak to actually do anything to him.

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#21 Posted by blackpantherisb (7103 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid steamrolls this team.

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#22 Posted by shirso (3993 posts) - - Show Bio

I am interested to see the case made for the Avengers.

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#23 Posted by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of the Avengers aren't really factors so it basically comes down to Thor, Hulk and Spectrum. I don't exactly know what Darkseid can do to tag Spectrum but he should be able to overpower Thor and Hulk combined.

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#24 Posted by Gracetrack (4638 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.

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#25 Posted by Kevd4wg (12695 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

Most of the Avengers aren't really factors so it basically comes down to Thor, Hulk and Spectrum. I don't exactly know what Darkseid can do to tag Spectrum but he should be able to overpower Thor and Hulk combined.

Why not Sersi as well?

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#26 Posted by Wyldsong (9749 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#27 Posted by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio
@kevd4wg said:
@lvenger said:

Most of the Avengers aren't really factors so it basically comes down to Thor, Hulk and Spectrum. I don't exactly know what Darkseid can do to tag Spectrum but he should be able to overpower Thor and Hulk combined.

Why not Sersi as well?

Sersi is basically a glass cannon. She might be able to do something to Darkseid, I don't know all of her showings, but she's getting one shotted before she can do anything.

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#28 Edited by TheKinfing (11729 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Darkseid Omega Beams have several confirmed light speed+ feats? Can they really not tag Spectrum?

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#29 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15802 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid without much trouble tbh

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#30 Posted by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekinfing: I know Post Crisis Darkseid has lightspeed Omega Beam feats but which ones are you referring to? Also it's Spectrum's intangibility which might prove problematic. Though Darkseid may have affected intangible beings before, in which case my point is moot.

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#31 Posted by IntoTheVoid (1295 posts) - - Show Bio

Spectrum, Thor and Hulk is all that's needed.

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#32 Posted by BreakOfDawn (1988 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk, worthy Thor, Hyperion, Quicksilver and Hercules are the only real factors in this fight as everyone else will be one-shotted by the omega beams.

As for these guys, they might be able to take Darkseid down if they prevent him from using the omega beams continuously. If not, they lose.

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#33 Edited by TheKinfing (11729 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Well i'm not the most knowledgeable guy on Darkseid but i have seen atleast a couple of instances where his omega beams move at above light speed, the most well known example as i'm sure you know is from Final Crisis #7 where they kept up with Barry and Wally moving at superluminal speeds.

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There's also the one from Superman vol. 2 #173 he fired them from Apokolipsis and they managed to reach out solar system in what appears to be seconds at worst.

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On top of that even if Spectrum where to go intangible Uxas could force her to materialized again as he did against Secret during Young Justice #55.

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Not to mention that they have already tag a speedster that i would wager is at least relative to Monica, Lightray.

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The New Gods vol. 2 #6

Considering the fact that Lightray should have logically be moving at top speed and that he gained a confirmed light speed feat two issues later and another light speed feat five issues after that, then i believe this scaling to be valid.

Unless Monica brings more to the table i don't see her as being much of a factor, to be honest.

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#34 Posted by deactivated-5c60dc252a2af (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid bitch slaps.

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#35 Posted by IntoTheVoid (1295 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope people realize that Monica doesn't just turn intangible, she can turn completely invisible, Darkseid wouldn't even be able to see her.

I've only just begun to look into her character and i am not even kidding when i say she is as dangerous as someone like Surfer, possibly even more so and i wouldn't say this lightly.

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#36 Posted by KalKent (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

Spectrum, Thor and Hulk is all that's needed.

A non jobbing darkseid would body thor and hulk. No idea about spectrum.

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#37 Posted by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekinfing: It wasn't stated where Apokolips was in the solar system at the time so I'm not sure of the distance the Omega Beams had to travel for the Our Worlds at War instance. The other two I do recognise though and coupled with the Secret instance, that might be enough to remove Spectrum from the fight as well.

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#38 Edited by Shyan (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid One-shots.

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#39 Posted by phillip33 (4097 posts) - - Show Bio

I think lightray and sersis hax could cause poblems and I think hulk and Thor’s raw physicals are enough to harm him. Not sure on the outcome.

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#40 Posted by Cergic (1132 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers. Superman alone rivals uxas for some reason at times. And superman gets creamed by the avengers.

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#41 Posted by Azazole (74 posts) - - Show Bio

@undefined: Man... that Avengers team doesnt have enough heavy hitters to do much

That is Hickman's Avenger Hulk... who wasnt really all that powerful. Hyperion and Thor are the only ones who last long enough to matter. And i think they both fall pretty quickly.

Outside of Ironman pulling some genius tech involved plan out of his ass, none Jobbing Darkseid takes this 9/10

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#42 Posted by IntoTheVoid (1295 posts) - - Show Bio

@azazole: That's actually Indestructible Hulk who was pretty powerful, was even confirmed to be the strongest Avengers by Hickman himself.

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#43 Posted by Azazole (74 posts) - - Show Bio

@intothevoid: Seriously? I thought he was the one that got punched into going back to Banner by Hyperion. Though i guess that is more a feat for Hyperion than a disservice to Hulk.

Even then Thanos seemed to be more than a match for those powerhouses (yeah he had help from the Cull Obsidian). So i just have to go for Darkseid, who (WHEN NOT JOBBING) is more powerful

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#44 Posted by Darth_Nimrod (2758 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't Quasar an Avenger once? He would definitely be a better option than Quicksilver...

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#45 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

Why can't Sersi transmutate Darkseid? Will need feats, not statements

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#46 Posted by IntoTheVoid (1295 posts) - - Show Bio

@azazole said:

@intothevoid: Seriously? I thought he was the one that got punched into going back to Banner by Hyperion. Though i guess that is more a feat for Hyperion than a disservice to Hulk.

Even then Thanos seemed to be more than a match for those powerhouses (yeah he had help from the Cull Obsidian). So i just have to go for Darkseid, who (WHEN NOT JOBBING) is more powerful

No it wasn't because that, people already asked Hickman, the reason he reverted back to Banner was because Abyss lost control over him.

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Hickman later was asked who was the strongest Avenger on his team and he was confused why even question when it's been well established by now that Hulk is the strongest one.

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I think people still underestimate what Spectrum can do here.

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#47 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (11088 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid steamrolls this team.

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#48 Posted by Batvibe12 (5637 posts) - - Show Bio

Can Darkseid's omega beams effect Monica.

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#49 Posted by Azazole (74 posts) - - Show Bio

@intothevoid: thank u for the clarification man. Got a freshen up on that run, Any excuse to reread Hickman's Avengers is welcomed tho

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#50 Posted by Noone1996 (11657 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid can beat Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. This is a mismatch.