Lets put it this way. These guys are so smart that when Black Adam was right at their doorstep, Morrow was bidding on Ebay (and hacking the guy's bank account so he wouldn't have to pay for it), Sivana was leaning back in his chair making fun of the lesser scientists and Magnus and Veronica Cale were having sex. That's how confident they were about being able to beat a guy who had just murdered a country.
And then they did.
Though to be fair, Cale was just turned on by the idea of a seeming unstoppable killer out to get them.
"Lets put it this way. These guys are so smart that when Black Adam was right at their doorstep, Morrow was bidding on Ebay (and hacking the guy's bank account so he wouldn't have to pay for it), Sivana was leaning back in his chair making fun of the lesser scientists and Magnus and Veronica Cale were having sex. That's how confident they were about being able to beat a guy who had just murdered a country.
And then they did.
Though to be fair, Cale was just turned on by the idea of a seeming unstoppable killer out to get them."
The only difference is that Doom would be doing this all himself, lol
"Lets put it this way. These guys are so smart that when Black Adam was right at their doorstep, Morrow was bidding on Ebay (and hacking the guy's bank account so he wouldn't have to pay for it), Sivana was leaning back in his chair making fun of the lesser scientists and Magnus and Veronica Cale were having sex. That's how confident they were about being able to beat a guy who had just murdered a country.
And then they did.
Though to be fair, Cale was just turned on by the idea of a seeming unstoppable killer out to get them."
lol. They weren't confident at all, they were all collectively crapping their pants, except for Morrow.
"lol. They weren't confident at all, they were all collectively crapping their pants, except for Morrow. "
And Sivana. And Will Magnus.
Static Shock said:
"lordraiden said:
"Ya didn't read 52, aparantly :-)"
Nah. Read Countdown."
I'm sorry. Should have read 52. It had DC's best writers on it. Countdown featured DC's worst. Plus characters like the Question and Ralph Dibney are more interesting than Jason Todd and Jimmy Olsen. ;-)
Lunacyde said:
I am not pretending...he is. And he could take on Black Adam, with prep time anyway.
You're kidding yourself. Have you ever read a single comic with T O Morrow in it? Can you honestly say you know how smart he is and can thus say he's smarter than Doom? No?
Well I've read comics with both and Morrow is several times smarter than Doom.
As for Doom taking on Black Adam, that'd simply never happen. Adam moves at almost the speed of light, much too fast for Doom to react to. Like I said. Doom would be dead before he could blink.
The speed of light is also too fast for Morrow to react to....yet somehow he took him down.
I will admit i have never read anything with Morrow in it but i have read from several sources about him and if he was that smart then he would have accomplished more.
When he takes on an entire Pantheon of Gods and beats them, conquers the world multiple times, and takes on the single most powerful (and omnipotent) being in the multiverse and holds his own.....THEN you have an argument.
"The speed of light is also too fast for Morrow to react to....yet somehow he took him down."
Because he had already been weakened and blinded by the other members of the science squad. Could Morrow take down Black Adam on his own? Maybe. But even he'd need a heck of a lot of prep and distance.
Lunacyde said:
"I will admit i have never read anything with Morrow in it."
Then how would you have ANY CLUE WHATSOEVER who is smarter?
If you don't know what you're talking about, do us all a favor and shut up.
"The speed of light is also too fast for Morrow to react to....yet somehow he took him down."
Because he had already been weakened and blinded by the other members of the science squad. Could Morrow take down Black Adam on his own? Maybe. But even he'd need a heck of a lot of prep and distance.
Lunacyde said:
"I will admit i have never read anything with Morrow in it."
Then how would you have ANY CLUE WHATSOEVER who is smarter?
If you don't know what you're talking about, do us all a favor and shut up."
How did the other members weaken and blind him before he just smashed thier heads in? If he is moving nearly the speed of light none of them would stand a chance....
I would have a clue because i have read about his accomplishments and he has never accomplished anything more impressive than Doom. I am really trying to be civil and nice....You arent someone I expected to insult others....oh well it makes no difference. I just find it hard to believe that you are always right when it comes to things that can't be proven one way or the other. If you could give me a specific feat of intelligence that Morrow has shown that is beyond something that Doom could do then I will "shut up" as you said.
Insulting the other debater is the #1 sign of lacking an argument...I am not saying you lack an argument just letting you know what it looks like to everyone else when you just lash out and insult instead of just proving your claim. Just saying you have read both and you think one is smarter is not proof.
Besides I didnt say I knew nothing about him. I said I havent read any actual books he was in ..there is a big difference. I didnt actually know George Washington , but I have read about him and I know a lot about him.
All I am asking is to quit avoiding my argument...All I am asking is you to defend your claim instead of shifting the attention to other things.
What arguement? That Doom beat gods? Gee. Did he beat them in a standardized test? A science fair? Is Heimdal known for his genius and invention?
Or did Doom just beat them by using magic?
And conquering the world? How did that display his genius? Choosing to attack on Phoenix's day off? That'd be a pretty smart choice.
You gotta understand, there aren't super geniuses on Marvel earth like there are on DC. You've got Doom, Richards, High Evolutionary, Sinister, Zola....and then you start scraping the bottom of the barrel with characters like Dark Beast.
DC has people like Doctor Sivana, a completely normal human that takes on Captain freaking Marvel. A guy who is so smart he can walk through walls. Not with a device. Not with a super power or magic. He just figured out a mathmatical equation that lets him walk through walls. And that guy is pissed at Morrow for looking into the future and inventing things before he can think of them. Morrow first created artificial souls.
In a world full of people that take on kryptonian level good guys with just their brains, Morrow is right at the top of the heap.
Doom is a completely normal human.....and he has accomplished all of these things with what?....with his intelligence....intelligence isnt merely reserved for science......there are many different kinds of intelligence ....drop them both of naked with nothing in a wild world and see who survives....that takes intelligence.....I 'll say theyre a stalemate.I have to go ill be back later.
Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Dr. Doom, Dr. Strange, T'Challa, Norman Osborne, High Evolutionary, Beast, Professor X, then you can start looking at Peter Parker, Doc Ock, Mandarin, possibly Forge and Magneto... There are a number of others could be used here as well, an entire host of villains no doubt...
Strange could well be considered smarter than Doom or at least on par with Doom, if in different areas of genius, as he has countered threats to reality and the world and Universe on his own.
forge isent on there its not through study that he knows how to make those things its through his x gene he dosent have to open a book or site page to do it nor dose he need to referace anything its isent 2+2=4 its =4.
and magneto and doom are more up on the list. still seeing what the other guys brought i would say it depends on u defenition of intellegence is it capacity for learing or knowlage obtained?
That would be up to whoever set up the match I think. Yeah, I wasn't necessarily trying to do it in order although I tried to keep the real geniuses in the first half.
I guess there are a hundred different ways you could look at this really.
@Zoom I meant he is completely human becaus eh has no superpowers.He was born a normal human just like T.O. Morrow. He just applied himself to learning more than strictly science and math. Everything he has, has been learned, so I would say thats all intelligence. To me learning mathematical equations doesnt seem much different from learning spells, both take high amounts of intelligence. But yes I get your point.
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