Battle of stongest shinigamis (Good Guys ) : Yamamoto vs Ichibei vs Unohana

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Morals off

Takes place in Clover Kingdom

Who wins ?

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Ichibei easily.

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Unohana shouldn't be here tbh it should be 0 division members however ichibei reigns supreme

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Unohana is fodder here obviously, Ichibei takes it in the end.

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There are a couple of captains who should be here over unohana but Ichibei slaps these two

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#7  Edited By Raziel2014

this has been done already, iChibei is the strongest pure Shinigami and the leader of all Shinigami, just by reading the manga you can see that he is far stronger than Yamamoto as his base stats were already beating the crap out of Yhwach while Yamamoto got instantly killed.

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Also Unohana literally lost to Kenpachi in Muken. I don't know if you know this but that was before we saw him use his shikai or bankai so unless Unohana let herself die for no good reason, she should not be anywhere near this battle. Adult Toshiro, Byakuya, Shunsui, Kisuke(not technically a shinigami anymore but could take Retsu). Yama got wrecked by base yhwach who Ichibei then slapped around. Ichibei one shots both of them

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@jrazzle20 said:

Also Unohana literally lost to Kenpachi in Muken. I don't know if you know this but that was before we saw him use his shikai or bankai so unless Unohana let herself die for no good reason, she should not be anywhere near this battle. Adult Toshiro, Byakuya, Shunsui, Kisuke(not technically a shinigami anymore but could take Retsu). Yama got wrecked by base yhwach who Ichibei then slapped around. Ichibei one shots both of them

yes while she did get killed is unknown in what state she was in after all she was healing and killing kenpachi over and over, her reaitsu must of bottom out long before she got killed, so unless there is a filler Anime episode on their entire fight this would remain as unknown.

is impossible for Unohana to be weaker than Byakuya/Yorouchi, and EOS Byakuya in Bankai > Shikai Kenpachi during the manga.

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@raziel2014: Why is it impossible for Byakuya after his time with squad 0 to defeat Unohana?

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Ichibe T-Poses on the two black ants

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#14  Edited By Raziel2014

@jrazzle20 said:

@raziel2014: Why is it impossible for Byakuya after his time with squad 0 to defeat Unohana?

that is because his reaitsu/power is comparable to Yorouchi and Yorouchi is not stronger than Unohana nor Shunsui.

Unohana is featless and most of her power was used to awaken Kenpachi.

Unohana base power was superior to Early War Kenpachi who is > Base Yorouchi.

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Unohana is only here because she’s one of the oldest Shinigami in the division.

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It's a shame Unohana's abilities weren't fully explored. If her Bankai is what I think it is, acid that can damage her opponents but heal herself, it would be justifiable to put her as top 3.

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Unohana doesn't belong here. Ichibei would win with ease.

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Ichibei in a massive spite. There is no shinigami with a degree of hax remotely similar to Yhwach. The only two shinigami that can arguably beat Ichibei are Ichigo and Aizen as a large enough gap in reiatsu grants resistance towards any considerable lesser power.

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@raziel2014: What makes you say yoruichi or kuchiki are below unohana in spiritual pressure? There was never a direct comparison made all we know is that her spiritual pressure was roughly equal to bankai ichigo with only half of his shihaksho. That ichigo did way worse against aizen and co than yoruichi and others did. Unohana is definitely stronger than start of war Kenny but Kenny using his shikai is a massive power up from the Kenny unohana was wrecking repeatedly

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Ichibei > Old Man Yamamoto > Unohana

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@citgo: But that wouldn’t kill characters significantly more powerful than himself, such as ichibei. Aizen explained that with a large enough difference in spiritual pressure one can overcome the abilities of weaker opponents, even if they are had techniques. Such as Aizen no selling soi fons two hit kill shikai. Ichibei should have a much greater amount of reiatsu than Yama so he will survive yama’s heat although that would melt unohana

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@gilateen: dont Underestimate Unohana

She is a monster and better Swordsman and fighter than both of them not to mention she could make Yamamoto go to his bankai but by that time it's over

I'd say Yamamoto

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@jrazzle20 said:

Also Unohana literally lost to Kenpachi in Muken. I don't know if you know this but that was before we saw him use his shikai or bankai so unless Unohana let herself die for no good reason, she should not be anywhere near this battle. Adult Toshiro, Byakuya, Shunsui, Kisuke(not technically a shinigami anymore but could take Retsu). Yama got wrecked by base yhwach who Ichibei then slapped around. Ichibei one shots both of them

yes while she did get killed is unknown in what state she was in after all she was healing and killing kenpachi over and over, her reaitsu must of bottom out long before she got killed, so unless there is a filler Anime episode on their entire fight this would remain as unknown.

is impossible for Unohana to be weaker than Byakuya/Yorouchi, and EOS Byakuya in Bankai > Shikai Kenpachi during the manga.

Bottom out? The only instance ever in the entire series of someone exhausting their reiatsu is when Isshin held back the restructive currents if the dangai for 3 months which is a task for atleast a dozen shinigami to perform for a few minutes. The vizards wore stealth gigais which repel reishi from the outside so they couldn't replenish spirit energy for a century, that only pushed them from released Starrk level to base Grimmjow level. Unohana's power wouldn't diminish one bit during her fight with Kenpachi, he was just that much stronger than her such that he could take on her bankai while his sword was still sealed. Call it what you want but Unohana would never truly give up her title to someone who couldn't defeat her at her best. He could in the past, and he could in Muken.

EOS Byakuya easily blocked an attack from Volständig Gerard. That feat sorta instantly dictates him holding back in every single fight post RG. It's in his nature too since even in HM arc, he'd rather hold himself back to Zommari's level of spirit energy and use pure skill to defeat him while he was already as strong as Yammy. SS arc when he went bankai, he held his spiritual pressure back and that caused his perception to be insufficient to react to Ichigo's bankai. He stopped dicking around when he confirmed that he truly was using the full power of a bankai.

In terms of spirit energy, Byakuya and Kenpachi are identical. Kenpachi is just that dude while even with a sealed sword, one would make the mistake that he's wielding the power of a bankai. Even on equal spiritual pressure, his brute strength is so high, he could still shatter the blade of an equal, it gets much worse in shikai and very ridiculous in bankai.

Byakuya used bankai against Gerard because of the nature of Gerards power. Byakuya's shikai was now actually as deadly as a bankai but all sternritters in base were already as deadly as the power of a bankai. Surely Gerard's level of battle efficiency is even higher than that. Byakuya used bankai not for an edge in spiritual pressure, but for an edge in battle efficiency. So even then he didn't have his spiritual pressure at max. When Gerard activated his schrift his spiritual pressure remained exactly the same. There isn't any schrift that increases the soul power of quincies, the superstar is a power seal.

Byakuya couldn't do anything to Gerard because of the repercussions, so even though he had enough spiritual pressure even in shikai to atleast perceive and defend against Gerard, his only option was to block attacks. Every time Gerard grew "stronger" it wasn't his spiritual pressure increasing, it was is raw strength, meaning Byakuya, Gerard and Kenpachi without his eyepatch all had identical spiritual pressure but Byakuya's abilities only max out at probably a low end high bankai class. Kenpachi's shikai is likely not far below Yama's zanpakuto and Gerard's abilities were even more deadly than Kenpachi's. When Kenpachi went bankai, he had an edge in spiritual pressure so his already deadly asf bankai was more effective against Gerard. Had Kenpachi remained in bankai, and Gerard used Volständig, they'd most likely be on equal footing if Gerard isn't higher considering the immaturity of Kenpachi's bankai and the possible initial 5× reiatsu increase. Byakuya could perceive and defend against that Gerard's attacks which means he could likely aput uo a fight against Bankai Kenpachi. He's not crossing swords though, dodging and counterattacking are his only options.

Where techniques and raw zanpakuto and schrift abilities are concerned disregarding spiritual pressure, these fighters are ranked like this

Ichigo

Aizen

Ichibei

Yamamoto

Gerard

Kenpachi

Kisuke

Unohana

Toshiro

Byakuya

Mayuri

Renji

Yh, Kisuke is more frighening than the first kenpachi. This is the ranking you get if everyone had equal spiritual pressure. Fr fr, Ichigo is that broken. Yama wasn't a WP because his death would've been priority before the real war

Where pure spiritual pressure is concerned

Ichigo

Aizen

Ichibei

Yamamoto

Gerard, Kenpachi, Byakuya, Kisuke (base Aizen is around here too btw)

Toshiro, Mayuri, Renji

Unohana

Yes, Toshiro and Renji have similar power. Infact, Toshiro isn't entirely on par with bankai Renji until he matures and gets a full bankai