Falcon is a non-factor here. This fight comes down to Batroc versus Widow. Their skills are a bit unalike, where Batroc focuses more on agility and kicking, and Widow focuses on close-quarters grappling, speed-throughs and gadgets. Without her gadgets, Widow isn't winning.
Falcon is a non-factor here. This fight comes down to Batroc versus Widow. Their skills are a bit unalike, where Batroc focuses more on agility and kicking, and Widow focuses on close-quarters grappling, speed-throughs and gadgets. Without her gadgets, Widow isn't winning.
Didn‘t he fight relatively even with Batroc and outskill a Super Soldier?
The Batroc vs Cap fight is the most overrated feat on this board. Of course Batroc's moves look great as he is played by a real life martial artist. But when you look at the fight he didn't manage anything apart from hitting Cap's shield. When Cap got serious he was getting stomped.
Falcon is a non-factor here. This fight comes down to Batroc versus Widow. Their skills are a bit unalike, where Batroc focuses more on agility and kicking, and Widow focuses on close-quarters grappling, speed-throughs and gadgets. Without her gadgets, Widow isn't winning.
Didn‘t he fight relatively even with Batroc and outskill a Super Soldier?
Falcon is a non-factor here. This fight comes down to Batroc versus Widow. Their skills are a bit unalike, where Batroc focuses more on agility and kicking, and Widow focuses on close-quarters grappling, speed-throughs and gadgets. Without her gadgets, Widow isn't winning.
Didn‘t he fight relatively even with Batroc and outskill a Super Soldier?
Falcon is a non-factor here. This fight comes down to Batroc versus Widow. Their skills are a bit unalike, where Batroc focuses more on agility and kicking, and Widow focuses on close-quarters grappling, speed-throughs and gadgets. Without her gadgets, Widow isn't winning.
Didn‘t he fight relatively even with Batroc and outskill a Super Soldier?
You could say he did, yes. But outskill? No.
How is this not Outskilling?
Because those are newer Super-Soldiers with very little feats, whom haven't expanded much of their full potential. Not to mention that their skill in fighting doesn't come close to Falcon or even Steve's.
Falcon is a non-factor here. This fight comes down to Batroc versus Widow. Their skills are a bit unalike, where Batroc focuses more on agility and kicking, and Widow focuses on close-quarters grappling, speed-throughs and gadgets. Without her gadgets, Widow isn't winning.
Didn‘t he fight relatively even with Batroc and outskill a Super Soldier?
You could say he did, yes. But outskill? No.
How is this not Outskilling?
Because those are newer Super-Soldiers with very little feats, whom haven't expanded much of their full potential. Not to mention that their skill in fighting doesn't come close to Falcon or even Steve's.
He still outskilled her, and her stats are still SS level.
Also wdym “even” Steve? Steve is probably the most skilled in the MCU, he’s above Falcon.
Falcon is a non-factor here. This fight comes down to Batroc versus Widow. Their skills are a bit unalike, where Batroc focuses more on agility and kicking, and Widow focuses on close-quarters grappling, speed-throughs and gadgets. Without her gadgets, Widow isn't winning.
Didn‘t he fight relatively even with Batroc and outskill a Super Soldier?
You could say he did, yes. But outskill? No.
How is this not Outskilling?
Because those are newer Super-Soldiers with very little feats, whom haven't expanded much of their full potential. Not to mention that their skill in fighting doesn't come close to Falcon or even Steve's.
He still outskilled her, and her stats are still SS level.
Also wdym “even” Steve? Steve is probably the most skilled in the MCU, he’s above Falcon.
Anyways, yeah I see what your saying.
Okay... let's run with a tangent.
Yes, Falcon outskilled Karli. We know this since it's in the episode. We also know that Karli is a newer Super-Soldier, whom, as I mentioned before, hasn't expanded much on her full potential. This has left her seemingly useless against better skilled characters such as Falcon and Winter Soldier. I said that Karli isn't anywhere near Steve's level of fighting capabilities.
When did Sam beat Batroc hand to hand...? I don't think Georges is truly all that, but he beat him down pretty easily last time they fought, and Sam hasn't done anything impressive so far anyway.
He didn’t but he fought pretty evenly with him and even landed a front kick to his chest.
Batroc is honestly>>>Widow in pure H2H skill based on feats.
I'm not even going to entertain the notion that Batroc is on Natasha's level, much less ">>>>" her -- I think you were going back and forth about that on another thread with pretty random logic -- but Sam and Batroc's fight was hardly even. Batroc put him down for the count in like 12 seconds and then escaped.
He didn’t but he fought pretty evenly with him and even landed a front kick to his chest.
Batroc is honestly>>>Widow in pure H2H skill based on feats.
I'm not even going to entertain the notion that Batroc is on Natasha's level, much less ">>>>" her, but Sam and Batroc's fight was hardly even. Batroc put him down for the count in like 12 seconds and then escaped.
What H2H (non-fodder) feat does Widow have that trumps this fight or even comes close to his agility?
@nassergrant19: I said I don't really care to discuss that though, I only commented on Sam and Batroc.
I mean you called it a ridiculous notion with no proof or logic but ok. I don’t see any evidence that Widow is above Batroc in H2H skill. Unless you are referring to Nat with gear.
Anyways, yeah I know Batroc is above Falcon but Sam contended with him after a sneak attack, even tagging him with front kick. He lost mainly because he made a dumb move opening up his wings in an enclosed airplane lol.
@death4bunnies: imo saying Batroc gave Cap any kind of serious fight is extremely generous. Batroc seriously just caught him by surprise and knocked him off balance, then Cap completely destroyed him with little effort. Batroc displayed some good agility but he really didn’t create any kind of challenge for Cap.
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