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Round 1: Random encounter with standard equipment and morals on for both. Batman is New 52 and Snake is what he was during MGS2.

Round 2: Solid Snake gets his MGS4 gear but is in his prime and Batman is Post-Crisis.

Round 3: Composite versions for both. Both get one hour of prep time.

Round 4: Both get two weeks of prep time.

Round 5: Snake gets Metal Gear Rex and Batman gets the Justice Buster or Insider suit

Round 6: Batman has his Arkham feats and Snake has his MGS1 feats.

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#2  Edited By The_Hajduk

Snake stomps all rounds. His win-loss record has always included much more powerful opponents. He’s tougher than Batman, and his gear is better. Also his overpowered sneaking abilities make Batman’s look pitiful.

Batman is close in most areas but he doesn’t have any definitive advantages.

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Snake.

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Batman all rounds.

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#7  Edited By Eredin12  Online

Snake stomps all rounds besides R4 and R5( where Bruce has prep or power armor)

He can have an entire casual conversation in time it takes the bullet to move a few meters and then can move much faster than them( notice how his leg moves at great speed while it looks like bullet did not really move at all)

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He also easily moved as fast mach 2 missle

Then we have seen him dodging mach 7 rail gun at close range when he had 80 years ( because of accelerated agian) and in middle of a seizure, a feat far above Bruce

then we have him beating hypersonic+ Grey Fox, being faster than Big Boss who can casually move faster than mach 3 bullets and move so fast that rain is frozen in time, even human Raiden could easily block automatic bullets from 4 difirnet directions the same time at close range and Snake is faster than him, even weaker Venom Snake could move as fast as hypersonic exsplosion( exsplosion was in slow motion to him) so Snake is clearly much faster, not only that he had entire casual 14-second fight( in his perception) with Ocelot where they charged at each other, fighted, rested then again fighted, all done in half-second( time it took cigar to fall from 1,5 meters ), while Bruce was moving much slower in his fight with Reverse-Flash while going all out, Bruce is much slower than Snake

When it comes to strength Snake punch created shockwave that shaked 500-ton metal gear to its foundations, feat far above Bruce, he again made shockwaves in his fight with Ocelot in his old age that shaked parts of Outer Heaven, to create even weak shockwave you need enormous force above that of RPG, whcih clearly shows that he is stronger than Bruce, he also hurt Luqid Snake who can tank helicopter destroying explosions, missiles, he also proved to have equal striking power to Ocelot who could dent mech that can no sell RPG missles, Batman with his 3 full power hits only dented glass that can be dented by one RPG, he also effortesly lifted 1-ton rail gun and had no problem with its recoil( it has power of tank, so recoil is enormous), not only that but he easily threw Fox who weights much more than normal human 8 meters with enaguh force to hurt him, he also hurt Fox with his hits as well and made him feel great amount of pain and Fox can tank few hits from Metal Gears before his armor falls, he effortlesly broke Ocelots fingers and he can nearly punch through RPG proof metal gear and no sell impact( his hand fingers where unharmed) he even tanked powerful c4 ( exsplosions that can destroy tanks) without any real harm, so Snake easily breaking his bones is very impresive, he is stronger than Bruce by good amount

When it comes to a skill he is comparably or more skilled than Bruce as well, Bruce is not beating Grey Fox or Gene at all, not in his wildest dreams

Snake stomps

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@eredin12: lol batman has beaten darkseid and amazo and has taken on the whole jla on several occasions he routinely spars with wonder woman i don't think snake is stomping anyone

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Batman stomps all rounds. He's faster, stronger, more skilled, more durable, and smarter.

There is literally zero advantage Snake has except *maybe* his willingness to kill. And that certainly isn't enough.

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@comic_book_fan:

That was with prep and i agree that with a good amount of prep Batman will win but in normal fight Snake stomps him

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bruce stomps 3.4,5 and one and 2 could go either way

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#13  Edited By Lenzo-

Batman stomps. And with prep, even worse. Snake is a formidable solider don't get me wrong, but Batman is on another league. A lot faster, stronger, smarter and more skilled in H2H.

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@eredin12: he didn't have prep before the fight amazo attacked the watchtower and bruce was the only one home and he thought it would be an easy win and gave bruce a few seconds i mean he was chasing him and blowing things up behind him but had no urgency he didn't think bruce could do anything then he realized that he couldn't track bruce signature any more and was like ok this isn't fun any more and started trying but by then it was to late and that was literally a few seconds during the fight not before and he fought the justice league in a flashback when he entered there base and none of them knew him yet and he was able to take on all of them but superman and manhunter for several minutes.

there is a reason that all of the jla members have stated bruce is the most dangerous one he is easy to underestimate and if you give him the slightest chance to beat you you usually have already lost

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@comic_book_fan:

he didn't have prep before the fight amazo attacked the watchtower and bruce was the only one home and he thought it would be an easy win and gave bruce a few seconds i mean he was chasing him and blowing things up behind him but had no urgency he didn't think bruce could do anything then he realized that he couldn't track bruce signature any more and was like ok this isn't fun any more and started trying but by then it was to late and that was literally a few seconds during the fight not before and he fought the justice league in a flashback when he entered there base and none of them knew him yet and he was able to take on all of them but superman and manhunter for several minutes.

Like i siad Bruce has no prep in r 2 and r 1 whcih is why he gets stomped, he is far slower, weaker and skills is comperable

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#17  Edited By comic_book_fan

@eredin12 said:

Lol at Batman being faster or stronger, he has almost no bullet timing feats, to begin with, he is not capable of moving much faster than a bullet or moving so fast that rain is frozen in time, not even Cassandra Cain can do that and she can blitz Bruce, hell Old Snakes rail gun feat is far above Bruce as well

Also, lmao at some fanboys using fact that Bruce beat Darkseid( never happend, he got stomped or thigns like that as evidence)

i don't know snake's best feats in stats i just know there not better than wonder woman or superman

snake was already running from the bullets in the scan you showed bruce has plenty of feats on this level.

batman has defeated darkseid on 3 separate occasions and by defeat i mean went to darkseid wanting something fought him and got what he wanted not necessary leaving darkseid laying but achieved his goal while darkseid was trying to stop him.

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#18  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@comic_book_fan:

i don't know snake's best feats in stats i just know there not better than wonder woman or superman

snake was already running from the bullets in the scan you showed bruce has plenty of feats on this level.

Are you serious? Superman can atomize Batman without prep, even Spiderman would stomp him I am talking about a fight without prep

No, he he was not he was moving at normal speed ( jogging at normal speed) and we see how much faster bullet is moving than him since he did not know bullet was behind him but when he senses bullet he speeds up and then he moved much faster than bullet and easily outrun it just look at his leg after he says "never mind" it moves at great speed while bullets look like it did not move at all bullet was right behind him yet he easily outrun it

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Show me single feat of Bruce moving much faster than a bullet he does not have even one which is why he gets blitzed

Batman has defeated Darkseid on 3 separate occasions and by defeat i mean when to Darkseid wanting something fought him and got what he wanted not necessary leaving darkseid laying but achieved his goal while darkseid was trying to stop him.

Well if that is your defintion of a beating then i do not care for it my point is he never beat him in a fight and that does not matter here

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@eredin12: our disagreement is you say snake stomps without prep i said it could go either way bruce might be a little slower i would have to see more from snake than what i have seen but it's been years since i played the games and judging by raiden i would say snake may be a little faster and stronger but bruce has beaten stronger than snake without prep in dirrect h2h and faster opponets and i don't think snake is as skilled as bruce.

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#20  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@comic_book_fan:

our disagreement is you say snake stomps without prep i said it could go either way bruce might be a little slower i would have to see more from snake than what i have seen but it's been years since i played the games and judging by raiden i would say snake may be a little faster and stronger but bruce has beaten stronger than snake without prep in dirrect h2h and faster opponets and i don't think snake is as skilled as bruce.

1. Snake is not little faster, he is much faster, he is faster than even Casandra Cain who blitzed Bruce in the fight faster then he could see, when it comes to the strength he is also stronger by a good amount, Bruce cannot create powerful shockwaves or nearly knock out Grey Fox without PIS

2. I doubt Bruce can beat somone faster than Snake without PIS, and Snake has also beat enemies much much faster and stronger than Bruce like Grey Fox and Vamp( who beat Raiden), enemies that would blitz stomp Batman with ease, Snake skills are definitely comperable to Bruce but his stats are better by good amount whcih is why he wins, but i agree that Bruce easily wins with prep

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Just did an edit with a 6th round

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Batman stomps all rounds. He's faster, stronger, more skilled, more durable, and smarter.

There is literally zero advantage Snake has except *maybe* his willingness to kill. And that certainly isn't enough.

Snake has an almost perfect win-loss record in his verse. He’s actually beaten every other protagonist in the series. That’s Big Boss, Raiden, and Venom. These are not average opponents, these are protagonists who have their own entire games where they all perform impossible missions and eventually beat a whole team of superhumans. You can make a thread on any of these three guys vs Batman and they have the feats to go tit for tat. But Solid Snake is the one who actually defeated all three of them. Not sure if Bats has defeated any protagonist level fighters.

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#23  Edited By Eredin12  Online

Also, Big Boss casually moving faster than mach 3 bullets No Caption Provided

He also statued Rain

Or his clone moving so fast that he burns steel with friction or even Revolver Ocelot casually reacting to and shooting down Volgins lightning( at close range) that was moving tens of times faster than supersonic bullets

Just look how much is his lightning faster than bullets

It crosses half a meter so fast that it looks like bullet did not move at all

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It looks like bullet did not even move, his lightning is at least 20 times faster yet Ocelot easily reacted to it at close range

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With casual slam hurting Volgin so much that he cannot get up for 50 seconds, he literaly was in so much pain that he could not get up for 50 seconds and he could tank RPG to face while weakend and be fine

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Not to mention weaker Venom Snake knocking out Quiet with few hits and she can tank shell to face and be conscious, But yeah Bruce is stronger or faster since he beat Darksied, he is not even close to Snake in stats

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Snake stomps every round without prep. Batman is not on his level physically. Snake could one shot Batman and he outspeeds him to boot. He also has comparable fighting skills and standard equipment.

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Snake stomps

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@jmarshmallow said:

Batman stomps all rounds. He's faster, stronger, more skilled, more durable, and smarter.

There is literally zero advantage Snake has except *maybe* his willingness to kill. And that certainly isn't enough.

Snake has an almost perfect win-loss record in his verse. He’s actually beaten every other protagonist in the series. That’s Big Boss, Raiden, and Venom. These are not average opponents, these are protagonists who have their own entire games where they all perform impossible missions and eventually beat a whole team of superhumans. You can make a thread on any of these three guys vs Batman and they have the feats to go tit for tat. But Solid Snake is the one who actually defeated all three of them. Not sure if Bats has defeated any protagonist level fighters.

Jesus beating powerful protagonist who carry there own series is the bulk of what bruce does.

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@comic_book_fan: lmao who do you mean? I can only think of Green Arrow but he isn’t that good in martial arts in the comics.

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@the_hajduk: he has beaten superman flash wonder woman martian manhunter aquaman

he has beaten every skilled opponent in his universe too karate kid deathstroke lady shiva bronze tiger literally everyone at one point or another

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You can’t use a motion comic for a legit speed feat lmao.

Also from what I’ve seen Liquid “tanking missiles” is no different than Big Smoke tanking loads and loads of gunfire, it’s just boss battle gameplay.

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You can’t use a motion comic for a legit speed feat lmao.

Also from what I’ve seen Liquid “tanking missiles” is no different than Big Smoke tanking loads and loads of gunfire, it’s just boss battle gameplay.

The difference is that Big Smoke took gunfire and died. Liquid Snake took missiles and he was still fine and you need to have another boss fight with him. So at the lowball we can assume he had to withstand at least 1 missile.

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Snake knows CQC. Batman doesn't. GG no re.

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Round 4-6 are Batman’s

Round 1-3 could go either way.

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#33  Edited By El_mago

r1: snake

r2 to r5: batman lolstomps

round 6: could go either way

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@the_hajduk: I just looked up the comic. One stinger missile was all it took to take down Rex (after Fox threw his sword into its guidance system). I don’t see how this is a lowball when it’s literally the story without gameplay.

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#35  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@allstarsuperman:

You can’t use a motion comic for a legit speed feat lmao.

Yes you can lmao, if somone moves faster than bullets (he moved faster than bullets) and if somone sends somone flying ( he sent somone flying), then he can do that, it being motion comic or not is irelvant, the feat is a feat, i can just as easily say you cannot use comics or cartoon or anime for legit speed feats, lmao, therefore, Batman and Goku are featless

And yes Luqid can tank missles and he did it, also the gameplay is perfectly usable, not everything in gampley is gameplay mechanic, Sam Fisher has many great feats in gampley that are usable as well, developers can and do show their intentions thrugh gampley, now not evrything in gameplay is canon but some things are

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@the_hajduk: lol he isn’t winning all rounds. He’ll bat stomps snake. Only round I see him winning is with no prep

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@the_hajduk: All of those "protagonists" would lose to Bats as well.

Bruce has outdone Wonder Woman while sparring, has beaten Aquaman in H2H, has outsped Kid Flash, etc.

Being able to match/beat Justice League members is superior to anything Snake has done.

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Batman

This has already been extensively debated before.

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@eredin12: You realize that Batman has causally deflected bullets from a sub-machine at point blank with his wrist, disappeared in front of a police officer who was staring directly at him with his gun trained on him from a couple of feet away, and very casually dodged multiple missiles from Calendar Man who was wielding a missile launcher in both hands at close quarter and then in the middle of dodging this barrage of missiles Batman was able to disappear from his line of sight and take him out from behind. Batman has several speed and reaction feats that vastly supersede a lot of the feats you mentioned.

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#41  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@nick_hero22:

You realize that Batman has causally deflected bullets from a sub-machine at point blank with his wrist, disappeared in front of a police officer who was staring directly at him with his gun trained on him from a couple of feet away, and very casually dodged multiple missiles from Calendar Man who was wielding a missile launcher in both hands at close quarter and then in the middle of dodging this barrage of missiles Batman was able to disappear from his line of sight and take him out from behind. Batman has several speed and reaction feats that vastly supersede a lot of the feats you mentioned.

1. Do you mean this? That is aim blocking, we have no evidence that Bruce moved after the bullet is fired, he could just place his hand before he fired so that he shoots there, MCU Bucky can do that as well

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MCU Cap has done things like that as well( he only dodged instead of blocking it)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111270097/6416534-6490593348-giphy.gif

But evreyone says that he aim dodged it so yeah same is with Bruce

This is bullet timing

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Not only that but Human Riaden alone has far more impresive feats than that( deflecting automatic fire from 4 shooters at close range and Snake is faster than him )

2. Batman was only a few meters away from the cop when he disappeared to him do that he does not even need to be supersonic not only that but it could be just stealth, john Wick can do things like that as well, CW Deathstroke can do that as well, disappearing and apearing and they are not speedsters, not only that but FTE speed is far slower feats i mentioned

He did not dodge those rockets they missed him and the rocket launcher is much slower than even bullets

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FTE from half a meter is nothing compared to feats i showed

So no feats i mentioned are far better Snake blitzes

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Batman wins all rounds.

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Batman wins.

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#45  Edited By Eredin12  Online

So Bruce is faster than speed force users, can beat high mid-tiers like Aquaman in h2h fight, beat Darkseid in a fight , beat Amazo with few secondes of prep...If only holy Chew was here to see this

But yeah Snake still stomps, nobody who argues for Batman posted any consistent feats to show that he wins, Bruce simply cannot mach somone who can do this

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Cassandra Cain easily blitzed him faster then he can see for example and she cannot do this as well

At best we will get some Snake lowballing and Batman wank( which is alredy extreme, i do not remeber Batman wank on this level for years)

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@eredin12:

I see that Comic Vine is still plagued with rabid Metal Gear fanboys.

1) No one claimed that Batman has supersonic reaction time which is what it would actually take to "really" bullets. Clearly Batman telegraphed the trajectory of the gunfire and put his arm up to block. Telegraphing while not as impressive as "really" dodging bullets is still very very impressive nonetheless. Human Raiden is not in this debate, so trying to scale Snake's speed off of a feat that Human Raiden performed is going to help your case unless you can show Snake performing a comparable feat. Beating an Human Raiden doesn't necessitate that Snake is faster than him. Batman has tagged and defeated characters faster than both Human Raiden and Snake like Deathstroke in close quarters combat, but that doesn't mean that he is faster than Deathstroke who has enhanced physical stats. This just means that Batman has an advantage like his superior martial arts prowess and intelligence that allows him to compensate for Deathstroke's enhanced physical stats. The same can be said for Snake who doesn't have speed or reaction time feats anywhere close to deflecting bullets with a katana.

2) No one is claiming that Batman is supersonic, and he doesn't need to be to beat Snake either. John Wick has never disappeared in front of someone looking directly at him with a gun trained on him from a few feet away in a open hallway, and I like to see the equivalent from CW Deathstroke since I am not really familiar with the Green Arrow television series.

3) Evidence that Calendar Man missed? Rocket Launchers can propel munitions out around 294 meters per second, and Calendar Man was wield two of them at the same time. The point is that Batman had no trouble dodging a barrage from Calendar at close range and disappearing in front of him while basically at point-blank range. Where is Snake comparable feat because anyone can just sit around and downplay feats?

4) You didn't post anything remotely impressive for Snake speed-wise!

Being able to run and push someone out of the way of turret fire from Mech is essentially a standard action hero troupe that can be found any piece of fiction ranging from movies, television shows, video games, books, comic books, and more where munitions and technology are involved.

Ocelot did not shoot lightning out of the air. The fact that you think he did is proof of your rabid Metal Gear fanboyism since metal can conduct electricity and there is not a shred of evidence to support the claim that Volgin's synthetic electrical discharges can move a fraction of a fraction of the speed of lightning that occurs during a lightning storm.

Batman has no problem punching through missile proof glass so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to hurt Volgin and Quiet either.

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#47  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@nick_hero22:

I see that Comic Vine is still plagued with rabid Metal Gear fanboys.

Yeah if people do not lowball Metal Gear like you and wank Batman they are fanboys, so far in this thread, we have seen people claim that Batman is faster than speed force users, that he can beat Mountain busters in h2h, that he beat Darksied, that he can beat Amazo, also remember when you claimed that Batman can give fight to Garou when he fought heroes

The guy that did this

https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/cgwhz5/garou_bullets/

And all kinds of mental gymnastics you did to lowball him

Or when you said he can do same to Sakura

I am metal gear fan but i would never argue that Snake can do that

but yeah comic vine is plagued with metal gear fanboys

1) No one claimed that Batman has supersonic reaction time which is what it would actually take to "really" bullets. Clearly Batman telegraphed the trajectory of the gunfire and put his arm up to block. Telegraphing while not as impressive as "really" dodging bullets is still very very impressive nonetheless. Human Raiden is not in this debate, so trying to scale Snake's speed off of a feat that Human Raiden performed is going to help your case unless you can show Snake performing a comparable feat. Beating an Human Raiden doesn't necessitate that Snake is faster than him. Batman has tagged and defeated characters faster than both Human Raiden and Snake like Deathstroke in close quarters combat, but that doesn't mean that he is faster than Deathstroke who has enhanced physical stats. This just means that Batman has an advantage like his superior martial arts prowess and intelligence that allows him to compensate for Deathstroke's enhanced physical stats. The same can be said for Snake who doesn't have speed or reaction time feats anywhere close to deflecting bullets with a katana.

1. I agree it is very impresive feat, you see i am not lowballer like you i can acknolwedge when something is good and will not try to do all kinds of mental gymnastics to lowball it, it is good, but it is much wekaer than bullet timing, MCU Bucky has done things like that as well

2. Snake proved that he is just as fast as human Raiden if you can mach somone like equal you are not slower, and logically he is just as fast, there is no reason why Raiden would be faster since Riaden was not superhuman then, he does not need to have same feats if he can mach him like equal in speed, DS is superhuman while Bruce is not, same is not here in MG when we compare Snake and Riaden

3. Deathstroke is not faster than Snake or Raiden, not at all

4. If you can keep up with somone that means you have comperable speed, peak humans being comparably fast to enhanced people is nothing strange, but that is difirnet, here human Riaden is not enhanced, he was sure as hell not intended to be faster than Snake, not at all

no amount of skill can help you if your enemy is much faster you will get blitzed, so no that is wrong and Snake has better feats than that as well

2) No one is claiming that Batman is supersonic, and he doesn't need to be to beat Snake either. John Wick has never disappeared in front of someone looking directly at him with a gun trained on him from a few feet away in a open hallway, and I like to see the equivalent from CW Deathstroke since I am not really familiar with the Green Arrow television series.

He did not do really that but he did appear out of nowhere in front of the woman and she was suprised how he magically appear there yet Wick is not a speedster, as for Deathstroke go here but that is not evrything you have in his RT here on vine entire clip where he did that

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/who-moved-faster-deathstroke-or-dettlaff-1864450/

And Snake is supersonic so yeah he does

3) Evidence that Calendar Man missed? Rocket Launchers can propel munitions out around 294 meters per second, and Calendar Man was wield two of them at the same time. The point is that Batman had no trouble dodging a barrage from Calendar at close range and disappearing in front of him while basically at point-blank range. Where is Snake comparable feat because anyone can just sit around and downplay feats?

It literally looks that he missed on that comic, it clearly looks like he missed

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And yeah i know that everyone can downplay you are known actually for that

4) You didn't post anything remotely impressive for Snake speed-wise!

As impresive as what? Aim blocking? Something MCU Bucky can do, rockets missing Bruce?

I posted far more impresive things

Being able to run and push someone out of the way of turret fire from Mech is essentially a standard action hero troupe that can be found any piece of fiction ranging from movies, television shows, video games, books, comic books, and more where munitions and technology are involved.

Then show me Batman moving faster than mach 3 bullets after they fired and pushing somone out of their way, i would like to see that

Ocelot did not shoot lightning out of the air. The fact that you think he did is proof of your rabid Metal Gear fanboyism since metal can conduct electricity and there is not a shred of evidence to support the claim that Volgin's synthetic electrical discharges can move a fraction of a fraction of the speed of lightning that occurs during a lightning storm.

1. He did, he clearly did and he easily reacted to it

2. I never siad it is, i do not think his lightning timer, lol, but his lightning was much faster than bullets, tens of times faster which is my point

Batman has no problem punching through missile proof glass so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to hurt Volgin and Quiet either.

He only dented glass with 3 full power kicks, the same glass could be dented by one rocket from the rocket launcher, which shows that Bruce still hit much weaker than grenade launcher, those feats i mentioned are better

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Added a 7th and final round.

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@thehallowed: honestly you should delete 7th round it is stomp for Batman, Hellbat is much more powerful than metal gear

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@eredin12: All right then, should I delete round 5 as well and replace Hellbat with Justice Buster?

Edited a few things, should be better