Batman vs Ironman

how?. batman always finds a way to beat up tough opponents, he tricked darkseid without lifting a finger

I've read comics. And Bats prep is nowhere near is good as people say because he needed outside help to do most of it. Prime example:HellBat.

I'm sorry that I double posted, but when has that happened?

He beat Darkseid through cunning/trickery during Superman/Batman #12. However, he did lift a finger. He had to reprogram Darkseid’s hellspores(some of his weapons).

No. I know that. I was talking about not lifting a finger. And can't Tony do that easily? Pretty sure he can.

Not really. Some prep feats without outside help:

• Brother EYE
• Depowering N52 Blockbuster, who is capable of giving Supes a good fight
• Making a ring to depower Wraith, who is in essence a stronger version of Superman
• Stealth suit which is good enough to hide from Superman
• His Rebirth plans to beat the JLA, such as a gadget that shuts down GL rings and a temporal grenade that slows down time

Idc, not going to matter in this fight. I was just giving context

@causeimbatman: Tony is smart enough to replicate all those feats you listed for batman.

@supergoku17: I was just pointing out that Batman has a lot of prep feats without outside help. And I doubt Tony can replicate Brother EYE. He has never built power mimicry technology as good nor ever made any technopathy/hacking tech as good as EYE. Heck Noone1996 admits that Tony doesn’t have the capabilities for EYE lvl hacking/technopathy

What makes it different from kree tech or any else tony has hacked or done?

Nice. But Tony did better or similar thing than those.

Like him making a Phoniex buster suit in 3 weeks.

Instantly knocks out and suppresses She-Hulk and her powers with nanites.

I'm sorry but finding the picture I want on google is harder then I thought it would be. Boy continuing on.

Weather-controlling satellites don't seem like much, unless they're built by Stark and they're used by Ultron to wreck the entire world with environmental catastrophes. From Mighty Avengers #1:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions54-WeatherSatellitesMightyAvengers1.jpg

"A power drainer . . . a genetic disrupter . . . a million miles ahead of anything . . . the nuclear bomb in the war of powers." Mutants, cyborgs, alien-based powers, Gods, not even the Sentry was beyond its influence. From New Avengers #55-57:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions62-PowerDrainerNewAvengers55.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions63-PowerDrainerNewAvengers56.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions64-PowerDrainerNewAvengers57.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions65-PowerDrainer.jpg

During Avengers Vs. X-Men, Stark developed augmented Phoenix battle suits for the Avengers extraction team to exfiltrate Hope in Avengers V. X-Men #6:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkGear20-PhoenixBattlesuitsAvX6.jpg

I'll need time to find more feat but your getting my point so far right?

Iron Man is smarter and has the superior tech. He stomps in a random and still wins with prep.

but tony would have not done that same. he would have come with a hulk-buster to face darkseid. batman did it in a simple way without much effort

note:- sorry for my bad english, it's not my mother tongue.

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@causeimbatman said:

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@azrael1973 said:

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@vj21oq said:

i don't think ironman will beat batman in his specialized department

He already does. Batman prep is not as good as people say it is.

Obviously you don't read comics. Bats prep is just as good as the people say. His plans work most of the time unlike all the Ironman buster armors.

Batman wins under these conditions.

I've read comics. And Bats prep is nowhere near is good as people say because he needed outside help to do most of it. Prime example:HellBat.

Not really. Some prep feats without outside help:

• Brother EYE
• Depowering N52 Blockbuster, who is capable of giving Supes a good fight
• Making a ring to depower Wraith, who is in essence a stronger version of Superman
• Stealth suit which is good enough to hide from Superman
• His Rebirth plans to beat the JLA, such as a gadget that shuts down GL rings and a temporal grenade that slows down time

Nice. But Tony did better or similar thing than those.

Like him making a Phoniex buster suit in 3 weeks.

Instantly knocks out and suppresses She-Hulk and her powers with nanites.

I'm sorry but finding the picture I want on google is harder then I thought it would be. Boy continuing on.

Weather-controlling satellites don't seem like much, unless they're built by Stark and they're used by Ultron to wreck the entire world with environmental catastrophes. From Mighty Avengers #1:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions54-WeatherSatellitesMightyAvengers1.jpg

"A power drainer . . . a genetic disrupter . . . a million miles ahead of anything . . . the nuclear bomb in the war of powers." Mutants, cyborgs, alien-based powers, Gods, not even the Sentry was beyond its influence. From New Avengers #55-57:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions62-PowerDrainerNewAvengers55.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions63-PowerDrainerNewAvengers56.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions64-PowerDrainerNewAvengers57.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions65-PowerDrainer.jpg

During Avengers Vs. X-Men, Stark developed augmented Phoenix battle suits for the Avengers extraction team to exfiltrate Hope in Avengers V. X-Men #6:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkGear20-PhoenixBattlesuitsAvX6.jpg

I'll need time to find more feat but your getting my point so far right?

https://gizmodo.com/8-alternate-buster-iron-man-suits-that-are-cooler-than-1650331133

You might notice a running theme with some of these suits - despite being designed for one specific circumstance, they don't always tend to work in said specific circumstance. The 'Phoenix Killer' is no exception, another specialised suit from the Avengers/X-Men dust up event. This one was designed to, you guessed it, destroy the Phoenix Force before it came back to Earth.

Tony succeeded in obliterating the Phoenix Force - into 5 separate parts, which promptly possessed a few nearby X-Men, creating even more of a problem than having to deal with the singular Phoenix Force. GOOD JOB, TONY.

You just showed a example how Ironman fails at prep! He is even infamous for failing. In the end Marvel always depends on Reed when prep is really needed. And yes Reed > Bruce in that department.

Haha Batman wins!

EYE managed to take over most of Apokolips, which is the size of an entire galaxy and is abstract lvl tech

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@causeimbatman said:

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@azrael1973 said:

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@vj21oq said:

i don't think ironman will beat batman in his specialized department

He already does. Batman prep is not as good as people say it is.

Obviously you don't read comics. Bats prep is just as good as the people say. His plans work most of the time unlike all the Ironman buster armors.

Batman wins under these conditions.

I've read comics. And Bats prep is nowhere near is good as people say because he needed outside help to do most of it. Prime example:HellBat.

Not really. Some prep feats without outside help:

• Brother EYE
• Depowering N52 Blockbuster, who is capable of giving Supes a good fight
• Making a ring to depower Wraith, who is in essence a stronger version of Superman
• Stealth suit which is good enough to hide from Superman
• His Rebirth plans to beat the JLA, such as a gadget that shuts down GL rings and a temporal grenade that slows down time

Nice. But Tony did better or similar thing than those.

Like him making a Phoniex buster suit in 3 weeks.

Instantly knocks out and suppresses She-Hulk and her powers with nanites.

I'm sorry but finding the picture I want on google is harder then I thought it would be. Boy continuing on.

Weather-controlling satellites don't seem like much, unless they're built by Stark and they're used by Ultron to wreck the entire world with environmental catastrophes. From Mighty Avengers #1:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions54-WeatherSatellitesMightyAvengers1.jpg

"A power drainer . . . a genetic disrupter . . . a million miles ahead of anything . . . the nuclear bomb in the war of powers." Mutants, cyborgs, alien-based powers, Gods, not even the Sentry was beyond its influence. From New Avengers #55-57:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions62-PowerDrainerNewAvengers55.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions63-PowerDrainerNewAvengers56.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions64-PowerDrainerNewAvengers57.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions65-PowerDrainer.jpg

During Avengers Vs. X-Men, Stark developed augmented Phoenix battle suits for the Avengers extraction team to exfiltrate Hope in Avengers V. X-Men #6:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkGear20-PhoenixBattlesuitsAvX6.jpg

I'll need time to find more feat but your getting my point so far right?

Yeah I was just pointing out Batman has lots of prep feats without outside help.

@vj21oq: Your english is bad is fine. But you are really underselling Tony if you think that he use the Hulkbuster to fight Darkseid when he has suits that could be used better or he could eailsy make one without a problem.

@azrael1973 said:

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@causeimbatman said:

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@azrael1973 said:

@tanakaclinkenbeard said:

@vj21oq said:

i don't think ironman will beat batman in his specialized department

He already does. Batman prep is not as good as people say it is.

Obviously you don't read comics. Bats prep is just as good as the people say. His plans work most of the time unlike all the Ironman buster armors.

Batman wins under these conditions.

I've read comics. And Bats prep is nowhere near is good as people say because he needed outside help to do most of it. Prime example:HellBat.

Not really. Some prep feats without outside help:

• Brother EYE
• Depowering N52 Blockbuster, who is capable of giving Supes a good fight
• Making a ring to depower Wraith, who is in essence a stronger version of Superman
• Stealth suit which is good enough to hide from Superman
• His Rebirth plans to beat the JLA, such as a gadget that shuts down GL rings and a temporal grenade that slows down time

Nice. But Tony did better or similar thing than those.

Like him making a Phoniex buster suit in 3 weeks.

Instantly knocks out and suppresses She-Hulk and her powers with nanites.

I'm sorry but finding the picture I want on google is harder then I thought it would be. Boy continuing on.

Weather-controlling satellites don't seem like much, unless they're built by Stark and they're used by Ultron to wreck the entire world with environmental catastrophes. From Mighty Avengers #1:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions54-WeatherSatellitesMightyAvengers1.jpg

"A power drainer . . . a genetic disrupter . . . a million miles ahead of anything . . . the nuclear bomb in the war of powers." Mutants, cyborgs, alien-based powers, Gods, not even the Sentry was beyond its influence. From New Avengers #55-57:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions62-PowerDrainerNewAvengers55.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions63-PowerDrainerNewAvengers56.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions64-PowerDrainerNewAvengers57.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkInventions65-PowerDrainer.jpg

During Avengers Vs. X-Men, Stark developed augmented Phoenix battle suits for the Avengers extraction team to exfiltrate Hope in Avengers V. X-Men #6:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkGear20-PhoenixBattlesuitsAvX6.jpg

I'll need time to find more feat but your getting my point so far right?

https://gizmodo.com/8-alternate-buster-iron-man-suits-that-are-cooler-than-1650331133

You might notice a running theme with some of these suits - despite being designed for one specific circumstance, they don't always tend to work in said specific circumstance. The 'Phoenix Killer' is no exception, another specialised suit from the Avengers/X-Men dust up event. This one was designed to, you guessed it, destroy the Phoenix Force before it came back to Earth.

Tony succeeded in obliterating the Phoenix Force - into 5 separate parts, which promptly possessed a few nearby X-Men, creating even more of a problem than having to deal with the singular Phoenix Force. GOOD JOB, TONY.

You just showed a example how Ironman fails at prep! He is even infamous for failing. In the end Marvel always depends on Reed when prep is really needed. And yes Reed > Bruce in that department.

Haha Batman wins!

Whoa Whoa Whoa !The Phoneix Busters did what was planned to do. Bust the Phoniex. It still broke into piece. It still did it's job. Also are you forgetting the times when Bruce's prep has failed?Justice Buster, Hellbat? How does Bruce win? And great job focusing on those feat out of the 4 others and not giving any feat that put Bruce's prep above Tony's.

Here are more feats:

Stark's engineering genius wasn't limited to Starktech. Here, abandoned by Doom in Hell, Stark had to cannibalize a demonic cyber-doppelganger of Howard Stark to construct missing circuit components to Doom's time platform technology. In a matter of minutes, while being attacked by Mephisto's hordes, he succeeds. From Iron Man: Legacy of Doom #2:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkIntelligence14LegacyofDoom2.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkIntelligence15.jpg

During the events of Long Way Down, Stark's life, career, and superhero persona was being methodically torn apart. With a little forensic engineering of just two bits of Dreadnought scrap, he intuits who is responsible: Ezekiel Stane and Mandarin. From Invincible Iron Man #513:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkIntelligence20IIM513.jpg

That forensic engineering allows him to rewire a junk prototype cellphone into a virtual reality device that, combined with street-view navigation photos and GPS data, allows him to recall repressed memories a decade old. From Original Sin: Hulk vs. Iron Man #3:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkIntelligence27OSHvIM3.jpg

With the latest Stark-Rand repulsor node installed into his chest, he begins pumping more power to his brain. "To get smarter, we needed more power. To get more power, we needed to get smarter. For all intents and purposes, I've got a man-made star in my chest, Reed. Guess how much juice I'm pumping into my head these days...?" Reed's response after some thought, "Oh my." From Invincible Iron Man #25:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkIntelligence17IIM25.jpg

Stark also shows a shocking aptitude for for science fields pioneered by others. Within a few minutes of studying a device he intuits that Doom's time platform is malfunctioning and can only go backward in time. From West Coast Avengers #18:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkIntelligence05WCA18.jpg

@causeimbatman: Never said that he didn't. I said that alot of his prep feats had outside help.

@causeimbatman: has it not been EXTENSIVELY debunked that Apokalips isn’t galaxy sized?

@supremegeneration: No, me and Hellstorm ended up agreeing its galaxy sized in its dimension.

@causeimbatman: So does Apokolips have any hacking resistance feats?

@supergoku17: Its technopathy not hacking.

Alright what stops Tony from replicating?

The fact that Apok is galaxy sized and abstract lvl tech. What technopathy feats does he have to replicate?

@causeimbatman: I meant that tony can hack it

@supergoku17: He can’t. During prep, Batman can just install his anti hacking program into EYE during prep. It proved good enough to stop Genie, a computer program that hacked into a GL ring and Cyborg. And honestly, I doubt Tony will be able to hack into a technopath of EYE’s caliber.

@causeimbatman: temporarily disregarding size, how is it abstract level?

@causeimbatman: Again none of that stops him from hacking it as he hacked the kree and the kree have highly advanced tech.And there is the fact that Ras hacked brother eye. So moat likely tony can do the same.

There is a reason Apokolips is the second best tech haven in DC. Apokoliptian tech would be machines that turn you into cosmic forces, machines that allow you to enter the freaking source wall, Motherboxes which access the energy of the source, etc.

@causeimbatman: If he's noticing what's happening, he can make these changes manually. All he needs to do is resist until then. This is assuming that Batman uses Brother Eye at all. How long did it take him to create it? Is it still around? Why did he build it? If it's implausible for him to create Brother Eye, then what other hacking feats does he have which proves he's galaxy level with hacking? How is Apokolips abstract tier with their tech?

as an engineering student i always feel that ironman's suits are too overpowered. cutting phoenix in five parts with a suit ? not even odin's galaxy busting attacks worked on phoenix, i think marvel writers must learn some basic limits that material/ lazers have!

That Odin thing sounds like BS cause Odin is stronger than the Phoniex. I think.

no, phoniex is stronger then odin. phoniex has the potential to defeat galactus

I'm not going derail the thread anymore but I'm gonna look into this.

@noone1996:

f he's noticing what's happening, he can make these changes manually. All he needs to do is resist until then.

Alright. However I now believe EYE has technomorphing/tech control rather than hacking/technopathy. Here are a few scans to show this:

Gallery

• Scan 1: Absorbs/takes control of Apokolips. (Countdown #10)
• Scan 2: Rebuilds himself out of some random space junk(some broken garbage NASA stuff, a junked chinese satellite,). (OMAC Vol. 3 #3)

EYE literally just manipulates tech, devices, even junk broken up tech. Like Cyborg Superman. Has Tony ever showcased technomorphing countermeasures? That tactic where he sealed off his systems won’t work, due to EYE literally manipulating his armor.

How long did it take him to create it?

A year, while he was busy doing JL missions, his Batman routine, his rouge gallery, training everyday, making public appearences, etc. He should be able to rebuild EYE within a few month if he’s fully focused. Tho he’ll probably just rebuild the technomorphing tech instead of making the whole satellite.

Is it still around?

No, it went skynet because long story and now its on its own. However, OP gave access to full gear and made a point say “including recent gear”, implying that past gear is included in full gear. So he has EYE.

Why did he build it?

Some shitty heroes erased his memory(long story). When he found it, he was completely untrustworthy of majority of heroes. So he made EYE to spy on everyone.

If it's implausible for him to create Brother Eye,

Its not.

then what other hacking feats does he have which proves he's galaxy level with hacking?

He doesn’t. His best hacking feats would be hacking into Leviathan’s security network with a device as barely as sophisticated as a cellphone while busy fighting El Gaucho(LMAO, meme tier right there) and hacking into a Kryptonian ship.

How is Apokolips abstract tier with their tech?

Apokoliptian tech would be machines that turn you into cosmic forces, machines that allow you to enter through The Source Wall, Motherboxes and fatherbox which access the energy of The Source, etc.

Both are billionaire business man batman will find a way to kill tony stark cause that is in his dna witts is batmans best weapon which is why he almost killed superman thanks to kryptonite doomsday was also killed although doomsday in comics is never killed tony stark has a suit and lots of cash that's pretty much it batman is trained for years and years he's an expert martial artist tony is not batman is also got cash he can also build a weapon just as powerful as iron mans I'm sorry but dc takes this one for me

The only thing Batman can win against Ironman is thru his dream. He can dream all night long that he can penetrate a gold titanium alloy suit, an Uru metal suit, or even hack Ironman's system. (FYI stark's AI is so advanced that he used Jarvis for example into the mind stone and accidentally created Vision and many more compare to Batman's AI that autopilot is the only thing it can do i think).

So tired of Batman fanboys who says he can defeat anyone with preptime bacause he's so smart, rich, etc. Then how about prepping for a battle against cosmic entities.

@moon_bat_87:

I don't know if you are still around, but kudos, this is an awesome battle.

I am a huge, again... A HUGE IRON MAN FAN!!! But as of recently, I have become much more into DC based characters as well. I have to say that Batman is currently one of my favorites. People tend to OVER GLORIFY & OVER POWER them in their own minds. Basic Physiological Principles CONFIRM MY OPINION on this matter..

(AKA OHHH oHHHHHH!!! ! MY MAN IRON MAN WINS!!!! BECAUSE.. ...WELL!!!!??....UMM.. WELL DUHH!! BECAUSE HES IRONMAN!!!! WEEEEEE!!!) BUT you put a lot of work into this Battle, and I respect it.

There is one thing you forgot to mention, I think.. I didn't notice it anyways. Bruce Wayne is a master Strategist.. He would OUT WIT, NOT OUT BATTLE.. But out wit BOTH stark and Cap America..

Anyone who argues this look at the thousand feats he has done on his own, his Contingency plan to TAKE DOWN THE ENTIRE JUSTICE LEAGUE HIM SELF!!! SHOULD THEY GO ROGUE!!!.... well... enough said

I view these battles from a third person perspective, not because I like a character.. MORE PEOPLE NEED TO DO THAT. these battles are for fun... they arent personal attacks against anyones favorite character..

I give this to batman.. for the fact that you gave a year to setup.

1. year goes by..

2. they approach each other.. batman presses the button on his transmitter.. Starks suit goes dead from the virus he planted in Jarvis.. he walks over rips ironmans face plate off, and holds his arm back in a manor to say "SURRENDER OR I CRUSH YOU JAW..

DONE

Is this a spite ?

Ironman is literally customized to utterly destroy Batman.

1. Batman is a master of 127 combat forms.

2. Ironman's tech has the capability to copy an implement any fighting style used against Tony. Thus 100% completely neutralizing Batman's 127 combat styles inside of 30 seconds.

3. Batman's entire deal is to study an find a weakness in any / all opponents he fights .. With out which he can't beat higher tiered characters. Ironman's suits have no way of being hacked while tony is actually in control of them an actively utilizing them against an opponent less I am wrong ?

4. Batman is an average hacker, if he is in the batcave using his tech in a safe environment. Batman is not a hacker against a suit being used against him actively using his own combat styles against him there is not way batman can hack tony's suits while engaged in melee combat.

My personal opinion. Batman gets smoked in any fight against Ironman prep or no prep.. Every strength batman has can quite literally be used against him by tony in almost all conceivable ways.

Ironman's suits have withstood nuclear explosions. Has Batmans ? (I don't know for real)

bruce can just about hold his own in the tec game he built the omacs that destroyed themiscira he has taken on braniac and has gotten the advantage on amazo

he even hacked metron's chair not to mention if bruce wanted he could replicate the same powers as midnighters battlecomputer.

So let me get this straight. Batman has the Hellbat suit, that makes him as powerful as Superman, and you all think Stark wins? That would make Ironman more powerful than Superman and I dont see that. What feats does Ironman have that makes him more powerful than Superman?

@animekenji: @tanakaclinkenbeard:

Correction the hellbat makes him for powerful than Superman

As seen in the fight against darkseid, as seen in the time Lois lane in hellbat fought the eradicator who was beating Superman, as seen when Batman in hellbat fought a demon that was about to kill Etrigan who is Superman level

As for animekenji

“Whoa Whoa Whoa !The Phoneix Busters did what was planned to do. Bust the Phoniex. It still broke into piece. It still did it's job. Also are you forgetting the times when Bruce's prep has failed?Justice Buster, Hellbat? How does Bruce win?”

Have you not read the comic, the hellbat accomplished exactly what it was mean to do beat darkseid to the point of him using the omega beams then converting the energy to life energy to bring Damian back from the dead

The justice buster did the same it was mean to stop the justice league, Batman did just that

Have you not read JLA: Tower of Babel or watched JL: Doom or read the Darkmultiverse Batman stories

Imagine green strength pill, insider suit, hellbat suit and an army of justice busters

Insider gives Batman JL abilities, speed force, green lantern ring, flight, invisiblity, heat vision, lasso of truth, cryogenics advanced computer and more.

Hellbat gives flight, invisibility, super strength and durability on par with Superman and darkseid

Green pill gives anyone Superman level physicals as seen when Batman’s butler Alfred KOd Superman

And an army of justice busters made to counteract all members of the league

Iron man doesn’t stand a chance

I could even mention the final batsuit made to kill trillions and merge the dead with their counterparts in the universe being made by the world forger

He really don’t stand a chance

The first punch would kill Iron man, but since OP says no killing he tears he’s armour of

Batman wins if he combines all of he’s armours

No armour iron man has created can hurt darkseid or eradicator or unknown demon that almost killed Etrigan nor does any armour have the speed to keep up with Batman since the insider suit gives him the speed force throw in the GL ring it’s a stomp

Batman wins not close

Lmao at the Hellbat being stronger or on par with Superman. That garbage suit got its shit stomped in by Uxas and Eradicator. Give me a break. Bruce didn't even build that armor on his own either.

Iron Man wins. Prep won't save Batman this time.

@mbatz: the justice buster almost lost to a weakened justice league.

Lol that’s a big statement the Phoenix buster hurt the Phoenix who should be above eraditor and on darjseid lvl

@dmnb2wavy: @takenstew22: @noone1996:

You guys seem to have some misconceptions

For example I’ll start with Noone1996

Darkseid lost to hellbat not sure what you mean by got stomped, hellbat took hits and give hits that hurt darkseid, darkseid threw the hellbat in lava, the hellbat was made in the sun and came back to punch darkseid, darkseid used omega beams Batman with prep knew he’d use them so he used the chaos shard to absorb the beams, and give it back with interest and have enough omega energy to power the suit and resurrect his son from the dead

Lois lane in the suit was also capable of dealing damage to the eradicator, but she doesn’t have full control over the suit since Batman has a telepathic link with the suit and Lois Lane doesn’t know martial arts but she still did damage and the eradicator even said he was surprised she was capable to doing so, Batman in the suit would use the devastation punch which is seen in his fight against a demon, if the suits normal punches hurt eradicator, Batman will take his head off with the devastation punch

Dmnb2wavy your not necessarily wrong, they weren’t weakened physically but they couldn’t operate at there best but none the less they were still physically operating without holding back as we see when WW believes she’s killed Batman when places I don’t know the name but it’s essentially a lasso of lies which makes the person touching it see what they want which was Batman dead so no they weren’t holding back

Also the Phoenix buster broke immediately after hitting pheonix and by you logic if the pheonix is darkseid level then you have already said that Batman wins since the hellbat stood a better chance against the pheonix buster

TakenStew22 you don’t even present an argument, so to put it in to perspective all of ironmans armours are melted into shape, Batman’s hellbat was hammered by Superman in the sun and was still a solid

Batman flies Ironman into the sun and Ironman dies

And you guys have forgotten the hellbat isn’t even his strongest suit it’s the sunbox armour more commonly known as the final batsuit which was made to kill all people in the original universe that resisipted merging with there counterparts on the new earth

When Superman was stranded on a planet with no suns and was about to die, Batman fought the JL members who though Batman allowed him to die but what they didn’t know was Batman using the sunbox armour sent an armada of suns to Supermans location

The fight ends when Batman uses the sunbox and send millions of suns at iron man

I can even talk about the insider suit which has teleportation, speed force, green lantern mode, invisibility, heat vision, lasso of truth and flight

Add all the suits and you get something truly unstoppable

Batman wins

I didn’t include the sunbox because it would be too much of a stomp, it caught the flash, beat WW, MMH, HG like they were fodder and Batman was holding back because he was awaiting supermans arrival after sending a fleet of suns to his location using the sunbox and this is the final batsuit meaning it’s stronger then the hellbat which is easily Superman level lowballed

Batman wins

So? I think Iron Man wins because he has better tech and better suits. One of them I believe was made from uru metal.

You might wanna debate with @noone1996 because I'm not that knowledgable on either Iron Man or Batman but he makes some great arguments.

@mbatz: well no it was confirmed they was weaker in general so we can’t use that as a feat.

Second hellbat NEVER beat darkseid. He knocked him down yes but he got up like nothing even happened to him and let him go. A defeat is knocking your opponent out not knocking them down and running away. tony was able to damage the Phoenix enough to split the Phoenix which is above just hurting darkseid.

phoenic buster should beat he’ll bat.

also final bat can’t be used bc it was not made by Batman Unless I’m mistake. If this is a prep based battle that suit is not in his prep. and Phoenix buster should still be above final bat bc Phoenix scales to king Thor

@takenstew22: @dmnb2wavy: I hope I present a good argument the fact that you don’t have enough knowledge on either character isn’t something to be ashamed of but be careful of people that might say things that didn’t happen I also agree Dmnb2wavy is a great debater some of his statement can be a bit iffy mine too though no ones perfect

@Dmnb2wavy: Incorrect he didn’t injure the pheonix he split it

Read the comic avengers vs X-Men when the pheonix was split it went into 5 mutants and every time one of the, was defeated it was passed on to the next avenger

And you can’t scale it to king thor due to its time in continuity

What I mean by that is Odin 10 years ago was a casual galaxy buster now he is a street level old man who let he’s son become the All-father Thor

Pheonix during that time wasn’t nearly as strong as darkseid since the avengers where able to take defeat each individual pheonix host during that time

Also the hellbat was made by Batman it was made by future Bruce Wayne still him just a little bit down in the timeline

Also if you have read King Thor you would know when he fought Wolverine who had the pheonix he didn’t get defeated Wolverine decided to allow the pheonix to be passed on to Thor’s hammer so he wouldn’t scale anyway to pheonix anyway

I know you don’t believe my words so here a link to the comic X-Men vs avengers, pheonix wasn’t even displaying planetary feats of power during the story all the hosts of the pheonix did was build some infrastructure and lose to the avengers in standard gear who ain’t that strong when put next to Superman let alone darkseid who would kill all of them in standard gear

All in all hellbat has solid feats, he defeated darkseid he didn’t have the will to carry on the fight and even told his son Kalibak not to follow Batman but he did anyway, Lois lane in hellbat hurt eradicator

Prior to the fight between Lois lane and eradicator, Superman was being demolished by the eradicator he only won because once eradicator absorbed Superman, Superman talked to the souls of dead kryptonians inside the eradicator and managed to convince them all to give superman power please note the eradicator uses souls as power once superman absobed them all eradicator fell in power

Batman defeated an Etrigan overpowering demon and we know from action comic 587 Superman and Etrigan are physical equals in terms of strength and can’t be killed since he’s a demon

The pheonix buster on the other hand split the pheonix which didn’t actually harm it since for a start the pheonix is immortal the name is a give away and during that point in time in continuity the pheonix wasn’t that strong

Tony’s strongest armour was incapable of beating WWH who was similar to Superman in power the hellbat as said above has beaten or injured people that are stronger than Superman

I made sure to read the comic so I’m not some guy who makes assumptions, the hellbat was designed by Batman created by the league. Batman found the material and told everyone what to do.

The hellbat is one of Batman’s gadgets, Batman owns it the same way people own houses construction workers build

The final batsuit was made by Batman

Tony doesn’t stand a chance against the hellbat and he definitely doesn’t stand a chance against the final batsuit aka the sunbox Batman armour

Batman wins