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#1  Edited By Sling Shot

In a dojo with only the weapons they can take off the wall: Staff, nunchuka, quando etc.

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#2  Edited By SUNMAN

Bronze Tiger would win everytime

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#3  Edited By John Valentine
SUNMAN said:
"Bronze Tiger would win everytime"

No.
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#4  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

I think Batman is a better fighter than Bronze Tiger.

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#5  Edited By SUNMAN

I'm prett sure Bronze tiger is a better fighter and is held in higher regards in DC's MA world. He is basically up there with Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva. The first two or three times they fought Bronze Tiger has basically gotten the better of him. Unless were just counting current Bonze Tiger were he is using a cane, even than he may still win.


I do not see how Batman would win without some form of prep or gadgets. 
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#6  Edited By King_Saturn
Bronze Tiger wins here
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#7  Edited By geraldthesloth

Bronze tiger takes this one

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#8  Edited By Fantasma Ghost

BT is the better fighter. If Batman was using his full equipment that would be another story.

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#9  Edited By King_Saturn
Fantasma Ghost said:
"BT is the better fighter. If Batman was using his full equipment that would be another story.
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Indeed
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#10  Edited By Fantasma Ghost
King Saturn said:
"Fantasma Ghost said:
"BT is the better fighter. If Batman was using his full equipment that would be another story.
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Indeed
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Yes Sir!  as you like to say!!!! lol
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#11  Edited By Kentaxx

BT takes it
Batman tried to fight BT, BT didnt fight back and he still kicked Batmans butt

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#12  Edited By vuviper
@SUNMAN said:

" I'm prett sure Bronze tiger is a better fighter and is held in higher regards in DC's MA world. He is basically up there with Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva. The first two or three times they fought Bronze Tiger has basically gotten the better of him. Unless were just counting current Bonze Tiger were he is using a cane, even than he may still win.
I do not see how Batman would win without some form of prep or gadgets. 
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I don't think you should use only their battles with each other to judge who is a better martial artist but look at all of their fights with other martial artist to judge. Batman stalemated Karate Kid twice but if someone asked me which is a better martial artist I would say Karate Kid, definitely , I would not say Batman is his equal. Also it's good to note when the fights occurred, I believe the times BT fought Batman was when Batman was younger, so even if he is better than him then, that doesn't mean he still is. For example, when Batman was young, he fought a man called Wrath, who was his equal. Later a younger Wrath emerged that was even stronger than the original, but he still lost to Batman. Lady Shiva was confident that she could beat Prometheus thinking that his files were at 2 years old and she knew that she could easily defeat herself from 2 years ago.
I still think Bronze Tiger would win, but not easily and not every time. I feel like Batman knows more martial arts, but Bronze Tiger is very quick and strong giving him a lot of hitting power.
 
what was that cane thing you were talking about?
 
@Kentaxx:
When did that happen?
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#13  Edited By Strafe Prower

Bronze Tiger already beat Bats.
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#14  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

Batman he has gotten a million times better since there last fight and is willing to break way more limits

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#15  Edited By Red_Blade

Batman
Bronze sucks right now

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#16  Edited By Zoom
@Red_Blade said:
"Bronze sucks right now "
We need a Suicide Squad series. 
 
Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the ending of the previous series but its getting out of hand for me.  I'm picking up random issues of Countdown to get my Suicide Squad fix because the little they show up in Checkmate and the occational mini just ain't enough.

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"Bronze Tiger already beat Bats. "
Pre crisis though.  He should still be better but...who knows?
 
 
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#17  Edited By Stronger

Can anyone post any scans of their fight???

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#18  Edited By Stronger

Anyway I go with Batman.

I think that if Batman didnt have morals and if he wouldnt hesitate to kill,he would be at least on Karate Kid level at h2h

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#19  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
Funnily enough, Batman did stalemate Karate Kid, with morals on. 
 
Anyway, the fight is either a stalemate or a narrow win for Bronze Tiger based on their canon encounters, but if we take overall wealth of feats into account, Batman could and should win far more often than not.
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#20  Edited By jashro44
@Stronger said:

Anyway I go with Batman.

I think that if Batman didnt have morals and if he wouldnt hesitate to kill,he would be at least on Karate Kid level at h2h

I think karate kid is way out of batmans league. The guy dodges kryptoninas.
 
Here is there fights btw if you still want to see it.
 
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Fight 2

 
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#21  Edited By Stronger

@jashro44:Thank you very much! Was Batman poisoned in that fight?

And you know know if Batman didnt have any morals he would be just like Owlman from Crisis on Two Earths.

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#22  Edited By Stronger

@Morpheus_: Correct

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#23  Edited By WaveMotionCannon

BT. The Karate Kid fight was PIS

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#24  Edited By crabtree

@geraldthesloth said:

Bronze tiger takes this one
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#25  Edited By jashro44
@Stronger: He was hit with the dart in the second fight before it reached a conclusion. Round 1 bronze tiger 1 shoted batman. There is another more recent fight which was separated by superman I think but I don't have the scans of that fight.
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#26  Edited By Ghost_Knight

Batman wins 6/10. Ben has slowed down a bit since the Richard Dragon series whereas Batman has only gotten better.

Plus, if you compare their combat record against similar opponents you'll see that Batman looks superior as well.

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#27  Edited By Stronger

@jashro44 said:

@Stronger: He was hit with the dart in the second fight before it reached a conclusion. Round 1 bronze tiger 1 shoted batman. There is another more recent fight which was separated by superman I think but I don't have the scans of that fight.

So you go with Bats or BT?

@WaveMotionCannon: I dont think so

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#28  Edited By Saren

@Morpheus_ said:

Funnily enough, Batman did stalemate Karate Kid, with morals on.

Anyway, the fight is either a stalemate or a narrow win for Bronze Tiger based on their canon encounters, but if we take overall wealth of feats into account, Batman could and should win far more often than not.

Wasn't a stalemate, in Countdown Bats admitted that KK won (or would have won), and then told him he wouldn't win a rematch.

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#29  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@CitizenBane said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Funnily enough, Batman did stalemate Karate Kid, with morals on.

Anyway, the fight is either a stalemate or a narrow win for Bronze Tiger based on their canon encounters, but if we take overall wealth of feats into account, Batman could and should win far more often than not.

Wasn't a stalemate, in Countdown Bats admitted that KK won (or would have won), and then told him he wouldn't win a rematch.

That's a retcon. In the Lightning Saga, they are very evenly matched until Bats sacrifices the use of his belt to position KK in front of Black Lightning for the tactical win.  
 
That, and I just prefer not to reference Countdown about...anything, honestly.
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#30  Edited By Saren

@Morpheus_: Fair enough, lol.

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#31  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@CitizenBane: I admit the way Countdown expanded on the Lighting Saga fight, though. Makes much greater sense that Batman would land a couple of hits but get very much overwhelmed by KK rather than just fight him to a standstill because he's Batman. And people only complain about Deathstroke vs JLA by Brad Meltzer.
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#32  Edited By Saren

@Morpheus_: Forget the Batman vs KK fight or the Deathstroke vs JLA fight, Meltzer had Jay Garrick claiming Red Tornado was faster than him.

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#33  Edited By Supreme Marvel

@Morpheus_: Wan't the battle between KK and Bat's the arc when KK was sick? Which eventually killed him.

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#34  Edited By jashro44
@Stronger: I'm not sure. Not really an expert on bronze tiger. I only know him from a few showings.
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#35  Edited By WaveMotionCannon
@Stronger You don't think so what? KK has sparred with Kryptonians and broken mountains of ice ( scan is here somewhere), Batman beating him ( where are the scans) is truly PIS
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#36  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Supreme Marvel said:

@Morpheus_: Wan't the battle between KK and Bat's the arc when KK was sick? Which eventually killed him.

He wasn't in the original story, no idea if they retconned him into being ill during Countdown, but I don't remember that, either. 
 
@WaveMotionCannon said:
@Stronger You don't think so what? KK has sparred with Kryptonians and broken mountains of ice ( scan is here somewhere), Batman beating him ( where are the scans) is truly PIS
Batman did not beat him, but he was holding his own against him. I'll come up with the scans.
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#37  Edited By jeanroygrant

Bronze Tiger

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#38  Edited By WaveMotionCannon

This guy using Bats holding his own against a sick Karate Kid as a high showing is crazy.

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#39  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@WaveMotionCannon said:

This guy using Bats holding his own against a sick Karate Kid as a high showing is crazy.

Reading comprehension difficulty is not an excuse.
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#40  Edited By WaveMotionCannon
@Morpheus_ What are you saying?
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#41  Edited By Static Shock

@Morpheus_ said:

Funnily enough, Batman did stalemate Karate Kid, with morals on.

Anyway, the fight is either a stalemate or a narrow win for Bronze Tiger based on their canon encounters, but if we take overall wealth of feats into account, Batman could and should win far more often than not.

Co-sign.

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#42  Edited By Static Shock

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@Stronger You don't think so what? KK has sparred with Kryptonians and broken mountains of ice ( scan is here somewhere), Batman beating him ( where are the scans) is truly PIS

There are different versions of Karate Kid, just to be fair. In any case, Batman has never defeated Karate Kid, and no one said anything of the sort.

@Morpheus_: I don't think they retconned him into being sick, either. In fact, I don't think he was acutally sick until later into Countdown. He was able defeat Equus (a villain strong enough to withstand blows from Superman) without any indication of sickness.

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#43  Edited By WaveMotionCannon
@Static Shock you're right I went back, he said Bats stalemated KK twice. I still call PIS though and don't think it can be used to say Bats can beat BT
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#44  Edited By Cochise

Yes, Batman lost his first fight to Bronze Tiger... It is the norm for the lead character to lose the first fight with a new villain. Their second fight showed them as neck-and-neck, and their overall showings over the years show that while it is close, Batman edges BT out by a bit. Batman is an A-list martial artist, period. In any INDIVIDUAL fight, I can see either Batman or BT winning, but on average Batman will take a small majority.

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#45  Edited By Saren

Eh, I'm going to combine ABC logic with Simone's lack of understanding about power levels. Batman wins because BT barely beat Catman.

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#46  Edited By Stronger

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@Stronger You don't think so what? KK has sparred with Kryptonians and broken mountains of ice ( scan is here somewhere), Batman beating him ( where are the scans) is truly PIS

Please tell me where did you see me writing that Batman has ever beaten KK in h2h?

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#47  Edited By Stronger

@CitizenBane said:

Eh, I'm going to combine ABC logic with Simone's lack of understanding about power levels. Batman wins because BT barely beat Catman.

Correct!

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#48  Edited By WaveMotionCannon
@Stronger You didn't. I misread what VuViper posted and Static checked me on it.
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#49  Edited By Stronger

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@Stronger You didn't. I misread what VuViper posted and Static checked me on it.

OK man I forgive you !:p

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#50  Edited By WaveMotionCannon

Lol. Everything's cool. I jumped myself out there. ;)