Batman vs Black Canary

" @Crom-Cruach said:

" I'll point this out again for those who might forget it. But PIS aside, the only people that can take Cassie at street level are Shiva Richard Dragon and Deathstroke. "

Deathstroke already stated that the only ways to take her out are from across the street with a sniper or by getting in her head.   

@Silver2467: Oh. LOL When people talk about Superhuman speed in DC I automatically assume they are referring to the Flash or Superman. "

" @Ferro Vida: Based on his showings and his abilities this makes no sense. He should be able to take Cassie. "

" @Ferro Vida said:

" @Crom-Cruach said:

" I'll point this out again for those who might forget it. But PIS aside, the only people that can take Cassie at street level are Shiva Richard Dragon and Deathstroke. "

Deathstroke already stated that the only ways to take her out are from across the street with a sniper or by getting in her head.   

True, but I believe he could at least hold his own against her. 
 

@Silver2467: Oh. LOL When people talk about Superhuman speed in DC I automatically assume they are referring to the Flash or Superman. "

That's alright. Numerous metahumans in DC have overt levels of speed. I can understand that.  "

He can hold her own against her, but I see why he hasn't won. "

" @Silver2467: I disagree, he should win. Cassie may be more skilled but  Deathstroke's abilities would hand him the win. Worse part about me constantly saying this is I don't like saying this again and again, it makes me sound like a fanboy. But fact is as far as Street Levelers go he makes most of them look like total amateurs and the others, based on showing he'd beat.  "

" @Silver2467: @Iron Fist:
 

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" @Crom-Cruach: The reason I believe Cassandra is at least as skilled as Shiva is because she defeated her, held her own against Deathstroke (who said that she could defeat him, if I remember correctly), was stated by BatMan to be superior to him, and has myriads of other combat feats that put her on top. Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, and BatMan are four of the top five fighters on New Earth (excluding Wonder Woman, as I do not know specifically where to place her and because of her superhuman powers). Cassandra has proven to supersede a few of them in skill. That is a testament to what she is truly capable of. "

" He is also brilliant with prep. Slade is a god among street levelers. "

" All three are brilliant martial artists, geniuses, highly resourceful, and have fairly impressive physical attributes (for street levelers, that is). On top of these attributes, however, despite the fact that they are street levelers, all three of them are capable of contending with the most powerful beings on the planet because of their intelligence and effectiveness with prep time. "

" I do not in any respect lowball Deathstroke. I just do not consider him capable of defeating Cassandra one on one, without prep, based on showings.  "

" @Ferro Vida: I see. It is impressive on Iron Fist's part, even if Hercules was intoxicated.  "

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Ferro Vida: I see. It is impressive on Iron Fist's part, even if Hercules was intoxicated.  "

Indeed, since intoxication doesn't decrease his durability.  But you were talking about overpowered street levelers. It doesn't get much more overpowered then punching out a God. "

" @Ferro Vida:  Iron Fist with Chi Powers is not even close to a street leveler thought. "

" @Ferro Vida said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Ferro Vida: I see. It is impressive on Iron Fist's part, even if Hercules was intoxicated.  "

Indeed, since intoxication doesn't decrease his durability.  But you were talking about overpowered street levelers. It doesn't get much more overpowered then punching out a God. "

I can agree with that. Without prep, Iron Fist would effortlessly slaughter most, if not all street levelers single handedly.

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Ferro Vida said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Ferro Vida: I see. It is impressive on Iron Fist's part, even if Hercules was intoxicated.  "

Indeed, since intoxication doesn't decrease his durability.  But you were talking about overpowered street levelers. It doesn't get much more overpowered then punching out a God. "

I can agree with that. Without prep, Iron Fist would effortlessly slaughter most, if not all street levelers single handedly.

:P "

" @Crom-Cruach said:

" @Ferro Vida: Based on his showings and his abilities this makes no sense. He should be able to take Cassie. "

He struggles in his first encounter with Batman and barely won.
 
Based on Cassie's showing and power set I think it does make sense.
 
@Silver2467 said:

" @Ferro Vida said:

" @Crom-Cruach said:

" I'll point this out again for those who might forget it. But PIS aside, the only people that can take Cassie at street level are Shiva Richard Dragon and Deathstroke. "

Deathstroke already stated that the only ways to take her out are from across the street with a sniper or by getting in her head.   

True, but I believe he could at least hold his own against her. 
 

@Silver2467: Oh. LOL When people talk about Superhuman speed in DC I automatically assume they are referring to the Flash or Superman. "

That's alright. Numerous metahumans in DC have overt levels of speed. I can understand that.  "

He can hold her own against her, but I see why he hasn't won. "

"That is a fair point actually. Based on his showings in recent years, he seems to have evolved past the point of simply being a street leveler. That is debatable though. "

" @Silver2467 said:

"That is a fair point actually. Based on his showings in recent years, he seems to have evolved past the point of simply being a street leveler. That is debatable though. "

When a character can shatter buildings with a single punch. Can K.O giant Lung Dragons and more he is not a street leveler. Iron Fist has done both. "

" @FinalStar86: Depowered Slade also had his @ss handed to him by both Batman and Nightwing. "

" @Ferro Vida:  Which is not without sense to me. Mind you, I think he should still give both a great fight even without his powers. Thought without his powers he should lose. "

" @FinalStar86: he reason for that is because Deathstroke will not underestimate himself "

" @Silver2467 said:

" @FinalStar86: he reason for that is because Deathstroke will not underestimate himself "

Which makes this statement all the more wrong to me since he can take on the Titans by himself. I just don't see him losing to to Cassie 1 on 1. "

" @Crom-Cruach said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" @FinalStar86: he reason for that is because Deathstroke will not underestimate himself "

Which makes this statement all the more wrong to me since he can take on the Titans by himself. I just don't see him losing to to Cassie 1 on 1. "

True, but classic level Titans were not as powerful as they are now. Currently, Deathstroke usually only defeats them on his own when he has prep.  "

" @Silver2467: I agree that if written properly that Donna should be able to take out Slade easily but owning Ravager Jericho and Nightwing at the same time is still a pretty damn impressive feat  TBH Though now adays the only street level character I see that gives Slade alot of trouble is Cass and as stated earlier they never had a true fight "

sound nullifier s in the cowl , like super ear pugs ! 

"Battle 1: Batman Battle 2: Either way Battle 3: Black Canary "

1. Batman for the win.
2. Batman for the win.
3. Could go either way.

" sound nullifier s in the cowl , like super ear pugs !  "

" Battle One: BatMan wins. Dinah is very skilled, but based on showings, BatMan is superior to her. Battle Two: It depends. Considering the fact that morals apply, Dinah may not use her Cry for fear of severely injuring or killing BatMan. In which case, BatMan would win again, especially given the equipment he has. However, if she does use her Cry, she will defeat him.  Battle Three: Black Canary wins. With no morals, she will simply scream her lungs out and kill BatMan, as well as destroy the surrounding area. 

 

1. Batman 2. Canary (she can control it to just daze him) 3. Canary (the cry is pretty lethal)

1.Batman

2.Batman

3.Batman

Oracle stated in birds of prey that BC could outfight batman.

@Morpheus_ said:

Oracle should probably stop experimenting with illegal psychotropic substances.

lol.

@Morpheus_: Ok?