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Batman/Red Hood/Jason Todd

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Gear:

  • Battle for the Cowl Batsuit.
  • 2 Handguns.
  • Bat-Claw.
  • Kris.
  • Remote Explosives.
  • Smoke/Flash/Frag Grenades.
  • Assortment of thrown weapons.
  • Tasers.
  • One canister of fear gas.

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Black Widow/Natasha Romanoff

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Gear:

  • Standard Black Widow Suit (With the zipper all the way up).
  • 2 Handguns.
  • Widow's Bite/Kiss/Line.
  • Combat Knife.
  • Remote Explosives.
  • Frag Grenades.
  • Tasers.
  • One canister of tear-gas.

Rules:

  • Jason is Post-Crisis/New 52, and in character.
  • Black Widow is current 616, and in character.
  • Both are willing to kill without hesitation.
  • Neither are in the mood for sex, so no, it doesn't end it in.

Setup:

Jason has taken over Gotham City (Daredevil Shadowland style). Black Widow is given the mission to take him out dead or alive. Jason hears about his would be killer coming to Gotham, so he stays alert. Black Widow arrives undetected, but can she stay that way? Or does she become her target's target?

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Fight to this song:

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  • Neither are in the mood for sex, so no, it doesn't end it in.

Beastie Boys makes them horny, they have sex.

Wait umm...wasn't his suit like Bulletproof? Also Fear Gas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tear Gas.

Like normal humans can take Tear Gas, honestly it's sort of an over-hyped thing.

Take out the Fear Gas, it's an auto win trump card.

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I predict a lot of low-balling in this thread. Both of these characters get treated like chopped liver on the battle forums, even though both have some awesome feats.

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#4  Edited By AllStarSuperman

@lukehero said:

Wait umm...wasn't his suit like Bulletproof?

Also Fear Gas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tear Gas. Like normal humans can take Tear Gas, honestly it's sort of an over-hyped thing. Take out the Fear Gas, it's an auto win trump card.

It should be. But nothing is truely bulletproof. Also I would assume the needles or what ever that shoot out of her gauntlets could penetrate it, maybe. Also I read on her wiki that her suit is bullet proof as well.

I guess, but they both had them for gear in comics. Also since Natasha has SSS wouldn't she be more resistant to it?

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Stalemate.

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@allstarsuperman: To Fear Gas? No. It's not a poison, it's messing with your head, not trying to kill you, even Wolverine has been affected by fear gas(like the kind The Ninjas used in Back in Japan). I'm not joking when I say this, Captain America once got high off of Drugs and went into a rage. I'll show you the comic feats if I need to.

Yeah, nothing is 100%bullet proof, but his head and face are covered, while hers isn't. It's sort of a big advantage in a gun battle.

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@lukehero said:

I'm not joking when I say this, Captain America once got high off of Drugs and went into a rage. I'll show you the comic feats if I need to.

I'd love to see that.

Yeah, nothing is 100%bullet proof, but his head and face are covered, while hers isn't. It's sort of a big advantage in a gun battle.

It is, but I can honestly say Natasha holds the reaction time advantage. Jason may slice GA and Speedy's arrows out of the air, but BW has blocked a bullet from the Punisher off her arm.

Stalemate.

How so?

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I'm going to read up on Black Widow real quick before I start.

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#12  Edited By nefarious

Jason. More skilled with weapons and in H2H combat.

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I'm going to read up on Black Widow real quick before I start.

She is on the top of my "to read about" list.

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Captain America #375-376 1990

Written by Mark Gruenwald who at one time was Marvel's editor in chief. So this is some real ****.

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@lukehero said:

I'm not joking when I say this, Captain America once got high off of Drugs and went into a rage. I'll show you the comic feats if I need to.

I'd love to see that.

Yeah, nothing is 100%bullet proof, but his head and face are covered, while hers isn't. It's sort of a big advantage in a gun battle.

It is, but I can honestly say Natasha holds the reaction time advantage. Jason may slice GA and Speedy's arrows out of the air, but BW has blocked a bullet from the Punisher off her arm.

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Stalemate.

How so?

From what I understand, their stats and skills are practically tit-for-tat

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#16  Edited By Transformers1024

@allstarsuperman: Right now Elektra and Widow are at the top of mine. I'm thinking of picking up both their Marvel Now series tomorrow.

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#17  Edited By AllStarSuperman

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@allstarsuperman: Right now Elektra and Widow are at the top of mine. I'm thinking of picking up both their Marvel Now series tomorrow.

I have only read a single issue from either run, Widow's art is awesome, Elektra's is really really funky. Pretty soon I am gonna buy a trade that has 2 different 3 issue volumes in one book, cause its at my store.

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Jason. More skilled with weapons and in H2H combat.

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Jason... Easily.

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Black Widow.

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Ends in Spooning

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How does todd take this easily?? if its the todd on venom then ok... he's beat shiva... but if not then black widow could take him....

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Wait...just saw N52 feats allowed. Jason with ease.

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@axle124 said:

How does todd take this easily?? if its the todd on venom then ok... he's beat shiva... but if not then black widow could take him....

No he is not on venom. Yes he beat Shiva. How can BW take him?

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@tparks said:

I predict a lot of low-balling in this thread. Both of these characters get treated like chopped liver on the battle forums, even though both have some awesome feats.

Jason doesn't really get treated like chopped liver, people just call out his fans for grossly overhyping him.

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@tparks said:

I predict a lot of low-balling in this thread. Both of these characters get treated like chopped liver on the battle forums, even though both have some awesome feats.

Jason doesn't really get treated like chopped liver, people just call out his fans for grossly overhyping him.

Jason one-shots TOAA

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Jason doesn't really get treated like chopped liver, people just call out his fans for grossly overhyping him.

It goes both ways.

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Jason one-shots TOAA

Get outta here with that sh!t.

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@i_like_swords said:

Jason doesn't really get treated like chopped liver, people just call out his fans for grossly overhyping him.

It goes both ways.

@artyom said:

Jason one-shots TOAA

Get outta here with that sh!t.

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#35  Edited By axle124

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tell you the truth I don't know enough on current BW to know if she could but her past she could... She has own version of the super soldier serum and could easily match him move for move in the skill department... she would be faster and have more agility too... she had a healing factor... the thing in this battle tho is fear gas??? would her super soldier serum knock that out? if not then todd would probably win the majority....

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I gotta give it to Jason Todd. Black Widow may be enhanced, but Jason has fought better people than her, and he's smarter.

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@allstarsuperman:

tell you the truth I don't know enough on current BW to know if she could but her past she could... She has own version of the super soldier serum and could easily match him move for move in the skill department... she would be faster and have more agility too... she had a healing factor... the thing in this battle tho is fear gas??? would her super soldier serum knock that out? if not then todd would probably win the majority....

What does she have for skill, other then fighting on par with Elektra? I think she's faster, but Jason's agility has been compared to Dick Grayson, the worlds best acrobat. How strong of a HF?

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basically a little less than caps... her skill is probably would make her second tier fighter basically the same as Jason.... Her and Electra would be pretty close comparison... I think BW has stalemated cap?? I could be wrong.... she has stalemated electra a few times... beat punisher(well more got the drop on him) Most of her feats will be against second tier fighters but she has quite a few really good showings against big dogs... She would be a lot faster than him at her peak... but that doesn't mean todd doesn't win.... I will do some research and see if I could give a more educated guess.. in this battle the fear gas is what has me leaning towards todd,, but strictly h2h,, would be a toss up imo..

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@axle124: She fought Punisher in War Zone and she stalemated him. She has never been close to Captain America's level whatsoever.

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I knew she stalemated frank once,,, but she did beat him(again technically it wasn't much of a fight,, he shot at her and she surprised him, so we can not count that) And I am pretty sure she stalemated cap once??(I am checking) and no she isn't anywhere near cap but neither is Jason... so that's not important... again for this particular fight I think I take Jason but take the fear gas away and I think its pretty even...

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Jason stomps with all blades

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@allstarsuperman: Ah, i was waiting for someone to say that.

All Blades aren't physical weapons that can be brought to battle. Summoning All Blades is an ability, since the op doesn't restrict them, Jason can conjure them.

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@allstarsuperman: Ah, i was waiting for someone to say that.

All Blades aren't physical weapons that can be brought to battle. Summoning All Blades is an ability, since the op doesn't restrict them, Jason can conjure them.

I am the OP, and I listed the characters gear.

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@allstarsuperman: I know what you're saying, but All Blades aren't gear, there an ability. You can't bring them to a battle, you conjure them.

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@midnightdragon18: I get it, but including them just adds to the whole "Jason one shots" vs "Jason sucks and is overrated cause I don't actually know is feats" bullcrap.

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