Batman Beyond (DCAU) vs Captain America (MCU)

Batman Beyond:

VS

Captain America (MCU):

When Batman Beyond takes on Captain America, who will win?

DCAU/MCU versions, respectively

Fight takes place in the streets of New York City at twilight. Starting distance is 50 feet

Both are in character. Victory by ko

Round 1:

Cap has no shield

Terry can use no ranged weapons

Round 2:

Shield/ranged weapons allowed

Who wins?

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Terry has a number of advantages, but I feel like Cap is the better fighter if we are only using the cannon of the DCAU and not the comics. So I will still say Cap wins.

@lukehero: edited the op

Cap both rounds. Terry was shaky as a H2H fighter while in the context of the show. He had to go back and learn more. Terry has much more versatility, but cap is still a better all around fighter and was much better at coming up with battle plans on the fly. Terry often had to get help/suggestions from Bruce & even Maxine. He certainly isn't a bad fighter, but Cap is simply better. Also when it comes to morals Cap has the edge in my mind as he is willing to kill if pushed. Where as Terry isn't down for murdering people.

Cant terry just drop him from a building

That's assuming he can grab him and get him to that height successfully, but Cap wouldn't make that easy. Plus that's not really in character for Terry (though he might try something like that once he realizes Cap's enhanced)

Old Bruce comes and beats them both up.

@nerdchore: If Terry were to do that, Steve could just land on his shield

true, true

Is old bruce directing him or is he on his own.

Cap is a better fighter probably, but Terry's suit and gadgetry could pose a big problem. That suit can be very powerful. Case in point when Vance takes over the suit and tears through a rock wall in the Batcave to escape. Terry might not use that kind of strength immediately, but once he decides to, its mostly over for Cap. Also, the suits invisibility could be a game changer.

Edit: Suit's durability could be more than cap can handle. It's taken shots from stronger people.

Are comic feats allowed?

I'm not overly familiar with the comic feats, do they make this more or less fair?

Which do you think would be fairer?

The comics show that Old Bruce stopped assisting Terry after he graduated high school, allowing Dick to take over the role. Terry is also much more formidable as well, relying more on his gear, using gadgets he didn't utilize in the show, and being a smarter combatant. In Batman Beyond 2.0, he easily took out Shriek, Inque, and Spellbinder (his three most powerful villains) one-by-one, using stealth and tactics. He also took on and outsmarted Justice Lord Superman, albeit in a slightly different iteration of his suit. Comic feats would tip things solidly in Terry's favor, IMO.

@arcus1: with bruces help he should win each time. Without he has a harder time cause the show didnt utilize his skills very well.

Hmm, sounds impressive. I'll need to check those out

Sounds like it'd be fairer without comic feats

Let's say he doesn't have Bruce's help then

I clicked on to the thread and then i read the title again.

Ahahahaha.....

Terry has technology and more abilities over movie Captain America so he wins this

@saiyan77: both rounds?

Considering Cap's recent feats against Iron Man, I wouldn't say Terry using that kind of strength means it's over for Cap

I love Terry but there's no way around the fact that he struggles with or outright loses to peak humans pretty regularly. Think of Return of the Joker and tell me Cap's going to do worse than Joker did. His suit has a couple high end feats but it's not consistent at all.

With gadgets Cap wins at least 50%, HTH Cap is never going to lose.

@captain_clown: a peak human in the DCAU would be moderately superhuman in the MCU. Terry's suit has a number of superhuman feats, I'll post some later

Terry has cloaking, enhanced durability( taking multiple close range explosives, building size falls with no issues) super strength with blows that rivals Cap's, and don't get me started on his explosive bat-a-rangs and lasers.

Cap hasn't fought anyone with this level of versatility, the closest he has was Iron man and he didn't even want to fight him, yes I'm aware of the fight scene at the end. (he was also kind of limited, but that's another story,). He may not be as good of a fighter as Cap, and Cap is slightly more stronger, but his other abilities more than makes up for it.

Also there's no speed gap between the two.

@heatblaze123: He's not going to waste time cloaking at that close range of 50 feet. He's not going to use explosives on a human looking opponent. In the cartoon he struggled with several h2h melee fighter types including that African hunter guy, that ninja cult, and others.

wasn't the african hunter dude super human?

also comic terry takes easy. His superior technology likely gives show terry the edge as well.

Then again, cap did out muscle iron man twice in ca... but i'd say that was pis

DCAU Bats takes this handily. 8/10

@kbroskywalker: Yes he was, but he didn't do anything above Caps power levels when it comes to stats. This isn't comic terry. It's DCAU. He doesn't get comic feats. Cap whoops him up.

@heatblaze123: Only cap didn't struggle with Crossbones and Crossbones punches didn't phase him. Terry's main weakness was melee/h2h fighting which is why Bruce sent him to training. Cap can dodge and block his bat gadgets. While fast, it's not like his batarangs are moving at bullet speed.

He flew fast enough to keep up with planes, was able to solo numerous superhuman lizardguys, survived blows of lightning and mr.freeze's blasts, he seemed pretty impressive to me.

As promised

@zaied: @lukehero: so there appears to be at least 2 comic series that are canon to the DCAU, do either of you know if they all come after the show or if any of them are supposed to take place during the show's time?

@arcus1 said:

All of them take place after the show, other than the first two comic runs from when the show was still on the air.

EDIT: I believe Terry wins both rounds, even without comic feats, btw. The idea that he struggles against skilled opponents is false, as is the idea that Bruce and Max helped him in fights. Terry utilized his own plans and tactics 99% of the time, and routinely beat/gave Curare and Stalker trouble who were both skilled and enhanced combatants (they easily deflected gunfire, blitzed groups of armed men, had super strength, etc). Joker taking him on isn't a bad feat for Terry since it's explained how Joker became such a good fighter. Plus, their actual fight was more of a stalemate.

Terry has simply prevailed against much tougher than what Cap will present. With his own skill and wits, he has beaten Mad Stan, Curare, Inque, Stalker, and Shriek who'd all beat MCU Cap with ease. He even beat his own Batsuit while in street clothes and without any gear, which I doubt Steve could do.

@heatblaze123: He's 50 feet away. Terry would use stealth as a tool to sneak up on people, but not dudes that were sitting right in front of him. His cloaking was good, but hardly 100% full proof invisible. IIRC there were times where people noticed his general outline. Also I can name several fights like the fight with curare, mad Stan, and the joker where he didn't spam gadgets or use his cloak mode when he was right in front of them.

@kbroskywalker: He was good for what he was doesn't change the fact that Captian America is the better melee fighter and since they are 50 feet away they are going to naturally and logically engage in close quarters combat. Cap is better in this situation and beats Terry up.

In round one neither are even allowed to use gadgets and it's pretty clear who is the better H2h fighter...

yea capes takes that no question, i'm assuming suit is a gadget

No he has the suit in round 1. The only thing he doesn't have is his ranged weapons (so batarangs, bolas, stuff like that). Everything else is allowed

Thanks

No, the suit wouldn't count. He gets his Batman Beyond suit. He would still get whooped.

suit is stronger than caps

I'd disagree. Iron Man wasn't impressive to me in Civil War. Destroying the Batcave wall is far beyond anything Iron Man did in Civil War.

There's no reason to think his armor got much weaker compared to previous showings

Terry's suit gives him every physical advantage, Cap only beats him in hand-to-hand skill, but neither gap is as big as some might think. Cap could win this, but it's much more likely Terry will. He has more options and it's too difficult for Cap to cause decent amounts of damage to Terry's suit.

Actually theres the scene where he gets a contusion from the car landing on him. Even the Mark 3 took a tank shell with no damage in Iron Man 1. His suit seems to be weaker.

He wasn't noticeably hurt from the cars (and it wasn't just a car landing on him, it was Wanda slamming a number of cars on him). Yeah Friday said there were contusions, but it's not like they were significant

They still got through his armor. Compared to suits from Avengers and even Iron Man one, there's no evidence to suggest that Tony's suits aren't weaker now.

Why can't they just be that strong? Cap's shield lodged itself in Ultron in AoU

True true. Honestly Tony was just so disappointing in Civil War. I still feel like Cap can't really stand up to the suit's strength and durability.