Batman Battle of the Month VOTING: Batman Beyond vs. Ultimate Spider-Man

@jashro44: Which seems fair. I think a case could be made for either party. Terry does have means to get some distance, at least for a brief period of time. Like if he tried to jet off, Miles could web him back, but that still allows moments for him to think. Terry can be quick witted when he wants to be, and he has some tricks that I think could be useful. The suit can heat up to 4000 degree, something he has used to hurt Micron and get out of an iceblock. And aside from the batarangs, he uses the taser quite a bit sometimes. And it was enough to drop and stun Big Barda for a few moments. He doesn't exactly need to aim it or hit you with his hands. It covers the whole suit and it could be used for defense in conjunction with his durability to get in a major offensive move. Miles hits him and zap. He has other gear, but due to the one off times he uses it, some of them won't be a factor, or may be used once. He had sonics the suit could generate that cut copper off of people, and he has displayed tear gas he can deploy from his wings. The only problem is really his character which is him mostly fighting in melee or batarangs.

Terry has way more experience than Miles. He has so many different ways to take Miles down its ludicrous. Miles just can't win this.

I'm sure Electro thought the same thing right before Miles took him down.

Thank you. You would think this was a mismatch looking at those polls. ]

The same Electro who got shot by Aunt may? You can't compare them at all.

^^^^ hahahahaha exactly

@patrat18:

=] That was funny, i gotta check that one out, i love when aunt may does her thing.

Electro still made quick work of iron man though and he got shot multiple times by hawkeye without batting an eye. It doesn't matter if you're a hero or a villain you're gonna have at least one low showing.

Sure miles isn't a seasoned veteran but he's had some nice showings in battle, he has a solid chin and he always manages to put his opponent down, in fact i don't think he's lost one battle since the infamous satellite knockout when he was fighting jessica.

He has just the right combination of fearlessness, luck and innate skill; combine that with his physicals and throw in that venom blast of his and he has the goods to put up a decent fight in many situations.

Trust the k4tzm4ns judgement on this one, it's a lot closer than you're makin it out to be.

@brokenspear: Before this becomes a full on debate. Do you read Batman beyond?

@patrat18:

Nah, i read Godspawns post about his comic book showings though and i watched the batman beyond series in it's entirety a couple of weeks ago. I factored in his increased experience as best as i could, but even with that there still doesn't seem to be much of a difference in regards to his fighting style.

I was actually set to vote for terry, but since i have a marvel account i decided to read up on miles and found myself pleasantly surprised.

I understand why people are voting for terry, and i could probably craft a compelling post for him to win under different circumstances, but due to terry's fighting style i think a random encounter favors miles far too much.

@brokenspear: I really think you should start. He really have alot of gadgets to put Miles down. And alot of different ways to take him out. If they both had prep Terry would stomp. I've kept up with both books.

I've completely given up on any poll-based battles even these "Batman Battle of the week" ones. It doesn't matter how much thought K4tz puts into these...polls are popularity contests. Polls will tell you that Wolverine beats Lobo, Storm Beats Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man beats Superboy. As soon as you put a poll in the battle...you take away the obligation to think.

The polls don't really matter its mostly the discussion that does.

Yea I was also thinking of how Terry would try to fight miles? He is just a kid. I kind of think he would go a bit easy on him (at least at first).

@jashro44: To be fair, Miles is in a mask and suit. Terry doesn't know he is a kid, and the only thing he could judge off of that is size. But Terry faces teenagers on a regular basis, particularly meaning the Jokers, and he whips them. But an unknown opponent, he might at first. But then he will realize how fast and strong this kid and probably go from there, and he will either make his attacks count, or Terry gets beat on with physicals, webbing, venom sting, etc.

@god_spawn: Yea thats what I was thinking.

@jashro44: That's part of my point...most of the people that vote don't take part in the discussion. 415 votes...161 posts. And a lot of people that post do so more than once. There's probably close to 300 votes without posts.

So? Just don't focus on the pole and ignore it. Pretend this is a normal battle thread.

@jashro44: At least Miles has had more support here in the discussion. I guess that is what counts.

Pretty much. These battles are just for fun. The argument of the week is mainly just there to inspire people to think things through.

@jashro44: I just hate seeing Ultimate Characters get down played. Most Marvel movies are base on Ultimate Comics, yet the characters from Ultimate Verse get crapped on on the battle forums.

Actually the movies are kind of like a mix of both 616 and Ultimate

@shawnbaby: Yes, however, know one ever realizes Robert Downy Jr. was a purpose joke in the Ultimate Comics before Jr. was cast for the Iron Man Movie. Same with Nick Fury being Samuel L Jackson.

They also heavily borrowed Costume themes from the Ultimate Line Up like Hawkeye, Black Widow (Whos outfit in Ultimates was way better than 616), as well many other themes. No one notices that stuff at all and think it was pulled from a hat.

Even the Avengers initial Line Up was more true to Ultimates initial Line Up than 616 Avengers. Cap, Hawkeye, Wasp, Thor, IM, and Hulk. All part of the initial Ultimate Line Up with Giant Man being the only one missing.

Also the Movie version of Avengers was funded by Shield from the get go. Just like the Ultimates and not the 616 Avengers who relied o Tony from the get go and never fully run by the government :/.

No one notices these thing lol.

Black Widow and Hawkeye look like Ultimates. Iron Man and Captain America look like 616. Thor looks kind of like a mash-up of both. Hulk is Hulk.

The Characters act more like the 616 versions than the Ultimate versions. Bruce Banner especially.

The Avengers have been government sponsored at times. And I'd challenge that point that the Avengers were ever under Fury's control in the movie. He brought them together...but they spent most of the movie ignoring his orders.

Maria Hill is 616.

Wasp, Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk were all original avengers. And they were formed to stop Loki. Captain America wasn't a founding member...but he joined up in issue 4.

SHIELD's Base of Operations is the Helicarrier...not the Triskelion. Straight up 616.

@shawnbaby: actually Captain America in the first movie looked and acted (he shot people left and right ) like Ultimate Captain America. Also Ultimates operated from the Helicarrier 90% of the comics.

Captain America Shot People in WW2 in 616 as well. That's not something they invented in the Ultimates.

@shawnbaby: show me one scan of 616 killing someone intentionally. He never does and most people believe he never has.

In WW2 he killed lots of people. It's only as a superhero that he doesn't kill.

I love Miles. His book is awesome. I think you guys don't read Batman beyond because he's not really part of the new 52. Miles just can't win here. I haven't seen an argument yet that says he would.

Steve has no problem killing as a superhero. He was bred to be a soldier. I frankly do not know where people picked up the idea that he has a no kill code. Is he moralistic? Yes, but he's not Batman or anything of that ilk.

Then can you show me one scan where he kills someone. Please. Its easy to say "He is a Soldier" yet I have 20 Scans of Ultimate Cap killing a target or planning the death of a foe. 616 Cap, not seen one scan.....

I have not seen a argument or Scans Spam that says Terry could.

Really i've seen plenty. In particular Gspawns.

Nothing that convinces me, or nothing Miles has not dealt with already. I guess that makes us see different views. Like all the others who debated for Miles.

616 Cap just isn't kill happy like Ultimate Cap.

Here you go. Sharon Carter notes how Steve's reckless actions killed one of their enemies, and Steve isn't bothered.

@wolverine08: You proved my point!

He never meant to kill someone. That was just cause of his reckless actions, not him intentionally taking a life.

Thats not true. Steve has killed before.

@slimj87d@veshark Probably have some instances of using lethal force. I believe he killed those super soldiers when he was depowered as well all though I don't remember (I know he did use a shot gun). I believe it was shown in Brubakers run that Steve did kill in war.

@cadencev2: What? Sharon called his actions which led to people dying reckless, but Steve shrugged it off as him doing his job. If he had a kill code, he would have wallowing about killing people. Plus, he killed a group of super soldiers with a fire extinguisher once when he was depowered...

@cadencev2:

I still stick to my "too close to call" vote, but I would have voted Miles if I thought people were going to downplay him so much...

Ok.

@jashro44 said:

@cadencev2 said:

@shawnbaby: show me one scan of 616 killing someone intentionally. He never does and most people believe he never has.

Thats not true. Steve has killed before.

@slimj87d@veshark Probably have some instances of using lethal force. I believe he killed those super soldiers when he was depowered as well all though I don't remember (I know he did use a shot gun). I believe it was shown in Brubakers run that Steve did kill in war.

He killed a vampire =/, lol.

You're back huh? You little punk! YOu can't leave for long! HAHAHAHAH!

@slimj87d said:

@jashro44 said:

@cadencev2 said:

@shawnbaby: show me one scan of 616 killing someone intentionally. He never does and most people believe he never has.

Thats not true. Steve has killed before.

@slimj87d@veshark Probably have some instances of using lethal force. I believe he killed those super soldiers when he was depowered as well all though I don't remember (I know he did use a shot gun). I believe it was shown in Brubakers run that Steve did kill in war.

He killed a vampire =/, lol.

So we have, he carried guns with reluctance, but never flat out stated or shown to kill with them. Then Killing a Undead.... My point stands. He does not kill at all really.

I only needed a break to focus on school and family. then I gradually came back in. I honestly wanted to stay off till January, but I was so bored and too poor to go out and do anything :/

@wolverine08:

I haven't read this whole thing about Cap but, are we saying it's wrong for a soldier to not show remorse for engagement with an enemy threat?

@cadencev2: I don't see how he could possibly use a grenade to wound someone...Or a flame thrower.

@slimj87d I thought it was stated in Brubakers run he killed Nazi's?

It never stated he used them at all. only carried them. I carried a 9mm or M-16 most of my time in the Navy, never used them....

I don't know... I'd have to go through Volume 1-3, the classic age, and that would take FOREVER to see if he has killed anyone.

@granitesoldier: It's subjective. One person might view the soldier as a bastard for killing his enemy, while another might view him as a hero.

Let me know ASAP!

I'm trying to think through all volumes. I usually have a good recollection of Brubakers run but I can't think of anywhere of him saying he killed Nazis.