BaT Tourny Round 1: arsenal1886 vs amazingangel (wins)

Buy a Team Tournament: Round 1 arsenal1886 vs amazingangel

Teams

@arsenal1886

• Wolverine
• Captain America

VS

@amazingangel

• Ash
• Solid Snake
• Big Boss

Rules

Location - arsenal1886 is red, amazingangel is blue (there are no bystanders)

id like to start with a friendly good luck

my team may be disadvantaged in numbers but makes up for it in ability. wolverines healing factor will play a big role in this battle his durability is above everyone else nothing your team can throw at him will keep him down he will keep coming until he does what he does best kill in close hand to hand combat he is more than an adamantium wrecking machine with a healing factor he also has a lot of battle experience he's been around for a long time trained as a soldier, via operative a samurai and a vital member of the x men team. he is also physically enhanced he is faster, stronger, reflexes, more agile and has a greater stamina then anyone in your team.

captain america is no weak link in this team he is also physically enhanced being faster, stronger (cited as having strength of 10 men), more agile, better reflexes, peak human mental processing and has a lot more stamina then anyone in your team. he is one of the best hand to hand fighters in the marvel universe his defence is almost unbeatable with that shield of his and is trained in multiple disciplines of martial arts. his role in this battle is that that he is an expert tactician and he's got a great tool to use (wolverine) i think my team would win at least 7/10 times.

the longer this battle goes, the more in favour of my team it is your team will tire quicker and run out of ammo eventually while my teams has durability, stamina and relies on a shield and bare hands as weapons something that can't run out.

an example of how this fight could go is wolverine being send to go all guns blazing at your team in which case your team will have to all commit to shooting him trying to keep him down before he reaches them in now cap is free to to go around and take out ash who has very little hand to hand ability compared to snake and big boss cap should get there with wolverine staying up long enough for him to get there thats if he goes down then its 2 on 2 and your advantage of numbers is gone but don't get me wrong solid snake and big boss are not going to be easy they are great but just not good enough. i will add scans later

@arsenal1886: Ooops didn't see your comment above, anyway I did this as an opening argument so it doesn't address your point but I'll do a double post in a sec, oh yeah and good luck :)

In this debate I aim to put across that the three man team of Solid Snake, Big Boss and Ash Williams would defeat the two man team of Wolverine and Captain America, along with the simple numerical advantage I believe that both Snake and Big Boss outclass the opposing team in almost all categories with stats verging on the superhuman rather than peak human.

One clear advantage I aim to put across is expressed in the saying 'don't bring a knife to a gun fight' or you know a shield and some metal claws, both Snake and Big Boss carry a veritable arsenal with them as standard equipment, including grenades, pistols and assault rifles long and mid range defence and Ash is never without his trusty 'Boomstick' a terrific weapon for both mid and close range defence against enemies traveling at peak to athlete speeds if the user is proficient and these three are very proficient with they're weapons.

Firstly we have Big Boss, while his showingings might not be as impressive as his genetically modified clone son he has some very impressive marksmanship feats of his own. When Big Boss or Naked Snake was a relatively inexperienced soldier (compared to what he eventually becomes) he displayed incredible gun skill duelling with the renowned gunslinger Revolver ocelot.

Here Ocelot in an incredible marksmenship and reflexes feat, executes an entire military guard troop before any of them can react, one of them with a ricochet even (then is disabled by Snake who literally knocks his bullet out of the air as it leaves the barrel) and Snake calls him 'pretty good' and then goes on to give him tips.

Another feat for Ocelot (trust me I'm going somewhere with this) at about 9:00 is literally shooting electricity out of the air, I can't explain it he just does it, this is also a very good feat for Naked Snake's physical ability as he beats the clearly superhuman Volgin in a fist fight.

In this fight Snake (in canon only having his cut scene pistol.) manages to stalemate Ocelot with both pistols, which is a great feat to stalemate someone quick enough to shoot electrify out of the air.

and at about 5:30 in the video Snake physically bests Ocelot before matching him in shooting ability, shooting Ocelot even thug he had to catch the gun in midair and fire before Ocelot can fire at him.

Another marksmanship feat for Big Boss is defeating The End, who is known as 'the Father of Sniping' on his home turf, while The End has higher ground and Naked Snake still has to find him, as endurance, reaction and marksmanship feat which should more than qualify him to tag Peak Humans in a relatively open environment.

In a strength, combat and reflexes feat Snake defeats a bullet timing, cyborg ninja in hand to hand combat, A ninja comparable to Cyborg Raiden in combat feats and we all know how great he is on the vine.

An amazing feat of marksmanship and reflexes for Snake he out snipes Sniper Wolf while she is perfectly camouflaged and he is WEARING A BLACK SUIT IN WHITE SNOW!

My point is that this fight would be over before it even begins, Snake and Boss would have no trouble tagging Cap and taking hims out for good, Wolverine would be a lot more difficult to keep down, mainly because he would need to be K.O.ed but this is where Ash comes in, he regularly tags supernatural Deadites (he even tags a flying winged Deadite) so when Wolverine goes in for the kill on one member of the team...

• Ash could K.O. him with a shotgun blast to the head.
• Either Snake's could K.O. or incapacitate him in CQC combat
• Both Snake's carry shotguns and other concussive weaponry as standard (grenades, sometimes a rocket launcher)
• A well timed sniper bullet to the head.
• Especially a flash bang grenade or something similar to give the team a head start

Anyway thats my argument.

it would take a lot more than a shotgun shot to the head to ko wolverine all it would do is rip the flesh of his face leaving his main organ the brain in near perfect condition in his adamantium skull making him even more determined to kill, and then his flesh would grow back the punisher shot wolverines face then ended up getting his ass whipped. punisher also shot taken in the head multiple times and ended up getting sliced up into pieces(if you like i could provide scans of this just ask) and daken is not at wolverines level but ill also agree that punisher might not be on big boss or solid snakes level but he could destroy ash. Also caps biggest disadvantage is his boy scout morals the battle is no morals, cap with no morals is another beast altogether your characters always fight with no morals where cap is always fighting with morals. he has the strength to kill with one punch if he's not pulling his punches.

cap is no weak link he has loads of experience in battle. I know that Captain America was created to be the "ultimate human combatant" and a "Super Soldier". He's been facing bombs, guns and grenades his whole life. The fact that Big Boss has those doesn't mean much to a guy like Cap. Also, Cap has faced and beaten countless other "Super Soldiers" over the years who were as strong as Spider-Man and skilled fighters such as Protocide, US Agent, Nuke, Master Man, and others. this would be another "Super Soldier" challenge for Cap to beat. But, again, Ill agree its not exactly the same thing.

i think if needed cap could get a good vantage point to defend the shots taken also don't forget they are in an urban environment where my team is starting behind cars and next to open doors of buildings they are quick enough to move into a building before getting shot forcing your team to go in after them forcing the battle into close range where wolverine could easily get the jump on them and it would be impossible to get the jump on wolverine he could tell cap where the members of your team are by smell and then cap with his excellent tactics could come up with a great way to ambush.

your arguments of big boss taking out superhuman entities hasn't got that much meaning in this battle he is peak human like can with the a lot of of outlandish superhuman feats just like cap e.g.. cap has knocked out hulk (can try find a scan of this if you need me to) and beaten thanks i know he shouldn't be able to but he has so for argument sake well keep the outlandish feats out of this to keep it fair for you.

ill agree with you that big boss or solid snake would beat movie cap from what i have seen but i really don't see how they could beat comic cap on a 1 v 1 and wolverine could take the other because they would be forced to continue to evade the attacks if they go for a block their arm are cut of or their guns are cut in half and ashes chain saw arm would be weighing him down while not being able to do anything to wolverine and cap could smash it in 2 with one throw of his shield.

ps sorry for bad grammar and spelling I'm doing this with very limited time

@arsenal1886: I'll make a reply tonight, on kind of a slow computer right now. :P

it would take a lot more than a shotgun shot to the head to ko wolverine all it would do is rip the flesh of his face leaving his main organ the brain in near perfect condition in his adamantium skull making him even more determined to kill, and then his flesh would grow back the punisher shot wolverines face then ended up getting his ass whipped. punisher also shot taken in the head multiple times and ended up getting sliced up into pieces(if you like i could provide scans of this just ask) and daken is not at wolverines level but ill also agree that punisher might not be on big boss or solid snakes level but he could destroy ash

Maybe I underrated Wolverine's durability, one thing snake and boss do have though are means to incapacitate Wolverine instead of kill him, both use specialised stun grenades and tranquillisers as standard equip, The shotgun would be mainly for spacing and getting some distance, If stuns and tranqs are utilised effectively they could K.O. Wolverine, if Wolvy's never been tranqed then I take that back.

Also caps biggest disadvantage is his boy scout morals the battle is no morals, cap with no morals is another beast altogether your characters always fight with no morals where cap is always fighting with morals. he has the strength to kill with one punch if he's not pulling his punches.

cap is no weak link he has loads of experience in battle. I know that Captain America was created to be the "ultimate human combatant" and a "Super Soldier". He's been facing bombs, guns and grenades his whole life. The fact that Big Boss has those doesn't mean much to a guy like Cap. Also, Cap has faced and beaten countless other "Super Soldiers" over the years who were as strong as Spider-Man and skilled fighters such as Protocide, US Agent, Nuke, Master Man, and others. this would be another "Super Soldier" challenge for Cap to beat. But, again, Ill agree its not exactly the same thing.

I'll agree with you how it's not exactly the same thing and while Cap was modified to be the 'ultimate human combatant' Snake was created in a TEST TUBE to be the ultimate soldier, his father was the worlds greatest soldier/spy and then they cloned him and engineered the clone to be even better. Both Snake and Boss trade blows with Spiderman level combatants as well, guys like Grey Fox, Volgin, Vamp, Vulcan Raven and tank... well tank blows and grenades all the time and for someone with the Strength and Reactions of Snake and Boss, Snake and Boss are both bullet dodgers (multiple bullets, Snake once dodged a Mach twenty projectile) and both have incredible strength (Snake lifted and used a Rail Gun with the recoil of a tank turret with perfect accuracy and Boss' strength is described as 'Monstrous' in comparison to Snake's." I feel like they could defeat a guy like Cap in hand to hand and dance circles around Wolverine (kinda like Superior Spiderman did) enough that he wouldn't get the chance to strike. Also I don't think Cap has a strategic or experience edge, Snake and Boss rack up a total 70+ years experience on the battlefield (a lot of that special ops) and both have genius IQs (Snake's being 180) and both are master strategists, so I don't thin theres a big gap (or maybe any gap) between the power/skill sets of cap and the Snake's.

i think if needed cap could get a good vantage point to defend the shots taken also don't forget they are in an urban environment where my team is starting behind cars and next to open doors of buildings they are quick enough to move into a building before getting shot forcing your team to go in after them forcing the battle into close range where wolverine could easily get the jump on them and it would be impossible to get the jump on wolverine he could tell cap where the members of your team are by smell and then cap with his excellent tactics could come up with a great way to ambush.

They are not getting the jump on my team without some kind of EMP, Big Boss carries a motion detector as standard and Snake has one built in, even if they didn't have those the Snakes are masters of stealth, that's they're forte and getting the jump on them is near impossible.

your arguments of big boss taking out superhuman entities hasn't got that much meaning in this battle he is peak human like can with the a lot of of outlandish superhuman feats just like cap e.g.. cap has knocked out hulk (can try find a scan of this if you need me to) and beaten thanks i know he shouldn't be able to but he has so for argument sake well keep the outlandish feats out of this to keep it fair for you.

I guess thats fair but for the record I think it was Ultimate Cap who duked it out with Jolly Green and I assume we're using standard 616 Cap, anyway I still think those feats hold water for Snake and Boss, I mean they don't exactly have the same limitations as Cap, the human capabilities of the MGS universe are never really stated and Snake is not bound by them either (he's heavily modified).

ill agree with you that big boss or solid snake would beat movie cap from what i have seen but i really don't see how they could beat comic cap on a 1 v 1 and wolverine could take the other because they would be forced to continue to evade the attacks if they go for a block their arm are cut of or their guns are cut in half and ashes chain saw arm would be weighing him down while not being able to do anything to wolverine and cap could smash it in 2 with one throw of his shield.

Still I maintain the team will avoid H2H at all costs and Ash has no trouble carrying around his chainsaw (also it's not specified if he has the saw, he could always take his much lighter metal hand, which has a grappling capability) he uses the saw constantly and is very experienced in getting around with it. Also with Wolverine's speed compared to Snake or Boss they could realistically dodge the majority or his shots and deliver some spacing shots of their own and I maintain that the Snakes with they're near sub sonic reactions.

One more point I have is in defence of Ash, while he is not the most impressive combatant he is a survivor and an escapist, surviving battles with Vampires, Werewolves and Demons respectively. The Snake's being clones and master tactics will have unparalleled communication and know exactly how to use and direct Ash to the best of his abilities, also I'm sure they would not be afraid to exploit him and use him as a distraction when push comes to shove.

ps sorry for bad grammar and spelling I'm doing this with very limited time

Ah it's cool dude, I thought ya did great. :)

to answer your question wolverine can't be trained due to his healing factor.

your team members having 70+ years of experience so does mine cap has been fighting since ww2 and wolverine has been fight for who knows how long he was a samurai if that helps.

you saying wolverine not being able to get the jump on your msg soldiers because they have emp and all that, the difference is your team relies on gadgets and weapons my team relies on themselves and caps shield, also no matter how stealth like your team is wolverine will still smell them.

you saying your team will avoid h2h combat shows you know that you know they would lose if it came to that so the question is who will dictate the battle my team or yours. wolverine i admit will be tempted to not stick to a strategy but i think my team will still dictate the battle. also how do you expect to incapacitate wolverine without getting close to him?

you saying ash is a survivor means exactly what you say he survives him being in character doing everything he needs to survive he might run away to survive ( to be honest i don't actually think he will do that) BUT he might turn around and shoot his team mates in the back of the head and hope my team doesn't kill him anyway- to be honest I'm talking shit on the last part i don't know enough about him to say that but it makes sense lol.

sorry if my reply is all over the place i don't know how to do that intext reply the way you did

Powers and Abilities

Regenerative Healing Factor

Wolverine's most prominent power is his healing factor. This allows Wolverine to heal from virtually any injury at an incredibly fast rate. This allows him take hits from class 100+ characters and continue fighting. He can regrow missing limbs, organs and has even regenerated his entire skeleton. His healing factor grants him a high resistance to toxins and poisons- he was one able to consume enough Blowfish poison to kill 20 men with no discomfort. Large enough doses have proven effective at bypassing his healing factor. His healing factor prevents nerve strike attacks from working effectively on him as his healing factor bypasses the effect virtually instantaneously. His healing factor also grants him immunity to all Earthly diseases and it extends Wolverine's lifespan. Wolverine's healing factor depends on his body's state. So if Wolverine lacks sleep and proper nutrition for a time, it slows his healing abilities drastically.

Superhuman Durability

Wolverine Possess Superhuman Durability. This is mostly because of his healing abilities and Adamantuim Skeleton, which redistributes the force of blows dealt against. He has taken blows from Spider-Man on multiple occasions showing less than minimal discomfort, as well from a host of other much stronger characters such as Wonder-Man, Thor, Hulk, Thing, Skaar, Sebastian Shaw, and Kid Gladiator, who also had the advantage of have spiked knuckles. However, even without his Adamantuim Skeleton, Wolverine does display a degree of Superhuman Durability. For example, he was hit by a jeep, which was completely written off. He however, was unharmed.

Superhuman Acute Senses

Another one of Wolverine's prime abilities is his acute senses that are many time greater than that of a human being and even surpass that of most animals on Earth. Wolverine has the ability to see vast distances with complete clarity. This advanced eyesight also allows Wolverine to see in almost complete darkness. Wolverine's hearing is also enhanced allowing him to hear from great distances as well as hear pitches that ordinary human beings cannot and even fight blindfolded.These abilities also allow Wolverine to recognize people by their scent even if they are in a shape shifted state like beings such as Mystique and Morph. Wolverine is also one of the best trackers in the Marvel universe as he is able to track objects as well as human over very great distances. Wolverine has also been seen to be a human lie detector as he can hear a person’s heartbeat increase when they lie and also identify certain changes in their body such as increase in perspiration. Wolverine's sense of taste is also enhanced, allowing him to not only smell, but taste pheromones in the air such as when he made mention of training with Jean Grey in the Danger Room.

Superhuman Strength

Wolverine is superhumanly strong. His strength easily ranges from beyond 800 pounds, but probably no more than 2 tons. Wolverine has swung tree trunks around like baseball bats, held an elevator with one hand, punched into steel while weakened and his blows have knocked out super durable foes likeRoughhouse, Caliban and Spider-Man, although he caught the latter with a sucker punch. He has also thrown and lifted several men using on hand with minimal effort. He has also lifted Ursa Major and threw him across a room with little effort.

Superhuman Agility

Wolverine's balance and agility as well as his body coordination is beyond the capabilities of a human being at its peak and is well into the superhuman range. Wolverine has also been seen to jump nearly 30ft in the air unassisted.

Enhanced Speed

Wolverine is able to move at low level superhuman speeds. He has attacked faster than the eye could follow and even Spider-Man briefly thought Wolverine was faster than he was in their first fight. His combat speed seems more enhanced then anything else, as he has frequently kept up with Spider-Man in combat, and blitzed people before they pull their trigger fingers.

Superhuman Reflexes

Wolverine possesses enhanced reflexes. He has dodged bullets point blank, machine gun fire and even Cyclops' optic blasts. Most impressively, he was able to tag Speed-Demon in combat before.

Superhuman Stamina

Wolverine's healing factor is able to fight off fatigue toxins allowing Wolverine to exert himself for a long period of time before fatigue builds up. He has been able to fight in Omega Red's death spores for over 17 hours- though he needed medical intervention afterwards.

Bone Claws

Wolverine possesses 6, 12 inch retractable bone claws. 3 are in each arm and are housed in his forearms. When extended they tear through the flesh in his knuckles but his healing factor heals the injuries virtually instantaneously. The bone claws are able to tear through most types of flesh and have been able to cut through stone and even steel. Combined with the adamantium, Wolverine's claws are capable of cutting through virtually anyone and anything. He claws has penetrated the most durable of foes, including Thor, Hulk, Gladiator and perhaps most impressively Thanos, during the the Infinity Gauntlet Saga.

Psionic Resistance

Wolverine has level 9 psi shields implanted in his brain and combined with his own will power it makes Wolverine highly resistant to mental assaults. However, they were unable to prevent Gorgon from finding out his most unpleasant memories or a young Jean Grey from lobotomizing him.

Master Tactician

Wolverine has displayed an uncanny ability in preparing for an upcoming battle. He is highly intelligent although at times he can come off to be more animal like than most. Forge once referred to Wolverine's brain functions while in a training room session to be beyond that of a human athlete. His brain function in combat has also been compared to a highly advanced computer.

Master Martial Artist

Wolverine has been able to learn virtually every form of fighting style on Earth, mastering 28 forms of Kung-Fu alone, as well as the pressure points located not just on the human body, but also on some alien and Supernatural bodies as well. He demonstrated such knowledge when he performed a pressure point attack to defeat Kid Gladiator and when he crumbled the Black Dragon's stone minion with one well placed blow. Wolverine has also been shown to stop the negative effects of Chi based attacks by controlling his thoughts and emotions. Wolverine has defeated some of Marvel's best hand to hand combatants such as Iron Fist, Shang-Chi and Deadpool. He has also trained or partially trained a number of Earth's heroes in various forms of hand to hand combat, including Black Widow, Storm and Shadowcat.

Covert Ops Expert

Wolverine has acquired and demonstrated advanced covert abilities during the years he has worked with the C.I.A., Canadian Intelligence and S.H.I.E.L.D. He has trained in the use of and is familiar with many weapons, vehicles, aircraft and computer systems. Wolverine is also a highly skilled assassins.

only copy/pasted the powers and abilities that would be useful in this battle

I'll reply to the first comment, now, then the second a bit later.

to answer your question wolverine can't be trained due to his healing factor.

I mean theoretically it would all depend on the dosage, I mean if he was given enough wouldn't it at least make him drowsy, anyway I'm not an expert but I do know he's been K.O.ed in the comics by a lot less than Hulk hits, I think he was even knocked out by Cap's shield once, it's not that big of a jump to think some of the Snake's future tech could do it if you consider both Logan's low and high end durability feats.

your team members having 70+ years of experience so does mine cap has been fighting since ww2 and wolverine has been fight for who knows how long he was a samurai if that helps.

Yeah but a lot of that Wolvie's been a loner, The Snake's have 70+ years if team experience, working as a unit and developing strategies, also the Samurai thing could get in the way what with Honor and what not.

you saying wolverine not being able to get the jump on your msg soldiers because they have emp and all that, the difference is your team relies on gadgets and weapons my team relies on themselves and caps shield, also no matter how stealth like your team is wolverine will still smell them.

First off I didn't say they had EMP I said you're team would need an EMP to shut down their tech. I don't really get the second point as an advantage, I mean Daredevil is superior physically to Iron Man but that doesn't mean that Tony's tech won't give him an edge. The Snake's will still detect him.

you saying your team will avoid h2h combat shows you know that you know they would lose if it came to that so the question is who will dictate the battle my team or yours. wolverine i admit will be tempted to not stick to a strategy but i think my team will still dictate the battle. also how do you expect to incapacitate wolverine without getting close to him?

Know it shows that I know they're not stupid, if you had a gun and the guy you were fighting didn't would you rush into up close and personal combat, or would you weight up your options and decide this could be done much quicker and more efficiently by just shooting them and if that doesn't work stealth them out and if that doesn't work run and if that doesn't work h2h, not fear just strategy. Not sure about the team without guns dictating the battle, they'd have to be on defense from the start to avoid getting tagged, I mean if they needed to the team could easily get to higher ground if they needed to changing the battle paradigm once again (MGS characters have crazy jumps ability and Ash has a grapple glove). Quite a few ways that they could realistically K.O. hims if we're looking at low and high end feats.

you saying ash is a survivor means exactly what you say he survives him being in character doing everything he needs to survive he might run away to survive ( to be honest i don't actually think he will do that) BUT he might turn around and shoot his team mates in the back of the head and hope my team doesn't kill him anyway- to be honest I'm talking shit on the last part i don't know enough about him to say that but it makes sense lol.

Ash didn't run away when Doctor Doom almost killed him for trash talking, he's not running away from Cap and Wolvy. It's in the dang OP dude they will work together XD, also Ash isn't stupid he'll know to listen to the Snake's to save his own skin.

sorry if my reply is all over the place i don't know how to do that intext reply the way you did

Eh it's cool, thought you made some good points. I'll reply to the longer one when I'm on my home computer.

@arsenal1886: @amazingangel: This round is open to voting! Feel free to call out people to vote. I tagged everyone in our tourny.

@pierpat@cjdavis103@desmond006@thetruthiii@juiceboks

wolverine wouldn't have to avoid getting tagged due to his healing factor if the snake is wasting his time shooting wolverine while wolverine is attacking him he will lose. wolverine has dogged machine gun fire at close range yes ill give it it to your msg guys your arguments prove they are great marksmen so they would probably shoot him before he gets to them but if its not enough to drop him hell slice them. i don't think they will be able to drop him he is very fast it will be difficult to get clean shots away.

you saying cap will be on the defence- i say great caps defence is impenetrable he's the best of the best when it come to defence.

you saying that ash has grappling hooks and the msg guys can jump won't mean much if my team takes it into the building.

ps my bad with the emp comment i didn't have time to read the comment thoroughly and i was replying quickly due to lack of time also if you can explain how you do that intent replying it'll make it easier for me to respond to your arguments thanks.

@tparks:

can we vote for ourselves? also how do i vote on the other battles in this tournament?

@arsenal1886: You can't vote for yourself, but if you want to vote for others in this tourny, just go to their thread and say who you're voting for.

@arsenal1886: Oh sure dude it's actually pretty easy once you figure out how, you have the quote button above the text box (not actually quoting comments in the usual way because that eventually kinda gets in the way.) just copy and paste what ever bit you want to highlight, highlight it and press the quote button to put it in that format.

One more quick tip, make sure you press the quote button again when you finish the quote otherwise you'll be stuck their forever :P

Hope that helps :)

@arsenal1886: Oh sure dude it's actually pretty easy once you figure out how, you have the quote button above the text box (not actually quoting comments in the usual way because that eventually kinda gets in the way.) just copy and paste what ever bit you want to highlight, highlight it and press the quote button to put it in that format.

One more quick tip, make sure you press the quote button again when you finish the quote otherwise you'll be stuck their forever :P

thanks mate and good luck with the tournament pleasure to battle with you

@arsenal1886: @amazingangel: Bump.

Remember, you can both call people out to get voting rolling.

@tparks: I'm new I've go nobody to call

I'll see if I can help.

I know I just tagged all of you in the other round, but if you have time, they could use some votes too. It's not too lengthy of a read if you get a minute.

@the_red_viper, @thetruebarryallen, @pr0metheus, @wolverine08, @jwalser3

@arsenal1886 has the better team but we don't go by that.

@amazingangel was the better debater.

Vote @amazingangel

@amazingangel: @arsenal1886: Nice round guys, but it's been three days of voting, so I'm going to move this to semi-finals. amazingangel won the vote and moves to semis.