Base Zeref vs Yonko Blackbeard

Blackbeard quakes and darkness combo is too much

Blackbeard thinks crappy old-time handguns are useful...

Mismatch zeref stomps

Zeref stomps

Zeref solos the verse.

lol just like the cannons of World Government and Yonko ships

Yet the Thousand Merry was reinforced so much with wood and shit that it can now somehow survive an island-country level "burst" ...right.

Oda doesn't care about science, but his series is one of the most relient on science and calcs by the fans...it's something.

Zeref stomps.

Zeref one shots.

Blackbeard stomps

Zeref get blackhole.

@ssjbatdan:

Show one instance where Blackbeard used his gun in any fight scenario that involved a mid-tier character. Before you try and shit on something you can't even argue, that same "wood" in One Piece has been reinforced which such thickness it can withstand intense water pressure (Noah's Ship) without even any scratch, would have crushed an entire island without it fragmenting in the process or even covering the entire island's radius. You're trying to discredit the power of OP's Cannon balls when they haven't even begin to dent the likes of Sunny or show contradiction against it. Trying to also say that the knock-up stream by various calcs don't hold consistency is stupid when said knock-up streams were literally warned as dangerous, something much more high and mighty than cannon balls.

Zeref stomps

@pics: Just saying, it doesn't make sense. You're never going to get wood that thick considering how it looks, to survive a supposed island-level attack.

Hey, I guess he could just like to shoot people. I was obviously being a bit facetious there to accommodate the more...out there things that make no sense.

If you can reinforce ships to such insane levels, then surely cannonballs would be useless on the standard pirate ships in the Grand Line....

@ssjbatdan:

What you're "saying" is clearly shown otherwise. I literally explained an example of said wood have the such thickness and strength it can withstand the high pressure thousands of meters underwater. Stop making this weird fallacy as if things in fiction can't be beyond what IRL is capable of. It's retarded. The equivalent of saying Ironman's suit is made a metal so it can't tank a nuke despite it very clearly has.

Blackbeard doesn't shoot people he considers threats, he uses his devil fruit majority of the time. Also those guns are much above even our standard ones in real life lmao. Appealing to reality much?

Again...why are you assuming these cannon balls are NORMAL to that of our own when they have feats of flat out blasting through buildings...dense rock, etc. Get out of here with this nonsense.

BB stomps that fodder

What exactly is Blackbeard going to do here

Base Zeref probably loses, though I want to see post skip Teach fight first

Blackhole Zeref.

@exauce: Zeref can teleport. Or stop time beforehand

@comicvinepoozer1: That the thing, he ain't fast enough.

@exauce: wait, what are BB’s speed feats??? I know he fought Ace but I don’t remember much else. But even if he black holes him, why wouldn’t Zeref just teleport out??

The Darkness fruit's best feat is matching Ace's Flame Emperor which should be island+ that's not enough tin incap Zeref lol. Gura Gura still his best shot.

@comicvinepoozer1: BB casually grabs gear 2 Luffy mid-blitz, Beat Marco, and reacts and blocked hits from Whitebeard who intercepted Kizaru mid-blitz.

Because Zeref wouldn't just be chilling inside a blackhole.

BB's Darkness fruit isn't just about raw power mate, and BB didn't match him he overpowered him.

@exauce: It's just really strong gravity is all we know for now

@the_lost_cleric: Infinity gravity you mean.

It's not literally infinite gravity lol, unless you think WB, Ace, random Marines etc all have infinite durability

@the_lost_cleric: Stated by himself, his gravity is so strong not even Light can escape.

The houses and marines he sucked in seemed fine. Battered/destroyed, but fine. I don’t see what it would do to Zeref that would prevent him from teleporting out

@the_lost_cleric: WB, Ace, and Random marines haven't gone into a black hole and came out alive.

@exauce: You don't really need "infinite" gravity to do that, and you do realize that being so strong that light can't escape would make it an actual black hole, in which case Teach would be at least star lvl or above right? That statement isn't consistent with the verse's power level at all

Portrayal, unless u wanted to see the marine come out like a seinen manga it wasn't going to happen. Again ain't gonna do nothing in blackhole.

Of course, u don't. Yea that why it called "Blackhole", not gravity crush or something, that just how overpowered his hax are, and you don't seem to get, his darkness devil raw power isn't the same as his Blackhole.

But what about the houses that came out??? And why would him being in a blackhole stop him from teleporting out?? Why would infinite gravity stop him??

@exauce: we have two instances of BB using his black hole and on both inanimate objects and people, it didn’t crush them

@comicvinepoozer1: What about the houses? U wanted to more crush or destroy, or what?

Because he will be torn to pieces, Because he will be crush by infinite force every instance we will be there. The same man was struggling to handle hits from Natsu.

Crush them in both instances, only one of them being more PG since One piece isn't a seinen.

If it were infinite gravity/an actual black hole, it would have done a lot more than that. the most we’ve seen it do is smash up houses and injure random marines.
And say it does injure him, what next??? What’s to stop zeref from immediately regenerating???

infinite gravity would have done a lot more than break apart some houses

@exauce: So let me get this straight you think Teach is star lvl+ given the size of the Blackholes he has created? Also how is his Darkness raw power different from Blackhole? They are all literally using intense gravity offensively. Also where do you put his Darkness fruit in AP then?

So my question is, you believe that something that didn’t even KO/kill fodder marines, and incompletely tore up a small town, is going to do something to Zeref?

or stop him from leaving?

How...is Blackbeard exactly going to put down an immortal? And I don't see BB surviving his death hax.

The Blackhole sure maybe, but teach himself? not happening, Actually, you are right, the only difference is that he doesn't use his darkness directly on people or thing as he does with his Blackhole. I see the devil fruit as more of a Hax than anything.

@comicvinepoozer1: As a normal offensive attack? Not happening, but this isn't just a normal offensive attack mate.

Ok, I’m still confused on what the black hole is going to do to Zeref. It didn‘t KO fodder and it didn’t completely destroy a town. Why would it stop Zeref from teleporting out?? Or stopping time and teleporting out. And even if it kept him in there, what happens after he gets sucked in and spit out??? He’d just regenerate like nothing happened

@comicvinepoozer1:

Ok, I’m still confused on what the black hole is going to do to Zeref.

Crush him as blackhole do.

It didn‘t KO fodder and it didn’t completely destroy a town.

ddn't KO fodder? and it didn't completely crush the town, and it barely lasted a second inside there.

Why would it stop Zeref from teleporting out?? Or stopping time and teleporting out. And even if it kept him in there, what happens after he gets sucked in and spit out??? He’d just regenerate like nothing happened

The gravity. BB doesn't have to spit him out, he can just live him there for as long as he wants.

We’re running in circles here so I guess we’ll do this one step at a time so everything is clear.
Why would Gravity stop him from teleporting??