Vs
CURRENT WANO ARC LUFFY
LUFFY IS IN BASE AND CAN'T USE ANY GEAR
RANDOM ENCOUNTER
WIN BY K.O, DEATH OR BFR
FIGHT TAKES PLACE AT FOREST OF DEATH
Vs
CURRENT WANO ARC LUFFY
LUFFY IS IN BASE AND CAN'T USE ANY GEAR
RANDOM ENCOUNTER
WIN BY K.O, DEATH OR BFR
FIGHT TAKES PLACE AT FOREST OF DEATH
Duo stomps in a massive mismatch.
how?
@chair-sama: base Luffy certainly isnt faster than the raikage whether it be by feats or scaling, he debatably cant even hurt the Raikage, and he most certainly cant put Tsunade down even if he unloaded on her.
However Katsuyu negates anything he could possibly do while being enough to oneshot him.
Edit: oh and welcome back, werent aware you were active again
Luffy counters them both since lightning and blunt force attacks don't hurt him. Once he masters advanced armament haki he wins for sure, but as of now he might have trouble putting them down without any gears. He probably outlasts them though, so he should win eventually.
Luffy was trading blows with Katakuri in base although he was getting ragdolled he could still match his blows in base and Katakuri would stomp these two in a fight without using his arms
Has future sight which they have no answer to not to mention they have no way of bypassing his rubber defense immunity to lightning and very high resistance to blunt force
Luckily the raikage has better piercing than any level of Haki ever shown in the verse thus far. Tell me if Hal Jordan makes a construct of a fist and hits someone is it a energy resistance feat? Because this is honestly a jaw dropping show of lack of self awareness.
@alextheboss: Don't think the duo has blunt force durability on the level of one shotting Pacifistas or Hajrudin who no sold a 10,000 ton weight falling on him and then overpowered it to punch it back at supersonic speeds, with most of his bones broken.
Hajrudin who no sold a 10,000 ton weight falling on him and then overpowered it to punch it back at supersonic speeds, with most of his bones broken.
Hajrudin broke the sound barrier with that punch but we're not sure how fast it was
Databook states that hajrudin's punch hits harder than a lightning bolt
Not sure if that translates to it's speed
@chair-sama: base Luffy certainly isnt faster than the raikage whether it be by feats or scaling, he debatably cant even hurt the Raikage, and he most certainly cant put Tsunade down even if he unloaded on her.
However Katsuyu negates anything he could possibly do while being enough to oneshot him.
Edit: oh and welcome back, werent aware you were active again
yea. back to working at a desk so i have computer access most my of my day now.
@worldofruin6: so.......on top of the Raikage who has better feats than Luffy (oneshotted Kisame, fodderized Bee and KCM, statued Sasuke before fodderizing him, etc.) You also thinks he beats Onoki, someone whose beyond all admirals and Yonko's thus far by an indisputable margin. Tsunade someone whose also Yonko level and has continental reserves as well as an Atomic level healing factor, Gaara who possesses sand faster than practically anyone in the verse and stronger than any Haki ever showcased while controlling deserts worths of it and Mei who can practically do it all support wise? And at the same time?
BASE luffy beats a team that would fodderize 99% of the verse? I'm sorry and what's the argument for Luffy winning here again let alone beating any of the other kage not Named? Especially Gaara and Onoki who would happen to solo the strawhats.
Luffy stomps. Add the other 3 old kage and he still stomps.
He spanks them as usual. Nobody below at least BM tier stands a chance against current Luffy.
@shirso: Luffy used gear 2 to oneshot both of them, he has no gears here. Does his base form have striking feats on that level as well? If so he should put them down relatively easily.
@braindrain: Literally every kage you mentioned is only slightly above lightning speed or slightly below. That is only pre skip Luffy tier speed at best. Luffy also has future sight on top of his speed advantage. The only kage that could even take Luffy's hits is Tsunade due to regen. Ohnoki is the only threat to Luffy due to jinton, but his stats are trash, so he gets blitzed and oneshot.
@shirso: Luffy used gear 2 to oneshot both of them, he has no gears here. Does his base form have striking feats on that level as well? If so he should put them down relatively easily.
Yes
Current Luffy scales massively above this.
@alextheboss: scratch that I think I misunderstood the question.
@skysanji: Yeah, that's probably enough to give him a solid win.
Without gear; Anyone kages solostomps.
Reasons?
With gear; Tsunade solostomps. Raikage lose.
You think Tsunade solo stomps Luffy with gears? Not only does Luffy counter her, he has better striking feats than her with his gears and can see the future. I don't see how you think she solo stomps.
@braindrain: Literally every kage you mentioned is only slightly above lightning speed or slightly below.
Laughable. Raikage statued a lightning timer on panel, gaara reacted to him point blank with his sand, and Onoki reacted to him specifically while making him even faster.
Via scaling Gaara's sand is faster than anyone in OP bar Kizaru.
That is only pre skip Luffy tier speed at best.
Cool. lightning timing is kid kakashi pre-sharingan level, meanwhile yours relies on questionable scaling and was never confirmed.
Luffy also has future sight on top of his speed advantage.
A useless precog on top of a nonexistent speed advantage that doesnt help him one bit on the account he cant do anything about the attacks he does happen to see.
The only kage that could even take Luffy's hits is Tsunade due to regen.
Luffy also cant damage Gaara due to sand shields and Haki would get utterly overpowered by the Raikages cloak. Not to mention he cant even tickle Onoki who ate two islands to the face.
Ohnoki is the only threat to Luffy due to jinton, but his stats are trash, so he gets blitzed and oneshot.
Being that Onoki has the better perception and processing speed by far, leagues more durable than practically any of the strawhats, has island level AoE and can do things physically luffy cant dream of accomplishing. This is laughable aswell.
Onoki would fodderize Admirals and Yonko alike. Luffy Isnt even KCM level the nonsense of him challenging BM is unsubstantiated.
@alextheboss: Luffy didn't use Gear 2 to one shot Hajrudin
@shirso: I agree plus it wouldn't make any sense for him to use gear second against fodder.
We later see Doflamingo use Armanent Haki to block a non armament Haki Jet gatling Gun from Luffy:
Then again Doffy with his organs eviscerated was calling gear 2 too weak iirc.
so again... it doesn't make any sense.
@shirso: It looks like there is steam coming off of Luffy's arm in that panel. Is there an explanation for that besides gear 2?
@alextheboss: it was the Armanent effect.
@skysanji: Does armament create steam? If it does then it doesn't seem like he used gear 2 in the manga.
@skysanji: Does armament create steam? If it does then it doesn't seem like he used gear 2 in the manga.
Yes some examples are mostly in the anime though
Skip to 1:25.
It makes perfect sense since Luffy can't put smoke in just one area of his body.
@skysanji: Well if Luffy can really one shot Hajrudin in base, then he should be able to wreck the Raikage and Tsunade.
He can't even hurt Luffy Tsunade. This woman is heals himself after was hit the attack that cut six mountains. Luffy's biggest feat ever is the city block.
Next to everything I have passed is the immortal Katsuyu. Tsunade will never die. Luffy is raped after the G4 expires.
But Luffy >>> Raikage by the feats.
Though Doflamingo had cut the island with the bird cage, lol. Doflamingo feats >>> Tsunade. And Luffy >= Doflamingo.
I know i look absurd. But One Piece itself is absurd. The power level in the whole cake island arc has dropped noticeably.
@earendill: Tsunade was never hit by that attack.
I am confused. How does the tsunade scan prove that Luffy can't hurt her?
All you showed, is that if luffy gives her time she will eventually heal herself.
Oher than your opinion of the one piece series itself, what is there that shows any of that generation of kage can compete with luffy?
"I know i look absurd. But One Piece itself is absurd."
The only thing I can agree with you on, is that you do sound absurd... please explain the scans with tsunade.
I am confused. How does the tsunade scan prove that Luffy can't hurt her?
All you showed, is that if luffy gives her time she will eventually heal herself.
Oher than your opinion of the one piece series itself, what is there that shows any of that generation of kage can compete with luffy?
The only thing I can agree with you on, is that you do sound absurd... please explain the scans with tsunade.
What proves otherwise? In Naruto, while Genins were mach 5, one of the four powerful pirates failed to catch a ship for 48 hours, lol.
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What the proves otherwise?.Luffy almost fainted because he ate a spear. And GENİN Neji after eating two of this spear on his stomach, he beat a giant spider.
What the proves otherwise? Would you tell me? How does Luffy win by all the feats? How? Tell me! Because Tsunade is more superior according to o everything than feats.
Tsunade still solos G4 Luffy by the feats.
...... So you can't explain how or prove that Tsunade scan is relevant to this fight? Another had stated that they doubted your claim that it was Madara's Susanoo sword strike that bisected her and she healed despite the injury. Any argument for or against that is irrelevant, becuase AFAIK, the attack was not actually shown. You are making claims based on assumptions. It is just as likely that Madara used wood jutsu to wound Tsunade, after all there is just as much evidence behind my assumption as there is yours (nothing).
I would think the scan is irrelevant due to how long it took for Tsunade to heal herself. It is unlikely she will be provided the opportunity to do so.
As for Luffy and the trident... you actually need to read one piece before making comparisons because, as you are doing now, you are only highlighting your very limited knowledge of the series by making such a comparison. There was a lot of context behind Luffy's performance in that fight.
Context (from oro jackson):
So... that would be 11 hours of fighting against Cracker, letting himself get beaten by sanji, then 19 hours, of which he spent either in a cage (nailed his hands to walls, implied to have faced other harsh treatment) or fighting foot soldiers (it was after this time that Jinbei suggested an alliance with Bege), 45 minutes travelling to Bege's hideout from location of battle, approximately 45 minutes getting cleaned and presentable for the meeting with Bege (a meeting that lasts for an hour, after which Sanji leave to go to the wedding), Luffy is later found napping by bege (but even if the assumption is made that Luffy slept right after the meeting finished, it would only have been for 3 hours at most).
prior to the Cracker fight Luffy spent potentially 12 hours searching for his friends that he had been separated from, by the homies, or that Luffy seemingly met the enraged army before the Vinsmokes began their meal with BM, and was seen captured by the army soon after Sanji met Pudding in her room after the meal was finished
I would have posted scans, but I think it would be best if you actually read One Piece for once. I included the chapter number for you.
Luffy was thoroughly exhausted before his fight with Katakuri. The only thing that suggests otherwise would be the comedic scenes of him drinking (milk?) after a shower, and even then Oda goes on to have Jinbe state to Capone, that the crew barely had a chance to rest since coming to WCI, and to allow them the single opportunity to rest.
It may be due to not having read Naruto for a long time, but I doubt there are many characters (apart from Naruto/sasuke, and even then...) that have as great an endurance/stamina as Luffy, during the WCI arc.
PLEASE, show me what greatly taxing challenges/obstacles that Neji faced before taking that injury, and how he , after the injury, apparently doing as Luffy did, managed to fight for a few hours more.
Disregarding the PIS, that is the speed of the homie (not actually BM herself) that BM was travelling on, due to how her poor mental state and how it affected all her homies (as seen when simple cannon ball homies, that only have to fly straight, fail to do so), BM is hardly relevant in this battle.
I will repeat this one last time, before accepting that you cannot prove your argument: How does the scan prove that Luffy can't hurt Tsunade?
Do you have an actual counterargument against Luffy, or are all you have possibly poorly translated, or out of context scans of both series?
Keeping in mind that Luffy's stamina will last considerably longer, because he will not be using gear 4, and that his CoO haki will allow him to avoid most, if not all, of their attacks, how do the team win?
Edit: I would have thought that, after our agreement (that you do look absurd), you would have attempted to appear to be... less so. One suggestion: read one piece before commenting on one piece characters. Actually learning about the characters and keeping that in mind before commenting about them, would definitely lead to a decrease in absurdity, at least in the eyes of whoever has the misfortune to read your seemingly ignorant posts.
@almightyamortal: You're just talking. No scan, no feats. Still featless.
Feats > everything.
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