Base Gogeta (DBS) vs. Vegito Blue (DBS)

Lmao. QUIT THAT ABSURD GOGETA WANK.

Potara fusion > fusion dance. It's an official info. Even if there is a slight difference between ssj blue from one arc or another, it's not nearly big enough to close that gap.

Also ignoring the scalings... what the hell did even Gogeta do? WHAT ARE HIS FEATS? Beat up Broly a little bit? (BROLY WAS FINE AFTER THE BATTLE!) The same Broly who couldnt beat Frieza in an HOUR long fight? (That's longer than the whole ToP lololol) big deal.

Broke space-time while fighting? Buu did it just by shouting like 10 arcs before. Big deal.

Meanwhile Vegito fought a fused Zamasu, who is a multiversal, immortal diety that even transcends timelines and absolutely stomped him.

Vegito blue stomps Gogeta blue. One shots the base/ssj version. Delete this mismatch.

@takenstew22: Vegito's power is equal to that of Beerus as V-Jump confirmed, Broly due is regarded as the strongest enemy(At least based on the image used during the description) as a LSSJ, which Gogeta only won in Blue.

We don't even know if this is manga or anime Vegito.

@gelato_exotic

I love how people are so easy to flock to the statement by freaking Supreme Kai of all people saying Vegito is probably stronger than Beerus,

That was not the statement. Supreme Kai did not say he is PROBABLY stronger. He outright stated that he IS stronger. He said "his power IS already stronger than Beerus".

And the reason why people value this statement, is because Supreme Kai is Beerus's mirror soul and his fellow U7 deity of the same rank (not same power ofc... same rank, as if, U7 representative diety). He knows him better than any character with exception of Whis and maybe Champa. He has plenty of past with him, his very soul is bound with him, he is probably the only character who ever saw Beerus go all out, if anyone has ever seen it at all. He is a more credible character in this regard than anybody else.

but deny the same statement of Goku saying Broly is probably stronger than Beerus lol.

Maybe because Goku is a low IQ goofball that makes all kinds of false statements. That would be one reason. Another reason would be that Goku has never seen Beerus go all out. Anime Goku that made that statement has never even seen Beerus fight the other GoD's on the exhibition match. The only experience of Beerus's power he has, is the one he was fighting in his original SSJ god form. That was not even close to Beerus's full power. Goku can't possibly know how strong Beerus is if he went all out on his ass. This statement has no credibility whatsoever.

And for a second time - IT IS NOT EVEN THE SAME STATEMENT. Gou clearly said MAYBE. He said Broly is MAYBE stronger than Beerus - which can just as easily mean, Goku is WONDERING if he is, or he SUPPOSES hat he might be. That doesn't even mean anything on it's own. Comparing it to Kai's outright statement is garbage lowball to Vegito and one of the reasons people hype Gogeta so much.

Sometimes I wonder what the headcanon is going on in some of these peoples head.

Yeah, I wonder that too. Vegita blue stomps Gogeta blue by all reason, statements and logic.

There are so many things wrong with this post.

Than name all of them lmao.

For one, Buu didn't break space/time. He just made portals.

BULLSHIT.

That's not a portal, it's a HOLE in reality. And the statement cleary is, he was able to "BREAK THROUGH THE WALL BETWEEN DIMENSIONS". Not create a portal, or a dimension door, or a teleport, or what not. He BROKE throguh wall between dimensions. He broke through fabric of space time. How can you lowball this much and still call yourself a DB fan.

And Zamasu wasn't multiversal until he become Infinite Zamasu, and Infinite Zamasu is way above Vegito.

How in the world is Infinite Zamasu not the same as the Zamasu Vegito fought? He did not change anything, he just left his body and attacked the multiverse. He did not evolve or gain power somehow, if anything, he lost it because his physical body got destroyed by the genkidama sword. There is no statement to support your theory that he somehow became more powerful after he got defeated, lmao. The Zamasu Vegito fought just left the body and tried to overcome reality itself, and nearly succeeded. That's who Vegito fought. A multiversal level being wrapped in Zamasu's fused body. You are just bullshitting out of your freakin mind to make it seem less impressive. Vegito beat one of the strongest characters in dragon ball, who killed all the GoD's on his own, and who actually has multiversal feats. This is why the fact that Vegito is stronger than a GoD makes sense. Zamasu is the only villain ever who required Zamasu's intervention to defeat. These are the facts. You only think Gogeta is above Vegito because his recent movie was cool af. Just admit it, you'll be better off.

@thoromdil I'm not going to comment on the rest of your and Stew's debate, but man THANK YOU finally someone acknowledges the fact that Astral Zamasu isn't actually stronger than regular Fused Zamasu I've been trying to say this for years, just his power manifesting in a different form. Super Shenron's immorality never inherently made him stronger, otherwise he wouldn't have been getting clowned by the SSBs and even struggling with pre-rage Trunks, not to mention Goku Black for the most part treated him as nothing but a meat shield.

I mean, the fact he literally became the entire multiverse and was threatening other ones clearly shows he was stronger than ever. He left his body and became a cosmic god. I don't see anything proving he WASN'T stronger at all.

@takenstew22: lol the wanking from both the sides is ridiculous.

Vegito SSB should be stronger than beerus but gogeta in base is in no way stronger than beerus. He should be be as strong as ssj broly who was stronger than two ssbs.

Wait, I think I misunderstood what you guys were saying, my bad. What I meant to really say is that he got stronger of his own accord, and that Super Shenron's immortality had nothing to do with it (thats what I see people saying alot due to the dub only line), I totally agree he got stronger, or at the very least transcended his previous level of existence by existing in multiple timelines at once.

@takenstew22: No I am not talking about you. I am saying that those that saying that base gogeta is above ssb vegito or vegito being stronger than astral zamasu are ridiculously wanking

@thoromdil:

That's not a portal, it's a HOLE in reality. And the statement cleary is, he was able to "BREAK THROUGH THE WALL BETWEEN DIMENSIONS". Not create a portal, or a dimension door, or a teleport, or what not. He BROKE throguh wall between dimensions. He broke through fabric of space time. How can you lowball this much and still call yourself a DB fan.

He didn't break space/time. Show me him doing that. I was also not lowballing lmao. Unlike people like you I don't go and mindlessly wank things.

Lmao I just showed you. You are the one who has to prove to me that a blatant hole in reality and the statement I showed are somehow a "portal" of some kind. Quit playing dumb please. They said he broke the wall between dimensions. What are walls between dimensions? What separates one reality from another? Is it not space time, from which everything in every dimension is made and defined by? Even if you come up with a new definition, be my guest, I couldn't care less. In any case, this is an exact same thing Broly and Gogeta did when they broke the wall between their dimension and the new one they entered. It's not impressive by any means.

How in the world is Infinite Zamasu not the same as the Zamasu Vegito fought? He did not change anything, he just left his body and attacked the multiverse. He did not evolve or gain power somehow, if anything, he lost it because his physical body got destroyed by the genkidama sword. There is no statement to support your theory that he somehow became more powerful after he got defeated, lmao. The Zamasu Vegito fought just left the body and tried to overcome reality itself, and nearly succeeded. That's who Vegito fought. A multiversal level being wrapped in Zamasu's fused body. You are just bullshitting out of your freakin mind to make it seem less impressive. Vegito beat one of the strongest characters in dragon ball, who killed all the GoD's on his own, and who actually has multiversal feats. This is why the fact that Vegito is stronger than a GoD makes sense. Zamasu is the only villain ever who required Zamasu's intervention to defeat. These are the facts. You only think Gogeta is above Vegito because his recent movie was cool af. Just admit it, you'll be better off.

Okay, for one, Infinite Zamasu was corrupting the entire timeline and was going to do the same with the present one. He literally became a cosmic entity after that and was threatening all of reality. Idk how that's not proof that was stronger than Merged Zamasu.

Lmao. By this logic, the first time Goku used kamehameha, he suddenly became much stronger. Because he suddenly went from being a monkey boy to a low tier cosmic entity who can blow up moons with one attack. No. When Goku first used kamehameha, he simply manifested the power that was always witin him. Nothing suggested he suddenly made a transformation or a jump in power or anything. Exactly the same with Zamasu. He just left his body and immediately started attacking the multiverse. there was no new powerups for him, no transformations, nobody stated "oh no, now that Zamasu is out of his body, his power is 100 times greater than before!" nothing like that happened.

He never showed anything on the scale of that previously.

Goku never showed anything on the scale of kamehameha previously. See? This logic is pointless. Every time a character gains a new best feat, that doesn't mean he suddenly evolved and got 100 times stronger. It just means that we didn't see his full power before. Overcoming the multiverse is simply Zamasu's best feat. That doesn't mean he suddenly changed from fused Zamasu in power. You can't back that up with ANYTHING.

Not only that, but fighting a being stronger than a GoD is not "something on that scale" to you? Vegito is stated to be stronger than a top tier GoD such as Beerus. GoD's are stated to be powerful enough to destroy a universe. So if Zamasu can fight a being who is above "universal" and than he displayes above universal feats himself, that is pretty consistent if you ask me.

And you're telling me that Vegito is somehow Angel+ tier lol.

We never saw even a single angel fight seriously. So we have no way to even assess this statement of yours. I'm not saying Vegito is Angel+ tier. I'm saying he is above Gogeta because he has better statements (Supreme Kai statement), better feats (overpowering a multiversal level diety like fused Zamasu) and better fusion than Gogeta because of the potara being LITERALLY STATED to be a superior fusion to a fusion dance.

You only think Gogeta is above Vegito because his recent movie was cool af. Just admit it, you'll be better off.

That's not it in the slightest.

So far, it seems to be exactly that. You have no real arguments bruh. Like NONE.

Admit that you're wanking and making mindless headcanon.

LMAOOOOO. Too bad all of the feats, statements and logic are on my side.

Lol, this guy is hilarious. Comparing Goku gaining the kamehameha for the first time to Zamasu becoming a cosmic entity. What is this backwards logic? If Zamasu had this power the whole time he could've easily did it at the very beginning when he fused.

I think he was busy fighting Vegeto and Goku + Vegeta + Trunks trio before that. He obviously only went for the multiverse takeover once he lost, because he was previously occupied. I'm sorry, but at this point your so called arguments are just pathetic straw grasping. Just because he didn't do something, doesn' mean he couldn't. That's just bullshit.

But no, he had to struggle with SSBKK Goku for a bit.

Struggle? He got kicked once, it was a surprised attack. Lmao, if Goku SSJBKK was able to beat Zamasu, why would he only use it to buy some time and fuse? The shit at this point is so thick I can't see a single argument through it. You really have over 20k posts on this forum? Of THIS caliber? Holy shit. It's a miracle this site isn't a complete joke at this point.

Whis shit his pants when he felt Infinite Zamasu's energy and he's telling me Vegito is stronger than that.

Try again goofball. He was just surprised. So by your logic, when someone is surprised, it means he considers his opponent superior? By this logic, when Grand Priest was surprised by Goku achieving UI, you suggest Grand Priest thinks Goku is stronger than him. Did you actually make another argument on the level of a toddler. I am speechless.

And it's not like Whis stated after the battle that he would've easily beat Zamasu, and that he has something better than a bottle and a spell to take him out... You don't even know statements between the characters you make comments on.

Also, potara being better than fusion dance was from a long, long time ago.

Long time ago -> Not canon. Is that right? gtfo lol

Many things have been retconned since then and Goku and Vegeta have gotten many times stronger since the Zamasu arc.

Bullshit. If you have a proof, show it. Where is a statement that proves potara is no longer stronger than fusion dance? Both fusion dance and potara are actively used in the story at all times. And every time potara is used, statements are far superior to fusion dance. When Kefla used it, she claimed she is able to destroy the universe in one blow and we have tons of statements from angels and GoD's about how absurd her power was. When Zamasu used it, he became a villain capable of overtaking the whole reality. When Vegeto used it, Supreme Kai stated he is above Beerus without hesitation. Meanwhile, fusion dance users like Gotenks receive no such praise in super, Beerus just ignored Gotenks like he was nothing, and Gogeta has a couple vague feats like beating up Broly a little bit and nothing more than that.

And feats aside, where is ANY SENSE in that at all? Potara is a rare and precious divine artifact that only high level kai's have access to. Fusion dance is a couple moves anybody can learn and use anytime they want. How is fusion dance being superior to potara make ANY SENSE in that head of yours. All you do is try to lowball, and make pointless, self defeating arguments that you didn't even spend 5 seconds to rethink.

Broly movie Gogeta is easily stronger than Zamasu arc Vegito.

Once agian, you had like 3 or 4 posts to prove that. You gave me nothing, but cheap, self defeating arguments. No feats to support that. No statements to support that. You are a rule of cool fanboy. You love Gogeta and prefer him over Vegeto because he is cool. 3 posts in and you can't prove jack shit.

As for Buu, he didn't break or shatter time or space. Making a hole to get out of a dimension doesn't equate to literally breaking out of a dimension like Gogeta or Broly did.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

That car was not destroyed. Just because it exploded doesn't mean it was destroyed like that other car that was crushed.

This is how much sense you are making. So making hole =/= breaking out. Even though in the gif I posted, what buu did is specifically called "breaking out". Do you even hear yourself.

As hilarious as it is, you have nothing to say two posts in a row now, so good bye. I have no intention of dragging this waste of time any longer. Remind me never to exchange posts with you again if I ever try. I've never seen anybody on any forum make posts this useless in my entire life.