Baryon Mode Naruto vs Ikaros

Naruto Uzumaki

Ikaros

RULES

• In-character
• Unlimited Baryon Mode
• No PIS for Naruto
• No knowledge
• Energies Equalized

Ikaros mid-diffs, time manipulation and reality warping + being in the same speed tier and AP tier grant her the win.

@delein: Since when was Ikaros FTL?

if you need feats ask @kasya_carey , I dont have time now to post a mini-respect thread.

@delein:

AP tier grant her the win.

How is she in the same AP Tier as baryon mode Naruto?

dont know where you have BM Naruto, she is around small planet level by scaling from Chaos and Astraea. Time manip. and reality warping make this onesided imo

Since her reactions were measured in femtoseconds seconds, reacting to upgraded Artemis from melans that are faster than her Uranus mode Artemis that cross the planet in a panel, and faster flight than Pandora Astraea which was powered by photons.

The humans in Ikaros verse have the power to bust the planet. Ikaros comes from a primordial dimension above the universe. The primordial beings on that dimension have omnipotence over science which allowed them to create existence, everything in it, also created humans which they considered as their playthings, bugs, or worms. Further more the lord of that dimension has stated the humans are fodder to base Ikaros as shown. Which means base Ikaros AP is massively above planet busters

then again, hax alone allows her to win

@kasya_carey:

The humans in Ikaros verse have the power to bust the planet. Ikaros comes from a primordial dimension above the universe. The primordial beings on that dimension have omnipotence over science which allowed them to create existence, everything in it, also created humans which they considered as their playthings, bugs, or worms. Further more the lord of that dimension has stated the humans are fodder to base Ikaros as shown. Which means base Ikaros AP is massively above planet busters

That's impressive I always knew she was strong but good lord she's OP, Where would you place her in AP

@godlyshinigami: She could scale higher. Base Ikaros with her powers sealed in the second chapter survived an episodic event reset of the manga. Which resetted the events back to normal through dream format and Ikaros does not have the ability to dream so withstood time/space of the old reality being destroyed.

According to Kasya, Ikaros doesn't even use her hax in fights in characters...so idk about that. Ot: Naruto stomps.

Lmao Naruto does not stomps. 12 apostles in Ikaros verse have the power to bust Earth. Base Ikaros >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans

Not to mention Ikaros already has questionable feats/statements that could make her godstomp naruto verse

Ikaros evolved into Pandora Mode and reacted to 2.0 versions Clones of her Uranus Queen mode the Melans. Showing that her new reaction speed is measured in femtoseconds. Keep in mind she's in power test mode fixing her broken systems. Shown below is how fast Ikaros in Uranus Queen mode Artemis are. She attacked Astraea from the other side of the planet in their sparring match. Each Melan >>> Uranus Ikaros

Ikaros has faster flight speed than Astraea who did this

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Tomoki achieved the power of Samsara while at a visit to a temple and had the power of the 6 dimensions of existence. Which he was manipulating and bfr Astraea to each one of them.

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Astraea's circuits were halted and still was able to fly from the heaven realm back to the Earth Universe in seconds.

Pandora Ikaros scales above Astraea in-flight speed and even is massively faster than Astraea's evil 2.0 melan clone

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Pandora 1 Astraea flies on photons in her fight against Chaos

As for the humans part

Suu the creator of SnO created a planet where 3 of his mangas share it. Judas, Sora No Otoshimono, and Daisuki.

The humans in Judas and Daisuki have magic powers to set off Mt. Fuji Vocalnic chain, surface wipe Japan, summon multiple asteroids that were small country size, and made a shockwave as big as Japan, and along with having the power to destroy the planet.

Base Ikaros alone scales massively above humans who are considered to be ants compared to her by the Master of Synapse. The Co-creator of existence stated humans are their playthings while Angeloids were created for battle and orders.

Base Ikaros scale above these humans in her world

The apostle of time can summon multiple asteroids which formed together to be small country size. It directly made a small country-size shockwave when it landed in the ocean. This caused a huge tidal wave.

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It is stated the Apostles powers together can ruin or destroy most of the Earth

The Apostle of destruction erupted Mt. Fuji which caused trenches all around Japan and the magma zones to flood and even breach Tokyo. Keep in mind Mt. Fuji and Tokyo are about 60 miles or 100 KM apart. That's not even all that was affected.

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The strongest Apostle Death with a weapon given from Jesus can make a blast seen from space he did this against a character, who had the power of the other Apostles, which makes him multi-country to planet level since all the apostles had the power to destroy the planet.

@kasya_carey: Thanks.

Naruto blitzes and oneshots. Rasenshuriken GG TSB GG Senjutsu GG

but he doesn’t she faster than Astraea above outflying radio waves and moved faster than a MFTL shield.

Lmao at TSB when the elimination of the world didn’t even affect Ikaros

Barely FTL yet moved faster before a femtosecond shield could be fully deployed. We love MFTL+ speed and she was holding back. And that wasn't even her strongest form. and Ikaros is still above her in-flight speed.

What do you think the elimination of the world is? It got erased and Ikaros was not affected in base form. The Rule erasing a planet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a TSB in naruto.

Hell, Ikaros with her powers sealed withstood the ultimate form of reality-warping plot manipulation. Which destroyed and reset a whole manga chapter. Lmao at TSB doing something. Plot manipulation along with toon force is the closest thing to Omnipotence.

Ikaros

Ikaros stomps.

how fast is naruto

@kasya_carey:

Doesnt this say that shield is delayed by 3.5 femtoseconds? Not that it was activated in 3.5 femtoseconds?

Something being delayed by a certain amount of time doesn't it mean it has that reaction speed, is there a more clear indication of what the shields actual reaction speed is?

Also what is the time frame for this??? Considering Light would travel around the planet 7 times in a second.

@morghulis: What are her best speed feats that put her way faster than FTL Naruto? Considering this is the same Naruto who dodged photon blast while injured and low on chakra?

@infinitemass said:

@kasya_carey:

Doesnt this say that shield is delayed by 3.5 femtoseconds? Not that it was activated in 3.5 femtoseconds?

Something being delayed by a certain amount of time doesn't it mean it has that reaction speed, is there a more clear indication of what the shields actual reaction speed is?

Also what is the time frame for this??? Considering Light would travel around the planet 7 times in a second.

The speed delay calculator used doesn't have femtoseconds but 3.5 Femtoseconds = 0.0000035 nanoseconds

Which means its a MFTL feat

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Tomoki achieved the power of Samsara while on a visit to a temple and had the power of the 6 realms of existence. He was manipulating and bfr Astraea to each one of them.

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Astraea's circuits were halted and she still could fly from the heaven realm back to the human world in seconds.

I would consider this at least Relativistic speeds in base form

2. Now when Base (Battle mode) Astraea faced Chaos she demonstrated to move as a flash of light which caught Base Chaos off-guard.

When she reached Pandora Mode which allows an angeloid to evolve beyond their limitations. As shown above she partially used a Pandora ability like Nymph did to Hiyori but truly unlocked this form.

Now Astraea fully reached her Pandora Form and unlocked her full power. This allowed her flight to basically be powered by photons. Also, keep a note of Chaos using Nymph's radar at full power. "It isn't showing up on Nymph's Radar Either... This Speed!!!

What does this mean? A Radar is an instrument that can detect surrounding objects using radio waves. The signal speeds are constant. All RADAR signals travel at the speed of light. Astraea moved faster than radio waves could pick up or detect her.

As shown in Uranus mode Ikaros' planetary range with Radar in my first post when she attacked Base Astraea from the other side of the planet off guard in their match. Ikaros also displayed planetary range again with her radar instantly detecting someone approaching the planet. Nymph Radar is far superior to Ikaros. In the scan above Nymph scanned the planet searching for another Angeloid and Tomoki. Ikaros admitted that a weakened Nymph radar is superior to hers. Now Chaos stole the power of Melan Ikaros and Nymph. Melans are second-generation angeloids made to be superior to first-generation angeloids which include Ikaros, Astraea, and Nymph before Pandora mode. In conclusion, Astraea, who has a radar was flying so fast that Chaos' couldn't perceive her on the radar which is planetary+ range. Placing Pandora Mode Astraea at least FTL speed. But wait there's more!

This feat has been controversial before in my opinion it takes in the context which I'll explain. Pandora Ikaros is in the power mode test which basically means she's testing out her abilities to fix her flaws. She was attacked by the Melans Artemis. She deployed her shield at such fast speeds that it was stated its reactions were delayed by 3.5 femtoseconds. Meaning it’s the speed of Ikaros's shield, not Ikaros's reactions herself. Now some people told me the speed would be a step-down and be measured in picoseconds which is still FTL+ To nearing low-end MFTL.

Pandora Astraea is shown busting through Chaos' shield just as/or could barely be deployed in time. Chaos is using the same shield as Ikaros and the difference is Chaos' shield has more potency. Making Pandora Mode Astraea FTL+ to MFTL

Pandora Ikaros > Astraea in speed. Pandora Ikaros can also upgrade her speed by 370% and accelerate 7x times after that

@kasya_carey:

Delay in reaction isn't reaction speed itself, the pages said it was delayed by 3.5 femto seconds, meaning 3.5 femto seconds in the delay, the actual reaction speed isn't mentioned. That means at this instance, the shield reaction speed is -3.5 femto seconds, so what is it's usual reaction speed for the delay?

Couple Questions here for this

Why are you using propagation delay? Something that is typically used in network settings and in case of objects already moving light speed? Are you suggesting the beams that hit the shield are light speed? And if so where is the proof for that?

Where are you getting 5 inches in distance from? Was it in the other panel and shows the distance?

Astraea's circuits were halted and she still could fly from the heaven realm back to the human world in seconds.

I would consider this at least Relativistic speeds in base form

Why would you consider it relativistic? Whats the distances between the too to make that assumption?

Now Astraea fully reached her Pandora Form and unlocked her full power. This allowed her flight to basically be powered by photons. Also, keep a note of Chaos using Nymph's radar at full power. "It isn't showing up on Nymph's Radar Either... This Speed!!!

What does this mean? A Radar is an instrument that can detect surrounding objects using radio waves. The signal speeds are constant. All RADAR signals travel at the speed of light. Astraea moved faster than radio waves could pick up or detect her.

Yeah I agree, that is definitely and FTL feat?

This feat has been controversial before in my opinion it takes in the context which I'll explain. Pandora Ikaros is in the power mode test which basically means she's testing out her abilities to fix her flaws. She was attacked by the Melans Artemis. She deployed her shield at such fast speeds that it was stated its reactions were delayed by 3.5 femtoseconds. Meaning it’s the speed of Ikaros's shield, not Ikaros's reactions herself. Now some people told me the speed would be a step-down and be measured in picoseconds which is still FTL+ To nearing low-end MFTL.

As explained above, unless you can provide actual reactions, it's delay can't be used as there is nothing to subtract off its base.

Pandora Astraea is shown busting through Chaos' shield just as/or could barely be deployed in time. Chaos is using the same shield as Ikaros and the difference is Chaos' shield has more potency. Making Pandora Mode Astraea FTL+ to MFTL

Having more potency doesn't make it faster unless you have some info that states hers is faster, also the shield is clearly fully deployed with her shattering right through it, that would be more of a strength feat for her and not a speed feat.

@morghulis:

You just posted it yourself. She has shields that can operate at MFTL speeds in reaction speed, scales to someone who travels on photons, and has multipliers like increasing her abilities by nearly 500%.

Explained why I have an issue with the feat, it being delayed by a certain time does not give it 3.5 femtospeed reactions, that is simply a -3.5 femtosecond delay, you would need to know the actual reaction speed.

And dodging photons doesn’t automatically make you FTL, just the fact that it’s in a novel doesn’t give us a visual of the scene: How far away was it fired? How much did Naruto move to dodge it? This should be at least a relativistic feat considering though.

Yeah and that was a severely weakened Naruto, considering a weaker Naruto dodged the Light Fang and an even weaker Naruto dodged the fastest attack from the Raikage which is relativistic.

@infinitemass said:

@kasya_carey:

Delay in reaction isn't reaction speed itself, the pages said it was delayed by 3.5 femto seconds, meaning 3.5 femto seconds in the delay, the actual reaction speed isn't mentioned. That means at this instance, the shield reaction speed is -3.5 femto seconds, so what is it's usual reaction speed for the delay?

Couple Questions here for this

Why are you using propagation delay? Something that is typically used in network settings and in case of objects already moving light speed? Are you suggesting the beams that hit the shield are light speed? And if so where is the proof for that?

Where are you getting 5 inches in distance from? Was it in the other panel and shows the distance?

Astraea's circuits were halted and she still could fly from the heaven realm back to the human world in seconds.

I would consider this at least Relativistic speeds in base form

Why would you consider it relativistic? Whats the distances between the too to make that assumption?

Now Astraea fully reached her Pandora Form and unlocked her full power. This allowed her flight to basically be powered by photons. Also, keep a note of Chaos using Nymph's radar at full power. "It isn't showing up on Nymph's Radar Either... This Speed!!!

What does this mean? A Radar is an instrument that can detect surrounding objects using radio waves. The signal speeds are constant. All RADAR signals travel at the speed of light. Astraea moved faster than radio waves could pick up or detect her.

Yeah I agree, that is definitely and FTL feat?

This feat has been controversial before in my opinion it takes in the context which I'll explain. Pandora Ikaros is in the power mode test which basically means she's testing out her abilities to fix her flaws. She was attacked by the Melans Artemis. She deployed her shield at such fast speeds that it was stated its reactions were delayed by 3.5 femtoseconds. Meaning it’s the speed of Ikaros's shield, not Ikaros's reactions herself. Now some people told me the speed would be a step-down and be measured in picoseconds which is still FTL+ To nearing low-end MFTL.

As explained above, unless you can provide actual reactions, it's delay can't be used as there is nothing to subtract off its base.

Pandora Astraea is shown busting through Chaos' shield just as/or could barely be deployed in time. Chaos is using the same shield as Ikaros and the difference is Chaos' shield has more potency. Making Pandora Mode Astraea FTL+ to MFTL

Having more potency doesn't make it faster unless you have some info that states hers is faster, also the shield is clearly fully deployed with her shattering right through it, that would be more of a strength feat for her and not a speed feat.

Because Ikaros mind is a radar and she’s uses electromagnetic energy

but I’ll post later

What the nice pictures weren't good enough? You had to resort to actual math? Bleh.

@infinitemass:

“Propagation delay is a ratio of the propagation speed to the distance between the source and destination”

Ikaros shield is powered by her core which is an electromagnetic energy core. This powers her radar, Artemis (which are the laser beams), shield, and much more.

If anything Astraea flying faster than radio waves solidifies the feat anyways. The feat is lowballed Astraea who has the weakest radar in base mode can easily send radio waves to a dimension outside the universe. Nymphs who's radar is more powerful in base can do the same thing and her Pandora is more powerful. Chaos with the melan powers had the radar of Ikaros and Nymph and overpowered Pandora nymphs radar. Yet Pandora Astraea easily flew faster than radio waves coming from chaos radar. Pandora Ikaros is faster than Pandora Astraea

@kasya_carey:

Ikaros shield is powered by her core which is an electromagnetic energy core. This powers her radar, Artemis (which are the laser beams), shield, and much more.

Which doesn't have anything to do with the delay, the shield was delayed by 3.5 femto seconds, doesn't mean it was deployed in 3.5 femto seconds which is my point. A humans reaction speed can be delayed by 0.00000001 second (Which is negligible), but that doesn't correlate to them having that speed, its simply a delay.

Propagation delay is typically used in networking systems to see latency and issues with network infrastructure, basically a tool to be used to find out why there is a delay, not how fast the delay is, especially since this would suggest above the speed of light which is already impossible by real standards, so using a calc for a calculation to do something out of it realm of possibility causes to come with these issues. Which is why the IMP can't be properly calculated in the first place, since anything above light speed cause BS Numbers.

If anything Astraea flying faster than radio waves solidifies the feat anyways

It solidifies that she is faster then light for sure, MFTL like suggested above is outta pocket though.

The feat is lowballed Astraea who has the weakest radar in base mode can easily send radio waves to a dimension outside the universe.

Context for this?

Chaos with the melan powers had the radar of Ikaros and Nymph and overpowered Pandora nymphs radar. Yet Pandora Astraea easily flew faster than radio waves coming from chaos radar. Pandora Ikaros is faster than Pandora Astraea

Radio Waves being stronger doesn't correlate to being faster(At least in real life sense), so their speed would still be the same unless you have info that suggest their Radar is faster?

A good example would be someones radar working on someone who outspeed another persons radar

Or if you give me the scan of the radio waves reaching the other dimension in a time frame, that would also be solid.

Wrong...

"Propagation delay the time duration taken for a signal to reach its destination. It can relate to networking, electronics, or physics."

Technically speaking Ikaros is an electronic and uses physics such as electromagnetism which propagation delay falls under both

Ikaro's computer brain literally tells us there is a 3.5 femtosecond reaction delay which is still MFTL+

Synapse is the dimension of existence that created the big bang

Synapse sits above other universes and is connected to them

Astraea who has the weakest radar can easily talk about and forth between dimensions with her master.

This means the radio waves emitted from her radar are bare minimum FTL+

Pandora Astraea was basically faster than Chaos using Nymph's radar which means her speed should be MFTL+ since she literally moved so faster the radio wave could not touch her when with immersive range.

Pandora Ikaros who is already on Pandora Astraea's level of speed can amp her speed up even higher by 370% and accelerate 7x even after that

Naruto sneezes the wall level verse.

@kasya_carey: I never read the manga but I always saw ikaros in many threads you created In past with all female battles. Reading your Comment on the verse lore seems like ikaros in Uranus queen mode and Pandora mode one shots. If she truly scales to star lv. This is a mismatch. Unless there’s counter arguments that ikaros isn’t at such a lv this thread should be locked and is not worth multiple pages of back and forth.

So boruto?

@kasya_carey:

Wrong...

"Propagation delay the time duration taken for a signal to reach its destination. It can relate to networking, electronics, or physics."

What does this have to do with anything I just mentioned, you didn't respond to how I said you are using it wrong, I'm not wrong because it's typically used in Networking, we use it to find latency all the time. Also You didn't even respond to my point about using it on things faster than light which isn't the intended use since electromagnetic waves can't travel beyond light speed.

Ikaro's computer brain literally tells us there is a 3.5 femtosecond reaction delay which is still MFTL+

So if I have a 3.5 femtosecond delay in moving my hand I'm suddenly MFTL+

Astraea who has the weakest radar can easily talk about and forth between dimensions with her master.

Is she using Radar or telepathy to talk to them?

Pandora Astraea was basically faster than Chaos using Nymph's radar which means her speed should be MFTL+ since she literally moved so faster the radio wave could not touch her when with immersive range.

That's a huge Jump, you would only need to be 0.01 or even 2 times faster to not be touched, how are you getting MFTL+ ??

Pandora Ikaros who is already on Pandora Astraea's level of speed can amp her speed up even higher by 370% and accelerate 7x even after that

That would still have her FTL +, not MFTL as that is Millions of times faster than light.

@morghulis:

Adult Base Naruto is not stronger than So6P Naruto, and it still stands as his best speed feat to date.

1. That's the point, an even weaker version could dodge a photon beam

2. It wasn't So6P Naruto that dodged the Raikage

3. This is Bayron Mode Naruto who is the strongest version.

Raikage is not relativistic.

1. I literally did respond. It is literally used in electronics, physics, and more. Is Ikaros not a robot?? Because her computer brain literally stated reactions were delayed by 3.5 femtoseconds.

2. Well you're not a computer nor do you use EM?

3. That's her radar as I literally stated when I posted everything to prove the point.

As stated by their creator Astraea may not have a high-performance radar like Nymph (which lets her hack and basically "reality warp") but the radio waves emitted from the angeloids radar can almost instantly reach a dimension outside of the universe. This is why I said bare minimum FTL+ in fact that's easily a MFTL+ feat. It takes radio waves 4.5 hours just to reach Pluto from Earth. Meaning no one in Naruto is touch even the slowest Angeloid Nymph

Can we get a mod to lock this? It's a mismatch

How fast do you place Ikaros?

I have her at MFTL+ EOS for being able to fight Pandora Chaos and match Artemis with her. Chaos at this time absorbed hundreds of melans including their stats and was fast enough to jam all signals which Hiyori's radar which produce radio waves fast enough to transverse dimensions.

Ikaros also is faster than Astraea in flight speed and Astraea's flight speed was powered by photons moving so fast she caught up to the deployment of a femtosecond accuracy shield. She was moved so fast that radio waves emitted from Chaos using Nymph's radar could not detect her.

Along with being able to upgrade her speed by 370% and accelerate 7x faster after that