Both are bloodlusted and full power.
Who win?
Barbatos vs Trigon
@thevoidofdeath said:
Pre crisis Trigon is a multiversal entity and the New 52 version merged with a entity that totalled universes . Same Trigon that angered the Presence and had the council in fear
When was PC Trigon Multiversal? During the crisis event Monitor stated he was similar in power to the Spectre. Just regular Spectre.
And having read Trigon's N52 origin pretty recently, it says that it contained the evil of almost 100 galaxies. Not a universe (which holds ~2,000,000,000,000 galaxies).
A few pages later, Trigon makes this claim:
So you're right, Trigon makes this claim of it levelling universes, but we have two clearly conflicting pieces of information here, and one is much more believable than the other. This took place a couple years before Convergence, so we're just talking about 52 universes. It would be a major event for any of them to be actually destroyed.
Plus, the way the Divine used the heart is incongruent with this claim. The Heart doesn't even appear to kill the people it's taking evil out of.
To me it makes much more sense to go with the narration rather than the braggadocious claims of a paradimensional warlord, because he has way too many anti-feats to be universal. I'm not sure in the current canon he's even directly shown to be planetary.
It leave enough room since thats the only way to explain both the Divine and Trigon previous and later statements.
It doesn't leave room for absolutely anything. The heart had 100 galaxies of evil. This was narrated in clear terms.
What other indications?
As in, some demonstration of power. He's never shown any planetary feats that I know of in N52. Not planetary, not star level, not galaxy level, and certainly not universal. To assume he is universal assumes he is trillions of trillions of times stronger than anything he's actually done in fights.
Trigon is later on mentioned (also by narration) that he conquer universes
Sure, but conquering a universe's intelligent life and destroying a universe are in completely differnet leagues.
It is right in the context when you follow Trigon statements that are not contradicted in any way by the same Divine
Universal means "to destroy a universe" and nothing about eradicating evil indicates you can destroy a universe. And it was directly narrated that they made it through less than one hundred galaxies.
They are definitely tanking something similar.
No they aren't, and this is explained even by Belial himself. He says that a misstep will leave you falling through endless worlds. Sitting there they are not tanking any attacks or power.
I mean the amount of all sort of energies released when millions of universes collide eachoter
Sure, but clearly none of that energy is affecting them. Phantom Stranger isn't that strong either, as far as I know he doesnt even have country level feats from anything I've read of him. To think he's somehow universal is absolutely obscene.
Terms that were contradicted later so the interpretation that make sense is that is about the galaxies in that universe.
Contradicted only by Trigon's claims. If the narration and a character say two different things, the narration is correct.
Trigon in n52 have one goal, to conquer the Heaven
When did he say he wanted to conquer Heaven?
not to blow up random universes.
I don't care what his goals are, if he doesnt have the feats then he isn't that powerful.
However the fact that Presence make deals with him and at some point he take on the Presence himself place him well beyond universal as power level
The Voice defeated Trigon in mere moments when they fought in Trinity of Sin.
Emptying a universe of life, souls and energy is pretty much the same level, just done in a different, more nasty way.
No it isn't. He had armies that he used to conquer the universes. It wasn't some cosmically vast personal power that he used.
It says it "leveled" universes, so thats also pretty clear
And as I said, this claim is contradicted by everything else. Feats >>>> Character's claims about their own power.
I find a bit amusing how you cling on the interpretation with the galaxies
Interpretation? It's said directly. There's no interpretation.
yet you reject a direct quote here.
Because feats >>>> character claims. If you assume that this is a universal feat, everyone in DC becomes universal or nearly universal by way of scaling. The characters themselves have no universal feats. A casual claim at a poker game doesn't change that.
Phantom is the messenger of the Presence and sort of impossible to kill as such
That doesn't matter. He isn't invincible, and would be seriously injured by even a city level blast. To think of him as tanking millions of universal attacks while casually playing a poker game is absurd.
I don't know why Trigon is being lowballed. Trigon's sons could exist in a room where millions of universes were colliding around them. And they're all recognized as weaker than him. Although Barbatos does win this, Trigon gives him a massive run for his money since he is one of the most powerful Gods that utilize magic in DC comics. Probably only rivaled by the Presence, full powered Lords of Order, Mordru, and a hand full of others.
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