This is Kenpachi who has fully mastered his bankai and has no time limit vs Butterfly Aizen as he was against Dangai ichigo but he can not heal or become more powerful. Kyoka suigetsu is restricted
Butterfly aizen was not able to erase a mountain with his swings. Shikai TYBW Kenpachi destroyed meteor which is 100x the mountains
Who cares. Aizen is stronger than Kenpachi, they aren’t comparable in power in the slightest making the comparison is the height of insanity and deplorability
Kenpachi's feat of cutting a meteor makes butterfly aizen looks like a baby lmfao
Okay, I’m gonna be reasonable here.
Shikai Kenpachi’s meteor feat is greater than all the feats of these characters:
SK Yhwach
Ichibei
HoS Ichigo
Bankai Ichigo
Muken Aizen
Make an argument that he is stronger than any of these people and I will literally have a brain aneurysm.
Lastly, and most annoyingly, people don’t actually read the manga.
Aizen clashed with Ichigo’s blade (the mountain erasing force) and literally said this:
‘I was able to figure out from that clash of swords, that our evolutions are not in the same dimension.
IF I WANT, I can shatter your sword with one stroke’
With the highlighted, try and make an argument that Aizen was trying, and that is his full power.
Kenpachi is fodder to Aizen. Yes, the meteor feat is better. It doesn’t matter.
Lol you always don't get feats of big DC like that. Kenny also fought gerard with shikai and was not destroying surroundings. Aizen was purposely doing that against dangai ichigo and still failed to erase a mountain. Even if he was not using his full power he was at least using 35-40% of it
Even aizen who is one of the most intelligent character was surprised by mountain erasing feats
SK Yhwach -- He did show bigger feat when he was destroying all the 3 worlds
Ichibei -- He isn't even raw power type but hax
HoS Ichigo -- Where there mountains surrounding him?
Muken Aizen -- Same as ichigo's case
You need to understand the sheer gap of scale between the meteor and mountains.
Lol you always don't get feats of big DC like that. Kenny also fought gerard with shikai and was not destroying surroundings. Aizen was purposely doing that against dangai ichigo and still failed to erase a mountain. Even if he was not using his full power he was at least using 35-40% of it
Nope. He said it wasn’t in the same dimension.
Not sure how you can fail to erase a mountain, when you swing in a general direction and erase it, while not trying.
I didn’t make it up. He literally said everything I’m saying, on panel. Let’s read the chapter:
Ichigo is the mountain?
You thought he was actually trying to do that?
Like the strike was parried (carried a fraction of the power) and STILL vaped the mountain:
Come on bro. Let’s be reasonable, read this.
Let’s pretend we were sword fighting. You swing at me. I hit your sword away.
Wouldn’t carry the full power of the swing would it?
THAT is the power that blew away the mountain.
Cleanly erased. Not shattered or broken apart, straight up vaped.
He was shocked as compared to his previous power, he couldn’t vape mountains with literally no effort.
He then said that he could tell this was a dimension below his full power, and that he could break his sword with a single stroke.
Come on man. You gotta read into it.
Even aizen who is one of the most intelligent character was surprised by mountain erasing feats
Yes he was. Surprised at how little effort it took. Like it’s on panel, it was a parried strike that blew the mountain away, not an actual strike.
He then said it wasn’t in the dimension of his true power.
SK Yhwach -- He did show bigger feat when he was destroying all the 3 worlds
He didn’t do it even though he could, not a feat and he has no feats on Kenpachi’s level.
Here is a feat though. Is this attack weaker than Kenpachi’s?
(it broken Aizen’s chair)
(Aizen’s chair had Kurohitsugi fired at it with no damage)
Ichibei -- He isn't even raw power type but hax
Right.
Casually crushing Yhwach abilities with his hands.
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Causally flexing and overpowering Blut Vene Anhaben:
Doing this to a guy who is the same level as Yamamoto and stronger than all Quincy. Right.
HoS Ichigo -- Where there mountains surrounding him?
Doesn’t matter. Where were the meteors surrounding Aizen?
Muken Aizen -- Same as ichigo's case
Same answer as above.
You need to understand the sheer gap of scale between the meteor and mountains.
Again, being reasonable.
Canonically Aizen is way above TYBW Kenpachi, Ichibei, the entire Gotei 13, etc. This isn’t up for debate.
Putting this aside.
Replacing Kenpachi with a serious Butterfly Aizen in the TYBW Arc means the entire extermination of the Quincy ground force, including Gremmy and including 100 meteors.
Finally, to conclude.
It makes sense that the meteor feat is stronger than Aizen‘a because both took no effort, Aizen’s just took a lot less effort.
Lol you always don't get feats of big DC like that. Kenny also fought gerard with shikai and was not destroying surroundings. Aizen was purposely doing that against dangai ichigo and still failed to erase a mountain. Even if he was not using his full power he was at least using 35-40% of it
Nope. He said it wasn’t in the same dimension.
Not sure how you can fail to erase a mountain, when you swing in a general direction and erase it, while not trying.
I didn’t make it up. He literally said everything I’m saying, on panel. Let’s read the chapter:
Ichigo is the mountain?
You thought he was actually trying to do that?
Like the strike was parried (carried a fraction of the power) and STILL vaped the mountain:
Come on bro. Let’s be reasonable, read this.
Let’s pretend we were sword fighting. You swing at me. I hit your sword away.
Wouldn’t carry the full power of the swing would it?
THAT is the power that blew away the mountain.
Cleanly erased. Not shattered or broken apart, straight up vaped.
He was shocked as compared to his previous power, he couldn’t vape mountains with literally no effort.
He then said that he could tell this was a dimension below his full power, and that he could break his sword with a single stroke.
Come on man. You gotta read into it.
Even aizen who is one of the most intelligent character was surprised by mountain erasing feats
Yes he was. Surprised at how little effort it took. Like it’s on panel, it was a parried strike that blew the mountain away, not an actual strike.
He then said it wasn’t in the dimension of his true power.
SK Yhwach -- He did show bigger feat when he was destroying all the 3 worlds
He didn’t do it even though he could, not a feat and he has no feats on Kenpachi’s level.
Here is a feat though. Is this attack weaker than Kenpachi’s?
(it broken Aizen’s chair)
(Aizen’s chair had Kurohitsugi fired at it with no damage)
Ichibei -- He isn't even raw power type but hax
Right.
Casually crushing Yhwach abilities with his hands.
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Causally flexing and overpowering Blut Vene Anhaben:
Doing this to a guy who is the same level as Yamamoto and stronger than all Quincy. Right.
HoS Ichigo -- Where there mountains surrounding him?
Doesn’t matter. Where were the meteors surrounding Aizen?
Muken Aizen -- Same as ichigo's case
Same answer as above.
You need to understand the sheer gap of scale between the meteor and mountains.
Again, being reasonable.
Canonically Aizen is way above TYBW Kenpachi, Ichibei, the entire Gotei 13, etc. This isn’t up for debate.
Putting this aside.
Replacing Kenpachi with a serious Butterfly Aizen in the TYBW Arc means the entire extermination of the Quincy ground force, including Gremmy and including 100 meteors.
Finally, to conclude.
It makes sense that the meteor feat is stronger than Aizen‘a because both took no effort, Aizen’s just took a lot less effort.
Okay. I got your input. Thanks for it. I read up till the aizen part. I will say this again though. Even if its fraction of power released which destroyed the mountain lets say 10% that was still ichigo's power not aizen. Also the meteor was at least 100x the mountain if not even more. Lets say if your fist is the meteor then ants will be the mountain.
Kenpachi was casual and was eye patched also when he erased the meteor
Butterly Aizen, otherwise known as Transcendental Aizen, as the name suggests, is transcendental.
What that means is that he transcends all Shinigami and Hollow to the point where the difference between a transcendental and a non-transcendental being is described as the difference between a 3D and 2D being.
TL;DR: Aizen stares at Kenpachi and Kenpachi explodes.
Kenpachi is a pure raw power machine. Aizen might be transcended or whatever but without direct statements regarding their power it's hard to know if he actually hits harder.
anyone who has watch Bleach and read the novel knows the answer plain and simple
Transcendent Aizen 1 shots.
TYBW Kenpachi while strong is only on similar tier to Urahara, Yorouchi, Byakuya and Adult Toshiro, 2 of which were stated and confirm to be inferior to Yamamoto and Aizen Pre Hyogoku.
lets see actual Canon -> Shikai Kenpachi was pretty even with Giant Base Gerard, on the other hand Byakuya manage to destroy a buffed up 10x Gerard via his Bankai, Volstandig and Bankai have similar Multiplier meaning Kenpachi as he was in Bankai is not much stronger than Byakuya and Adult Toshiro that destroyed Gerard body the only difference is how they manifest that power, Byakuya is through Swords while Kenpachi is through Brute Strength
Kenpachi's feat of cutting a meteor makes butterfly aizen looks like a baby lmfao
are you new to scaling? this is like me suggesting that Frieza 500k PL is stronger than Android 17,18,16, SSJ Vegeta, Perfect Cell etc, because his feat of blowing up a planet is better but im sure you understand how idiotic that would be
canonically someone far stronger than Shikai Kenpachi that being TYBW Byakuya is confirm to be of similar power to Tokinada and Yorouchi who are both confirm to be inferior to Yamamoto and Pre Hyougoku Aizen
TYBW Kenpachi is only High tier in Bleach at about the same level of Power as Adult Toshiro, Yorouchi, Urahara, Shunsui, Byakuya.
@raziel2014: flawed logic is terrible especially using DBZ when every character is a brick and the androids toyed with a stronger brick then Frieza (super Saiyan Vegeta).
Transcendent > all is nonsense considering EOS surpassed his former self and he could no longer keep evolving and could also be harmed by brute force same as Bach who was also transcended. Hell EOS ichigo was stomped into the ground by base askin if your logic held any weight that would not have happened.
Not to mention we saw Aizen a tier below damage him with a fragor so high enough physical force = death to transcendence
Kenpachi is far from a glasscanon as he clearly demonstrates what happens when one uses more power than their body can handle.
Attack potency = Durability in Bleach, they're interchangeable. The concept of Reiryoku in and of itself should've made this rather clear.
With that being said lol at people crying about transcendence. What's next? Author tells you that in order to become a Soul King you need to be a hybrid but you're gonna claim that anyone and their mother can become a Soul King despite what the author has just told you?
Funny how people ignore that Kenny is a glasscanon and physical tons of tiers below Aizen
He cant even hurt Aizen
What are you smoking? Kenny can literally one shot Aizen.
People forget that he did the meteor feat with his eyepatch on. His entire fight with Gremmy was with Eyepatch. Remove the eyepatch and give him another 5x multiplier from Bankai? Good luck.
CFYOW Kenpachi vs Aizen can definitely be debatable though given how stupidly buffed he got in the Novels by Kubo and Narita
He wasn't buffed. That is just how strong he is. TYBW and CFYOW are only 6 months apart. There is absolute zero reason to believe he got that much stronger in that time.
Funny how people ignore that Kenny is a glasscanon and physical tons of tiers below Aizen
He cant even hurt Aizen
What are you smoking? Kenny can literally one shot Aizen.
People forget that he did the meteor feat with his eyepatch on. His entire fight with Gremmy was with Eyepatch. Remove the eyepatch and give him another 5x multiplier from Bankai? Good luck.
Attack potency = Durability in Bleach, they're interchangeable. The concept of Reiryoku in and of itself should've made this rather clear.
That isn't entirely true. Durability generally does come from passives, but things like Blut Vene exist that tend to scale way higher then AP.
What are YOU smoking?This Aizen is the 5. strongest person in Bleach
And lol at Kenny not having shitty Dura.
Cant even withstood is own power.The fact that Gremmy and the femknights were able to hurt him is the nail in the coffin.Also whats with this Meteor feat?Aizen or Ichigo would vape that shit.Not just pulverizing it
Aizen matched Dangai Ichigo,the 4. strongest Character in the Verse,someone who oneshots Kenny by swinging in a general direction.
Fact is,Kenny cant hurt Aizen due to far to good Dura,will never be able to match his speed(which is irrelevant anyway as he cant hurt him) and Aizens AP is several leagues above Kennys.
CFYOW Kenpachi vs Aizen can definitely be debatable though given how stupidly buffed he got in the Novels by Kubo and Narita
He wasn't buffed. That is just how strong he is. TYBW and CFYOW are only 6 months apart. There is absolute zero reason to believe he got that much stronger in that time.
Nah he def far stronger. For one it was noted he was training still iirc
And secondly his feats in the novel are on an entirely different tier compared to back in the TBYW. In his Base Form with no eyepatch he was matching a full power Hikone who was beginning to break the boundary between Shinigami and Hollows ( of which is around Chrysalis Aizen tier...who scales far above Yamamoto and even Ichibei ) It's further consistent since it was stated the only people who could handle Hikone in terms of raw power were Ichigo and Aizen ( who ofc were far above him ) which also means Ichibei couldn't handle the Hikone. Ichibei would still stomp EOS Kenpachi by feats
And then once that OP Hollow Ikomikidomoe ate a fragment of the Soul King itself greatly empowering himself and overpowered Ichibei's curse he also then began to get even stronger by absorbing massive amounts of reishi from the surroundings iirc
And Kenpachi simply went Shikai and one shot him and called him a disappointment...and he never even used his Bankai no less..he was mega buffed bro lmao
Nah he def far stronger. For one it was noted he was training still iirc
Nope. I also don't remember a training quote, but even if there was... there is no one for him to have any meaningful training with.
And secondly his feats in the novel are on an entirely different tier compared to back in the TBYW. In his Base Form with no eyepatch he was matching a full power Hikone who was beginning to break the boundary between Shinigami and Hollows ( of which is around Chrysalis Aizen tier...who scales far above Yamamoto and even Ichibei ) It's further consistent since it was stated the only people who could handle Hikone in terms of raw power were Ichigo and Aizen ( who ofc were far above him ) which also means Ichibei couldn't handle the Hikone. Ichibei would still stomp EOS Kenpachi by feats
Breaking the boundary doesn't mean shit. There are a metric ton of people that broke the boundary between them.
At no point does Chrysalis Aizen scale above Yammamoto or Ichibei.. Your talking about the same Aizen that was finger flicked by Isshin and beat down by Yoruichi? Two people EOS Kenpachi scaled massively above?
Ichibei might win based on hacks, but not on a pure fight. Aizen has no hax here.
Are you also forgetting the reason why Kenpachi was "unlocked"? To fight Yhwach. Before Shikai and Bankai, he was to a point where SS believed him to be their only hope. Not Ichigo. Not Aizen. Not the Royal Guard. Kenpachi.
Aizen is slower and arrogant in this form. He literally allows himself to get attacked throughout his fight with Ichigo. If does that to Kenpachi, he dies in one shot. The guy cut through Space itself. No chance Aizen survives that.
Also said myself that it is clearly shown what happens when one exceeds their durability like when Yachiru released too much power and Kenpachi's arm was nearly severed.
Reiryoku works by exerting it in the forms of attacks and for durability. Both AP and durability share the same source.
Funny how people ignore that Kenny is a glasscanon and physical tons of tiers below Aizen
He cant even hurt Aizen
What are you smoking? Kenny can literally one shot Aizen.
People forget that he did the meteor feat with his eyepatch on. His entire fight with Gremmy was with Eyepatch. Remove the eyepatch and give him another 5x multiplier from Bankai? Good luck.
Attack potency = Durability in Bleach, they're interchangeable. The concept of Reiryoku in and of itself should've made this rather clear.
That isn't entirely true. Durability generally does come from passives, but things like Blut Vene exist that tend to scale way higher then AP.
What are YOU smoking?This Aizen is the 5. strongest person in Bleach
And lol at Kenny not having shitty Dura.
Cant even withstood is own power.The fact that Gremmy and the femknights were able to hurt him is the nail in the coffin.Also whats with this Meteor feat?Aizen or Ichigo would vape that shit.Not just pulverizing it
Aizen matched Dangai Ichigo,the 4. strongest Character in the Verse,someone who oneshots Kenny by swinging in a general direction.
Fact is,Kenny cant hurt Aizen due to far to good Dura,will never be able to match his speed(which is irrelevant anyway as he cant hurt him) and Aizens AP is several leagues above Kennys.
Nope. I also don't remember a training quote, but even if there was... there is no one for him to have any meaningful training with.
It stated several times in the novels he been training since the end of the TBYW..and as for that second part it doesn't matter since he still got the buff from it regardless as show by the novels. And not just with Kenny but multiple characters
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Breaking the boundary doesn't mean shit. There are a metric ton of people that broke the boundary between them.
At no point does Chrysalis Aizen scale above Yammamoto or Ichibei..
Characters only start to transcend and becomes "gods" via breaking the barrier starting around Condom Aizen tier....which is something Hikone was doing
And Base No Eyepatch Kenpachi went on to match him blow for blow
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Your talking about the same Aizen that was finger flicked by Isshin and beat down by Yoruichi? Two people EOS Kenpachi scaled massively above?
Also...now you just blatantly lying...Isshin only ever flicked BASE Aizen...and Yoruichi, Kisuke and Isshin all got BODIED the moment Aizen stopped playing around...like Isshin even comments about how they can't sense his spirit energy at all due to how far above them in power and existence he was at the moment
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And it was literally confirmed he was just playing around the whole time with them as he gotten somewhat careless with having the power of the hax orb of doom at his disposal
The scans I posted him proceeding the instantly body them when he stopped doing so above being proof of this
Ichibei might win based on hacks, but not on a pure fight. Aizen has no hax here.
Nah even in just pure stats Ichibei slams TBYW Kenny...Bankai Yama slams TBWY Kenny too and it more of a debate between Bankai Kenny and Shikai Yama. Proof of this being the fact that Hikone's master Tokinada is stated to have spirit energy on par with guys like EOS Byakuya
The same Kenpachi who had to go Bankai to defeat God Size Gerard ( which he then did easily )
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Which should roughly put him on Vollstandig Gerard tier..which is around the same tier as Byakuya given what Byakuya alongside Toshiro did to said form of Gerard
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So Bankai Byakuya and Bankai Kenny are roughly within the same tier thus putting EOS Kenny roughly at Tokinada level
This same Tokinada who couldn't even replicate Yamamoto's level of power in SHIKAI
Meaning the absolute highest you can argue Bankai TBWY Kenpachi is at Shikai Yamamoto tier
This is further consistent with the fact that it was stated the only people who would be able to defeat a Full Power Hikone were
- Ichigo and Aizen ( through sheer overwhelming power )
- Kisuke and Mayuri ( with prep time )
Which means even Ichibei can't beat him
And look how it also states it unsure if even Ginjo could defeat him. This is important cause Ginjo in that same novel with an emotion amp could temporarily reach levels rivalling an emotion amp fb bankai ichigo
Which is insane since that same emotion amp fb bankai ichigo fought base yhwach ( who is roughly ichibei tier ) and damaged and was going to force him to use his full power as we know
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So even if u wanted to lowball Condom Aizen would at minimum be in Ichibei/Base Yhwach levels and a full power Hikone is as strong as that of whom Base no eye patch Kenny matched and defeated
Are you also forgetting the reason why Kenpachi was "unlocked"? To fight Yhwach. Before Shikai and Bankai, he was to a point where SS believed him to be their only hope. Not Ichigo. Not Aizen. Not the Royal Guard. Kenpachi.
True but that clearly gets contradicted/nulled later on given Kenny only accomplishment is beating Gremmy who despite his hype of being the strongest has several other sternritters ( like gerard, pernida or jugram ) end up surpassing him and several other shinigami ( such as byakuya and toshiro ) go on to rival kenpachi anyways. So that a terrible point to try and use
Aizen is slower and arrogant in this form. He literally allows himself to get attacked throughout his fight with Ichigo. If does that to Kenpachi, he dies in one shot. The guy cut through Space itself. No chance Aizen survives that.
What are you talking about? During his battle with Ichigo he was trying his best to win given how he pissed he was Ichigo was fondling him to the point he was forced to evolve to even be capable of harming him
Also Kenny cutting through space-time attacks as shown when he casually one shot the cleaner..a being that governs all of time and space in Bleach...in a lesser god form no less. Also the sheer gap in power...
CFYOW Kenpachi is simply a whole other breed bro...it's that simple
If you're wondering why the case the author Narita is a hardcore Kenpachi fanboy/wanker and Kubo approves of that hence why the buff the hell out of him in the novels. Like read his other novel SAFWY that takes place during the timeskip after the winter war. Kenpachi at the beginning of the novel goes from Nnoitra level ( this is stated ) to Vasto Lorde Ichigo tier by the end of it
anyone who has watch Bleach and read the novel knows the answer plain and simple
Transcendent Aizen 1 shots.
TYBW Kenpachi while strong is only on similar tier to Urahara, Yorouchi, Byakuya and Adult Toshiro, 2 of which were stated and confirm to be inferior to Yamamoto and Aizen Pre Hyogoku.
lets see actual Canon -> Shikai Kenpachi was pretty even with Giant Base Gerard, on the other hand Byakuya manage to destroy a buffed up 10x Gerard via his Bankai, Volstandig and Bankai have similar Multiplier meaning Kenpachi as he was in Bankai is not much stronger than Byakuya and Adult Toshiro that destroyed Gerard body the only difference is how they manifest that power, Byakuya is through Swords while Kenpachi is through Brute Strength
Base Kenpachi with eye-patch scales to Aizen + hogyoku as stated in the novels, also both Toshiro and Byakuya needed setup to hit their attacks, Kenny blitzed him without him being able to react.
Your talking about the same Aizen that was finger flicked by Isshin and beat down by Yoruichi? Two people EOS Kenpachi scaled massively above?
Base Aizen that fought Isshin was heavily weakened, the Reaitsu required to hypnotize that many captians and Vice Captains is beyond your imagination, even Tokinada with EOS Byakuya level of Reaitsu had serious trouble using KS on multiple captains, Aizen did it and even included Yamamoto on it, secondly the activation of Hyogoku requires 2x the reaitsu of a Captain as stated by Aizen in HM, when Isshin Fought Base Aizen we dont even know how much % of his reaitsu was left, prior to that he even directly tanked a Hado 96 from Yamamoto with barely any injury.'
as for Cacoon Aizen yea he was chilling the entire fight when he got serious he literally flexed and one shot them.
you may not like canon but canon does not really care, Yamamoto and AIzen are indeed superior to the likes of Tokinada and BYakuya of course its relative to the forms not Base vs Bankai or anything like that, its specifically Base vs Base and Shikai vs Shikai.
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