Bane
Wilson Fisk
Rules
No weapons or armor
@doomnaut: First fight, Matt was ridiculously injured. Relatively healthy Daredevil vs Kingpin = Matt barely wins. Relatively healthy Batman vs Bane = Bane curbstomp. See where I'm going with this? It wasn't until Bruce understood Bane that he could beat him. Bane would wreck Kingpin. Not fast enough, not strong enough, not man enough to face the boy born in the Pit.
@doomnaut: First fight, Matt was ridiculously injured. Relatively healthy Daredevil vs Kingpin = Matt barely wins. Relatively healthy Batman vs Bane = Bane curbstomp. See where I'm going with this? It wasn't until Bruce understood Bane that he could beat him. Bane would wreck Kingpin. Not fast enough, not strong enough, not man enough to face the boy born in the Pit.
ABC logic aint welcome on the vine here. Kingpin showed better h2h than baleman and bane.
@those_eyes: It isn't ABC because neither of those characters could cross over universes and fight eachother lol. And no, Bane was literally putting holes in a marble column, and broke Batman's back. The best Kingpin did was kick a bleeding out Daredevil and then lose to him when he was healthy.
Daredevil mcu > Batman DK trilogy imo. Batman in those movies is portrayed as more of a brawler than a martial artist and doesn't show anywhere near the fighting skills that daredevil has. Bane doesn't show much skill either he just absorbed batmans punches thanks to his painkiller mask. Fisk and bane both have extreme amounts of pain tolerance, I feel like they are pretty close in terms of strength but fisk was throwing daredevil around like a rag doll. And bane only beat batman after he donning the batsuit his second him AFTER 8 YEARS, when he is rusty and doesn't even have any cartilage in his one leg. Once his weakness (his mask) was exposed to bats, it was a cakewalk for him. Daredevils speed and training allowed him to hang with fisk, but once fisk got a hold of him it nearly costed daredevil his life. I think Fisk is really being underrated in this fight and bane overrated.
@doomnaut: First fight, Matt was ridiculously injured. Relatively healthy Daredevil vs Kingpin = Matt barely wins. Relatively healthy Batman vs Bane = Bane curbstomp. See where I'm going with this? It wasn't until Bruce understood Bane that he could beat him. Bane would wreck Kingpin. Not fast enough, not strong enough, not man enough to face the boy born in the Pit.
That's misleading. When Daredevil fought Fisk for the final time, he was more than just relatively healthy. He was better than he'd ever been before, and suited up in custom body armor with duel billy clubs. Bane curbstomped Batman when Batman was old, out of practice, and injured. When Batman came out of the pit and was actually "relatively healthy" as you put it, the fight was not a curbstomp, Batman won. Blame it on the gas mask if you want, but then if Bane wasn't immune to pain in the first place, Batman would have won anyway.
Bane vs Fisk is a good fight.
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@jedixman: Kingpin isn't exactly slow either, and Bane isn't sporting any significant speed edge over him.
@jedixman: Kingpin isn't exactly slow either, and Bane isn't sporting any significant speed edge over him.
He was stated to be incredibly fast and a ferocious fighter. Kingpin has only three notable feats: beating a man who wasn't fighting back, fighting a near-dead Matt, and fighting Daredevil. In his final fight, he barely landed a hit until, somehow, he actually did.
Bane was meant to be extremely fast. You can argue whether or not Alfred is a good judge, but Nolan meant for him to be a good judge. His analysis of Bane - in which he states that he is incredibly fast, to the point where he might be too much for Bruce - was meant to show how powerful and skilled he was. He's a naturally strong, vicious fighter, who has all of the skill of being trained by Ra's al Ghul. The man was strong enough that he was able to break a pillar with his punches, and durable enough that he could tank Bruce's kicks - which broke a brick wall when he was barely trying. He was faster, stronger, and more durable than Bruce.
Bane was hyped up to be all of the above. Kingpin was hyped up to simply be strong; there was never any mention, or display, of skill or notable speed. Bane has both. Bane also has better striking feats; he broke a pillar and broke Batman's mask with his punches.
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@jedixman: I agree. Nolan Bane was very fast for a guy who was a massive brute in comic books
Bane in a massive curbstomp. Bane is stronger, faster, younger, more durable and more skilled. I don't see Fisk beating any version of Batman, like Bane did, even though Bane probably did beat Bale Bats at his worse.
@those_eyes: It isn't ABC because neither of those characters could cross over universes and fight eachother lol. And no, Bane was literally putting holes in a marble column, and broke Batman's back. The best Kingpin did was kick a bleeding out Daredevil and then lose to him when he was healthy.
This.
@gunswordfist_: except marble doesn't crumble like the pillar Bane punched did. No, he broke the facing and some concrete underneath not marble.
@paragonnate: That may be true but it's still a feat Kingpin can't replicate at all. Bane is stronger.
@gunswordfist_: Fisk's not as strong true, but he's strong enough to hold his own for a time. He's not winning, but he's not getting stomped.
Bane literally runs through him, bane is the boy from the pit he was born in it, molded by it. Fisk is just too slow, bane is too powerful.
Bane wins. Similarly strong, more durable, and way more skilled. Fisk wouldn't go down without a fight though.
@firedude17: How?
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