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#1 Posted by GXrevs06 (4410 posts) - - Show Bio
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Conditions

  • Random Encounter
  • Bloodlust on
  • Standard gear
  • Current versions
  • Luffy can use gears
  • Win by death or any form incap
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#2 Posted by Sy8000 (35076 posts) - - Show Bio

Bloodlusted Luffy uses Gear 4 and one-shots.

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#3 Edited by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

Bloodlusted Luffy uses Gear 4 and one-shots.

lol.no.Ban has never been permanently put down in his life.

Ban take's it with moderate difficulty.Hunter Fest steals a chunk of Luffy's power and Fox Hunt rips Luffy's heart out.

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#4 Posted by Sy8000 (35076 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser said:

Bloodlusted Luffy uses Gear 4 and one-shots.

lol.no.Ban has never been permanently put down in his life.

Ban take's it with moderate difficulty.Hunter Fest steals a chunk of Luffy's power and Fox Hunt rips Luffy's heart out.

He was out of commission briefly after Demon Meliodas hit him. Luffy is much stronger.

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#5 Edited by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: Ban has never been incapacitated due to damage.not once.He was only down because physical hunt temporarily paralyses his body.That why Hawk was carrying him around

Galan was smacking him around and he got up everytime within seconds.

And base Galan is in the same ballpark as G4 Luffy.

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#6 Edited by Sy8000 (35076 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock said:

@highaccuser: Ban has never been incapacitated due to damage.not once.He was only down because physical hunt temporarily paralyses his body.That why Hawk was carrying him around

Galan was smacking him around and he got up everytime within seconds.

And base Galan is in the same ballpark as G4 Luffy.

Not by demon Meliodas at Vysel? Estarossa also knocked him out for a fair amount of time. Physical Hunt taking a toll on his body makes this fight somewhat unwindable anyway.

Luffy is stronger than Galan and Ban in general hasn't healed from attacks on the level he'd be giving out.

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#7 Edited by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser said:
@shadowshock said:

@highaccuser: Ban has never been incapacitated due to damage.not once.He was only down because physical hunt temporarily paralyses his body.That why Hawk was carrying him around

Galan was smacking him around and he got up everytime within seconds.

And base Galan is in the same ballpark as G4 Luffy.

Not by demon Meliodas at Vysel? Estarossa also knocked him out for a fair amount of time. Physical Hunt taking a toll on his body makes this fight somewhat unwindable anyway.

Luffy is stronger than Galan and Ban in general hasn't healed from attacks on the level he'd be giving out.

He regened seconds after Mel sent him fly,but he couldn't walk due to the side effects of phsical hunt.As for Estarossa turning him into a puddle of blood,we don't know the exact timeframe he took to regen,but i doubt it's more than a few minutes.

Luffy isn't stronger than Galan.Galan in base form is faster and can dish out as much damage as G4 Luffy.Not to mention Galan has regen and soul steal on touch.Also Critical Over puts him ahead of Luffy by a mile.

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#8 Posted by Sy8000 (35076 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock:

He regened seconds after Mel sent him fly,but he couldn't walk due to the side effects of phsical hunt.As for Estarossa turning him into a puddle of blood,we don't know the exact timeframe he took to regen,but i doubt it's more than a few minutes.

A few seconds, a few minutes, it's enough when Luffy's going to be putting out way more than them. Also Ban can't hurt him past his Haki.

Luffy isn't stronger than Galan.Galan in base form is faster and can dish out as much damage as G4 Luffy.Not to mention Galan has regen and soul steal on touch.Also Critical Over puts him ahead of Luffy by a mile.

Luffy is stronger than Galan. The damage he did to Dessrosa was greater than the thin line Galan cut through the countryside and he had a number of factors working against him that make the feat even more impressive. Galan didn't use any of those powers on Ban so I don't know why you'd bring it up.

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#9 Posted by FlashingSabre (3823 posts) - - Show Bio

Assuming Ban can't kill him with Fox Hunt (Since it's a physically damaging TK attack, and Luffy's body can stretch to mitigate the pulling force of it), Luffy will eventually win when Ban uses Physical Hunt to try and win and exhausts himself, since Luffy is tough enough to survive his blunt force strikes.

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#10 Posted by NeonGameWave (19333 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy eventually.

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#11 Posted by DeathHero61 (18686 posts) - - Show Bio

If luffy is bloodlusted, then he starts off with Gear 4th. Once that happens Ban won't have a way to take him down at that point, not even in the slightest. Gear 4th has too much raw power for Ban to just take it and heal from. If this was morals on, this fight would have a far more balanced and winnable outcome. Luffy with Gear 4th is a lot more powerful than Galan. And Ban had to use hunterfest to take energy from several combatants in the area, including merascylla, and Galan, in order to even the odds between himself and the commandments. Ban isn't winning this. King? Meliodas? Escanor? sure. But Ban has legit no options for taking him down, the biggest selling point of ban is his piercing potency, and that won't work out well because Donflamingo, someone who has legit better feats than Ban in that regard, couldn't do anything to Gear 4th Luffy (admittedly, he was weakened but you get the point)

@highaccuser: Ban has never been incapacitated due to damage.not once.He was only down because physical hunt temporarily paralyses his body.That why Hawk was carrying him around

Galan was smacking him around and he got up everytime within seconds.

And base Galan is in the same ballpark as G4 Luffy.

Galan cut him in half. If he decided to go for a legit punch to his general area, he wouldn't have regenerated so easily. We've seen that when Ban gets his entire body destroyed it takes him a lot longer to regenerate.

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#12 Posted by GXrevs06 (4410 posts) - - Show Bio

If luffy is bloodlusted, then he starts off with Gear 4th. Once that happens Ban won't have a way to take him down at that point, not even in the slightest. Gear 4th has too much raw power for Ban to just take it and heal from. If this was morals on, this fight would have a far more balanced and winnable outcome. Luffy with Gear 4th is a lot more powerful than Galan. And Ban had to use hunterfest to take energy from several combatants in the area, including merascylla, and Galan, in order to even the odds between himself and the commandments. Ban isn't winning this. King? Meliodas? Escanor? sure. But Ban has legit no options for taking him down, the biggest selling point of ban is his piercing potency, and that won't work out well because Donflamingo, someone who has legit better feats than Ban in that regard, couldn't do anything to Gear 4th Luffy (admittedly, he was weakened but you get the point)

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@highaccuser: Ban has never been incapacitated due to damage.not once.He was only down because physical hunt temporarily paralyses his body.That why Hawk was carrying him around

Galan was smacking him around and he got up everytime within seconds.

And base Galan is in the same ballpark as G4 Luffy.

Galan cut him in half. If he decided to go for a legit punch to his general area, he wouldn't have regenerated so easily. We've seen that when Ban gets his entire body destroyed it takes him a lot longer to regenerate.

Nice response. What if I added an additional round and have Ban start with Meliodas' strength. Does it make any difference

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#13 Posted by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: That's a nlf.The best his haki has shown to defend is attacks from Doffy who is below both base Galan and Hunter fest Ban.Cracker then proceeds to cut through Luffy's haki.Does Cracker have any cutting feats above Galan's critical strike?I don't think so.

He's not beating base Galan.Sure his KKG is more impressive than critical strike,but that isn't going to help if he gets his soul stolen.I brought them up because you stated that G4 Luffy is stronger than Galan.

Assuming Ban can't kill him with Fox Hunt (Since it's a physically damaging TK attack, and Luffy's body can stretch to mitigate the pulling force of it), Luffy will eventually win when Ban uses Physical Hunt to try and win and exhausts himself, since Luffy is tough enough to survive his blunt force strikes.

Luffy isn't resisting a Fox hunt unless he has island level durability which he doesn't.Fox hunt interacts with your internal organs and Luffy's organs don't have a single durability feat lmao.Also Ban has multiple cutting based attacks.examples are Banishing Kill and Assault hunt.

G4 also has a time limit.G4 strains his body much more than Hunter fest does to Ban's.You also have to consider Luffy won't be fighting at full strength since Ban would have stolen a massive amount of Luffy's strength.So the will basically be a incredibly weak version of G4 vs full powered Hunter Fest Ban.

Ban takes this imo

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#14 Edited by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: He regened seconds after he got his body blown away.

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#15 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban eventually will drain him completely and kill him easily, luffy can't putt him down.

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#16 Posted by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

Most people are ignoring Luffy's shit stamina while he's in G4.Hunter fest just makes it even worse.The speed at which he'll run out of stamina will be insanely faster than how he did against Doffy and Cracker.

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#17 Edited by FlashingSabre (3823 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock: First of all, the only Sins characters with above Mountain Range durability feats are Escanor and maybe Estarossa, with Meliodas and Zeldris likely being on that level due to scaling.

Second, the strongest person who has been successfully Snatched or Fox Hunted was Merascylla, who doesn't have mountain level durability unless you try and scale based on power level, which doesn't work, since power level and durability have nothing to do with each other, as has been shown several times. Considering Snatch failed against Gray Demon Hendrickson, who has no durability feats above mountain level, there is no reason to assume Snatch would work on any one with similar or greater blunt force durability, such as Luffy.

Snatch works by pulling on the target with telekinetic force. Luffy's rubber organs would obviously be resistant to this, since they would stretch with the pulling force. Snatch obviously doesn't work on people above mountain level physical durability, or else Ban would have been spamming it for the entire arc.

None of Ban's cutting attacks have feats above what Doffy's strings could do, so there's no reason to assume they would cut through Luffy's Armament.

G4 lasts far longer than Physical Hunt. Ban's never maintained Physical Hunt for more than a few minutes, whereas Luffy held G4 for over a half-hour against Dolfamingo, and even longer against Cracker.

Most of Luffy's striking power comes from the momentum and force created from stretching, compressing, and releasing his rubber muscles. Ban's strength stealing wouldn't affect that at all. All of Luffy's named attacks would hit with more or less the same force.

Luffy hard counters all of Ban's techniques.

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#18 Posted by DeathHero61 (18686 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: He regened seconds after he got his body blown away.

This attack aimed only for his head, making it easer for him to regenerate instantly....
This attack aimed only for his head, making it easer for him to regenerate instantly....
This one took him several panels, and when he finally regenerated he got bodied again.
This one took him several panels, and when he finally regenerated he got bodied again.
Same for this one.
Same for this one.

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#19 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock: First of all, the only Sins characters with above Mountain Range durability feats are Escanor and maybe Estarossa, with Meliodas and Zeldris likely being on that level due to scaling.

someone is forgetting mel 30000 meters deep hole? ora galan destroying cities just moving his hands and then destroying multiple mountains after hitting Escanor, Escanor evaporating a lake and the list go on...

Second, the strongest person who has been successfully Snatched or Fox Hunted was Merascylla, who doesn't have mountain level durability unless you try and scale based on power level, which doesn't work, since power level and durability have nothing to do with each other, as has been shown several times. Considering Snatch failed against Gray Demon Hendrickson, who has no durability feats above mountain level, there is no reason to assume Snatch would work on any one with similar or greater blunt force durability, such as Luffy.

snatch failed with handy but he is the same who could tank all of the holy knights attacks plus nnt.

Luffy is nowhere near mountain level durability if the attack isn't blunt force, also ban easily snatched galan hearts. The reason it didn't work against estarossa because of his commandment.

Snatch works by pulling on the target with telekinetic force. Luffy's rubber organs would obviously be resistant to this, since they would stretch with the pulling force. Snatch obviously doesn't work on people above mountain level physical durability, or else Ban would have been spamming it for the entire arc.

it worked on stronger people than luffy and liffy isn't mountain level in durability.

None of Ban's cutting attacks have feats above what Doffy's strings could do, so there's no reason to assume they would cut through Luffy's Armament.

G4 lasts far longer than Physical Hunt. Ban's never maintained Physical Hunt for more than a few minutes, whereas Luffy held G4 for over a half-hour against Dolfamingo, and even longer against Cracker.

Most of Luffy's striking power comes from the momentum and force created from stretching, compressing, and releasing his rubber muscles. Ban's strength stealing wouldn't affect that at all. All of Luffy's named attacks would hit with more or less the same force.

Luffy hard counters all of Ban's techniques.

it would kill his momentum and luffy couldn't really move...

Ban is straight up immortal and has been incapacitated only after being pulverized and only for a couple minutes at best.

Ban counter hard luffy because he really doesn't have the stamina to keep up with un immortal that steal stats while fighting.

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#20 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashingsabre: also going in gear four isn't instantaneous and need you enemi to just look at you on the other hand almost all of ban abilities are incredibly fast.

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#21 Posted by Blackice709 (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

ban

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#22 Posted by FlashingSabre (3823 posts) - - Show Bio

@kamishini: None of those are durability feats.

Snatch is physical damage. Luffy's durability applies to it.

Yes he is. The only physical attacks that have phased him are Kizaru's lightspeed kick and Garp's punches.

You're just wrong here. You clearly don't understand how Luffy's powers work.

Luffy has far better stamina than Ban does. You're just blatantly wrong here.

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#23 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2187 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy asks Ban to join his Nakama because his sweet leather pants

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#24 Edited by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61:non are eclipsing 30 seconds.

Hendy blew his upper half off,then a few seconds after,the Sins get sent fly.Ban included.

This is the sequence of the third pic.

Dale erases Ban's upper half,King tries to attack Dale,but is distracted by Mel.Dale spits on King,Ban regens and punch Mel in the face.It's a few seconds at best.

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@shadowshock: First of all, the only Sins characters with above Mountain Range durability feats are Escanor and maybe Estarossa, with Meliodas and Zeldris likely being on that level due to scaling.

Second, the strongest person who has been successfully Snatched or Fox Hunted was Merascylla, who doesn't have mountain level durability unless you try and scale based on power level, which doesn't work, since power level and durability have nothing to do with each other, as has been shown several times. Considering Snatch failed against Gray Demon Hendrickson, who has no durability feats above mountain level, there is no reason to assume Snatch would work on any one with similar or greater blunt force durability, such as Luffy.

Snatch works by pulling on the target with telekinetic force. Luffy's rubber organs would obviously be resistant to this, since they would stretch with the pulling force. Snatch obviously doesn't work on people above mountain level physical durability, or else Ban would have been spamming it for the entire arc.

None of Ban's cutting attacks have feats above what Doffy's strings could do, so there's no reason to assume they would cut through Luffy's Armament.

G4 lasts far longer than Physical Hunt. Ban's never maintained Physical Hunt for more than a few minutes, whereas Luffy held G4 for over a half-hour against Dolfamingo, and even longer against Cracker.

Most of Luffy's striking power comes from the momentum and force created from stretching, compressing, and releasing his rubber muscles. Ban's strength stealing wouldn't affect that at all. All of Luffy's named attacks would hit with more or less the same force.

Luffy hard counters all of Ban's techniques.

There are multiple island level characters that you failed to mention.Critical Over Galan destroyed multiple mountains with a casual swing.That should easily put in the island level range.King has an equal powerlevel to Critical Over Galan.Even tho King's featless,he should get the scaling.Gloxinia's Vasquez nuke dwarfed a mountain while being miles away from said mountain.Dolor's Giga fall sent quakes from Vaizel to Liones in seconds.The distance between Vaizel and Liones is atleast 100 miles.Monspiet vaped a chunk of a mountain with next to no magic power.Now imagine what could do at fullpower.His Indura speaks for itself.Derriere crippled Mel's arm.The version of Mel she murked had tank a Vasquez nuke,a Giga fall and the Danafor rage blast with literally no damage.She's easily island level and further amp herself with Indura.Ludoshel survive an onslaught from an Indura with only a busted lip,lmfao.Also Ludushel>Estarossa.Sariel and Tarmiel are individually above 8 of the 10 commandment,so they get the scaling.

To say that only 4 Nnt characters are island level is funny.

lel casually took Galan's heart out

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G4 Luffy's durability at the most is mountain level.Fox hunt would oneshot.

What nonsense are you spouting?Hunter fest literally steals your stats.It doesn't matter what your body is made of.Galan is a walking armor ffs and got his stats stolen.He'd steal Luffy's stats with no problem.Unless you have a panel with Luffy resisting someone stealing his stats or it being stated that Ban can't steal stats from rubber people,then Hunter fest will work fine.

Luffy was weezing after two Kong guns against Cracker.Ban on the other hand was giving Galan a beatdown for an entire chapter straight without the slight hint of exhaustion.

Luffy has no versatility or hax.Luffy's a brawler,so Ban is his worst match up.

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#25 Edited by Sy8000 (35076 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock:

@highaccuser: That's a nlf.The best his haki has shown to defend is attacks from Doffy who is below both base Galan and Hunter fest Ban.

Not sure you understand what Haki does or what I meant. It defends him from cutting attacks and Doffy's are far beyond Ban's. Hunter Fest isn't damage output it's just stat draining which Luffy would easily overcome by being too powerful in general and also boosting his own stats.

Cracker then proceeds to cut through Luffy's haki.Does Cracker have any cutting feats above Galan's critical strike?I don't think so.

Cutting Luffy is Cracker's cutting feat. It makes his output superior to Doffy which is in turn on par with Galan.

He's not beating base Galan.Sure his KKG is more impressive than critical strike,but that isn't going to help if he gets his soul stolen.I brought them up because you stated that G4 Luffy is stronger than Galan.

Galan's not fast enough to hit him and steal his soul and he wouldn't start with that in character anyway. Gear 4 Luffy stomps Galan.

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#26 Posted by FlashingSabre (3823 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock: All of that is vague scaling and speculation. We don't take that seriously here.

Ooh, I forgot about that. Still isn't enough to say it would work on Luffy, though.

And you're ignoring the mechanics of Luffy's abilities because it destroys you're argument. The force of Luffy's attacks comes from the stretching and compression of his rubber body, not the force exerted by his muscles. Therefore, Physical Hunt won't seriously affect his damage output.

Galan is wearing armor. He isn't a suit of armor.

You're argument is fundamentally flawed, and you're clearly downplaying Luffy.

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#27 Posted by DeathHero61 (18686 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: Don't, that defeats the original purpose of the thread.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashingsabre: yes because in mel case fraudin survived and thats miles above mountain level, escanor literally tanken an attack that destroyed multiple mountains, estarossa fight with escanor proves they are league above mountain level even when not at full power.

Light speed kick that it's block to city level and can be seen by fodder and garp punches are not mountain level maybe in his prime with a lot of them he could destroy some, and again thats blunt force neither tk or cutting attack.

Luffy may have more stamina in base or g2 and g3 but in g4 no way. If ban steal all his strength and he can't move being made of rubber and using its properties its usless.

Like I said luffy cant put him down and will get tired while ban can just regenerate all the damage he do easily.

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#29 Posted by FlashingSabre (3823 posts) - - Show Bio

@kamishini: I agree on Escanor and Estarossa. With Fraudrin, we have no idea how he survived, and considering Dreyfus was punching holes in him he probably didn't tank it head on.

Snatch uses physical force. It applies.

The force of their strikes is debatable. I just don't see Snatch being the easy win some people assume it is.

Luffy's G4 fights against Doffy and Cracker lasted longer than any use of Ban's Physical Hunt. That's a straight fact.

By showings, Ban will gets tired after going full strength faster than Luffy.

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#30 Posted by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser:You made haki sound like it makes Luffy immune to attacks in general,which is in nlf territory.

Refresh my memory and tell what's Doffy best cutting feat?

Hunter fest Ban>Galan>=Doffy>base Ban.

He has more than enough speed to touch G4 Luffy.And one touch is all he needs.If he's bloodlusted he'll do it.

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#31 Edited by savythegawd (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: meliodas is definitely weaker than luffy, gear 4 luffy destroyed dressrosa with his king kong gun. dressrosa is a island so luffy would be classified as an island buster which the wikis supports. I've only seen mountain busts from meliodas and island>mountain

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#32 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

@kamishini: I agree on Escanor and Estarossa. With Fraudrin, we have no idea how he survived, and considering Dreyfus was punching holes in him he probably didn't tank it head on.

I can agree with you but you have to consider that the commandments we have seen aren't at full power.

Snatch uses physical force. It applies.

Physical not blunt force.

The force of their strikes is debatable. I just don't see Snatch being the easy win some people assume it is.

Not an easy win but he can use it hust to injure him and cause a blood loss or maybe taking a limb

Luffy's G4 fights against Doffy and Cracker lasted longer than any use of Ban's Physical Hunt. That's a straight fact.

The fact is that ban doesn't need to use physical hunt from the start thanks to his immortality but if luffy has all of his stats drained including stamina his g4 wouldn't last too much.

By showings, Ban will gets tired after going full strength faster than Luffy.

Yes but he can probably kill luffy before because luffy wil get drained not only by Ban but from g4 too.

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#33 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

@savythegawd: he didn't destroy an island, he folded the city, what make it really impressive is that he was able to do it after defeating doffy attacks and smashing him.

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#34 Posted by FlashingSabre (3823 posts) - - Show Bio

@kamishini: Well, Fraudrin has been out for over 16 years already. I can't see why he wouldn't be full stocked up on souls.

Trying to take Luffy's arms wouldn't really work. His arms would juts stretch out toward Ban. Snatch pulls the target. It doesn't automatically sever it from whatever its attached to. That's why I don't think it will work on Luffy. His body parts would just stretch as Ban pulls them. Sorry if I haven't been clear on that.

Well, Luffy wouldn't need G4 unless Ban started Physical Hunting. Ban doesn't outclass him so much that Luffy would feel pressured to go all out. It would take a while for either of them to get serious.

Stat stealing and physical strain aren't the same thing. They wouldn't stack. I feel like Luffy could handle it, considering his insane endurance.

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#35 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio

@kamishini: Well, Fraudrin has been out for over 16 years already. I can't see why he wouldn't be full stocked up on souls.

Maybe but we don't really know and probably never will.

Trying to take Luffy's arms wouldn't really work. His arms would juts stretch out toward Ban. Snatch pulls the target. It doesn't automatically sever it from whatever its attached to. That's why I don't think it will work on Luffy. His body parts would just stretch as Ban pulls them. Sorry if I haven't been clear on that.

I understand but I may be wrong but when he used it against mel and the galan it kinda bypassed durability and cut them before they could realise it.

Well, Luffy wouldn't need G4 unless Ban started Physical Hunting. Ban doesn't outclass him so much that Luffy would feel pressured to go all out. It would take a while for either of them to get serious.

He wouldn't use it normally but they are bloodlusted so the first thing they would do is trying to kill their opponent with a killer move, and here ban has the advantage because his technique are thought to kill his opponents or severely injure them in the fastest way possible.

Stat stealing and physical strain aren't the same thing. They wouldn't stack. I feel like Luffy could handle it, considering his insane endurance.

IIRC it was stated that he drained stamina too I'm going to search for the scan.

Luffy can win but he isn't skilled enough or strong enough to incapacitate an stat stealing immortal.

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#36 Posted by deactivated-59b71d5620272 (3438 posts) - - Show Bio
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#37 Edited by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@savythegawd:lmfao current Mel can hang with the Admirals and he isn't even at his strongest yet.He'd oneshot and solo the entire Strawhat pirates crew.Wiping Danafor of the face of the map>>>KKG.

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@shadowshock: All of that is vague scaling and speculation. We don't take that seriously here.

Ooh, I forgot about that. Still isn't enough to say it would work on Luffy, though.

And you're ignoring the mechanics of Luffy's abilities because it destroys you're argument. The force of Luffy's attacks comes from the stretching and compression of his rubber body, not the force exerted by his muscles. Therefore, Physical Hunt won't seriously affect his damage output.

Galan is wearing armor. He isn't a suit of armor.

You're argument is fundamentally flawed, and you're clearly downplaying Luffy.

I legit provided you with feats that put them far above mountain level and you say it's all speculation?You're in denial.Rofl! Nice downplay

>G4Luffy has mountain level durability

>Ban rip of the heart of a mountain level character

>You say it wouldn't do anything

Blatant denial.

Nice downplay

You can't use your fanfics to support your basis.I need panels mate.Show me panels or a statement from the author.You're the only one speculating here.Hunter fest works on any being within a 100 meters.It doesn't matter what you are or what your bilogical make up is.It simply takes your stats away from you.Nothing more,nothing less.I already asked you to show me a panel that explains how strenching and compressing stops Lffy from getting his stats stolen.

You clearly don't have a clue on Nnt characters and their feats.If you'd bother to do a little research,you'd know Galan is the goddamn armor.There isn't any one inside it.Read his wiki and you'll know that he a walking,talking,green suit of armor.Geez

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#38 Posted by savythegawd (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock: i looked up his feats and meliodas is indeed a island buster like luffy but he isn't on admiral levels. I'll give him his respect its a closer fight than i originally thought. Both are in the same ball park in speed and strength. and the whole part about him not being at full power yet is irrelevant cuz luffy's story is far from over as well. From the research i did the fight can go either way, they can't speed blitz one or the other and definitely can't outmuscle each other.

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#40 Posted by HigherPower (12190 posts) - - Show Bio

G4 Luffy has demonstrated more raw physical strength than current Meliodas himself. Meliodas, after just regaining his powers, blitzed and curbstomped Galan.

Ban struggled to steal Galan's entire strength reserves and his limits capped, even with Hunter Festival he won't be able to drain someone like Luffy. So Physical Hunt and Hunter Festival are out of commission, and he can't use Zero sign and the like.

Luffy can just blow him to pieces and win via incap. Ban actually has a chance with Fox Hunt though, I don't see anything stopping Ban from ripping Luffy's heart out besides possibly speed + precog

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#41 Edited by JinzouSeiya (189 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol.

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#42 Posted by Cosmic_Lantern (5668 posts) - - Show Bio

I see no reason why Ban won't Hax him off the bat especially bloodlusted.

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#43 Posted by ValorKnight (12221 posts) - - Show Bio

Bloodlusted Ban stomps with hax and his already impressive base physical strength and speed

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#44 Posted by Just_Banter (12354 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban isn't being put down for any extended period by G4 before the time limit ends. Though, depending on what you consider "incap," Luffy could take it. Ban can heal from having the top half of his body implode within a couple seconds, but he was technically incapped for those few seconds.

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5ac4e862bd47b (3700 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy with G4 takes it.

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#46 Edited by GXrevs06 (4410 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashingsabre said:

@shadowshock: Most of Luffy's striking power comes from the momentum and force created from stretching, compressing, and releasing his rubber muscles. Ban's strength stealing wouldn't affect that at all. All of Luffy's named attacks would hit with more or less the same force.

Luffy hard counters all of Ban's techniques.

tbf, Luffy has superhuman strength even when his not using his gum gum abilities. In fact, a lot non-devil fruit humans in the OPverse seem to have innate superhuman strength. Zoro was strong enough to lift half a building in alabasta and he doesn't have any devil fruit powers. Another example is Sanji, who can easily kicked through concrete structures and one shot multi-ton bananagators

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#47 Posted by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@savythegawd: pre-revival Mel did the island level attack and he's far weaker than current Mel.So current Mel is atleast on par with the Admirals.

This version of Mel is more than enough to beat Luffy.Mel has tanked attacks with similar output to KKG like Gloxinia's Vasquez nuke with no damage.He has superior speed(not enough to blitz tho),Revenge counter(even tho he'd beat Luffy without it),hellblaze and his Pillar of Darkness.

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G4 Luffy has demonstrated more raw physical strength than current Meliodas himself. Meliodas, after just regaining his powers, blitzed and curbstomped Galan.

Ban struggled to steal Galan's entire strength reserves and his limits capped, even with Hunter Festival he won't be able to drain someone like Luffy. So Physical Hunt and Hunter Festival are out of commission, and he can't use Zero sign and the like.

Luffy can just blow him to pieces and win via incap. Ban actually has a chance with Fox Hunt though, I don't see anything stopping Ban from ripping Luffy's heart out besides possibly speed + precog

Nope.Ban stole strength from every Commandment while he was trying to save Mel,so he'd have no problem stealing Luffy's stats.In character he won't use Zero Sign right off the bat.But he's bloodlusted in this match,so he'll use it.Ban has had his body blown up multiple times and always regened within seconds,so i don't see how Luffy can incap him.

Not really.If anything Mel's physical strength is far more impressive than Luffy's,i.e if we're talking about potency and not aoe.Fraudrin survived Mel's pillar of darkness but couldn't survive a casual uppercut from current Mel.So Mel's casual uppercut is more potent than his Pillar of Darkness attack.

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#48 Posted by God_Spawn (42994 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the whole point of Ban's snatch ability was to bypass durability depending on the technique used? His snatch he used on Hendrickson just seemed to be the basic one and IIRC it did manage to dislocate his arm. Granted he didn't use Fox Hunt on him. But didn't he also manage to rob one of the ten commandments of 5 of their hearts? So I don't see how Luffy resist it. I'm only watching the anime with some look ups here and there so correct me if I'm wrong.

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#49 Posted by Sy8000 (35076 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the whole point of Ban's snatch ability was to bypass durability depending on the technique used? His snatch he used on Hendrickson just seemed to be the basic one and IIRC it did manage to dislocate his arm. Granted he didn't use Fox Hunt on him. But didn't he also manage to rob one of the ten commandments of 5 of their hearts? So I don't see how Luffy resist it. I'm only watching the anime with some look ups here and there so correct me if I'm wrong.

Snatch is just a ranged way to remove body parts. It still has to bypass external durability to pierce the target and Luffy has better piercing resistance feats via Haki than anyone in the verse.

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