Baldur ( GoW ) vs Vamp ( MGS 4 )

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2 of the strongest immortals of their universe.

Round 1: Vamp is injected by nanomachines and Baldur was hit by mistletoe.

Round 2: Both are at their peak.

Who wins?

@tparks

This is an amazing matchup you have to see. These guys are so similar.

Both come from a game where the MC is an old man

Both were immortal or unkillable at first

Both had something injected to them which stopped them from being immortal

Both came from 10/10 ign games

Both came from the 4th game of their series

Both are amazing villains IMO

MGS

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GOW

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Baldur stomps

Baldur was able to hurt Jormungandr, a snake the size of whole islands, by hitting it. He possesses strength far beyond Vamp's capabilities.

Round 1, Baldur stomps. He still possesses stamina far beyond what Vamp can handle as he was able to go toe-to-toe with Kratos and Atreus and handle himself well.

Round 2, I see no reason Baldur shouldn't stomp. Vamp's immortality is granted to him via technology and is essentially an uncontrollable healing factor. Baldur is literally immune to all forms of damage via a magical spell. Vamp's 'immortality' will give out far before Baldur's does.

Good match up. My money is on Baldur.

@bigdumbsmartguy: havent seen you in a while

Baldur was able to hurt Jormungandr, a snake the size of whole islands, by hitting it. He possesses strength far beyond Vamp's capabilities.

Raiden was able to create a large dent on Outer Haven, practically the size of the Snake. And when he was standing on top of Vamp and hitting him straight in the chest he couldn't go down.

Round 1, Baldur stomps. He still possesses stamina far beyond what Vamp can handle as he was able to go toe-to-toe with Kratos and Atreus and handle himself well.

Vamp could go on while putting a knife through his chest and getting it from the back and still keep going. Actually even after he was stabbed many times he healed right back and kept going at peak condition. Vamp is equally as good in stamina.

Round 2, I see no reason Baldur shouldn't stomp. Vamp's immortality is granted to him via technology and is essentially an uncontrollable healing factor. Baldur is literally immune to all forms of damage via a magical spell. Vamp's 'immortality' will give out far before Baldur's does.

What different does it make. Both by feats were equally as unkillable. The best Baldur recovered from was when his neck got snapped. The best Vamp recovered from was a bullet to the head straight to his brain. Note he even dislocated his neck to dodge a blade.

@red_ruby_petal: Took a break.

Raiden was able to create a large dent on Outer Haven, practically the size of the Snake. And when he was standing on top of Vamp and hitting him straight in the chest he couldn't go down.

Outer Haven wasn't even close to the size of Jormungandr. Maybe it's the size of Jormungandr's head and neck; that's about it.

Vamp could go on while putting a knife through his chest and getting it from the back and still keep going. Actually even after he was stabbed many times he healed right back and kept going at peak condition. Vamp is equally as good in stamina.

Not even close to the punishment Baldur sustained while outside the influence of the spell. He fought Kratos in an extended battle, the man who fought and killed the entirety of the Greek pantheon, who all have feats of their own. Just in GoW4 Kratos was strong enough to flip Tyr's temple as well as fight the strength of a giant the size of a mountain. He was hitting Baldur with everything he had and Baldur wasn't even flinching.

What different does it make. Both by feats were equally as unkillable. The best Baldur recovered from was when his neck got snapped. The best Vamp recovered from was a bullet to the head straight to his brain. Note he even dislocated his neck to dodge a blade.

Baldur's immortality has demonstrated an immunity to a greater number of threats. Chopping him up, beating him senseless, breaking his neck, setting him on fire, freezing him, even drowning has no effect. This combined with his combat prowess and his strength advantage ensures that any fight that does happen between them is going to be entirely one-sided in Baldur's favor. Baldur has a higher chance of finding a way to put Vamp down for good than Vamp has of killing Baldur.

@bigdumbsmartguy:

Outer Haven wasn't even close to the size of Jormungandr. Maybe it's the size of Jormungandr's head and neck; that's about it.

The neck and the head is the one place he is mostly likely to attack. We don't know how he attacked either. Maybe he might have hit some weakpoints which bothered the Snake. In fact we didn't see if he suffered any damage at all from Baldur.

Not even close to the punishment Baldur sustained while outside the influence of the spell. He fought Kratos in an extended battle, the man who fought and killed the entirety of the Greek pantheon, who all have feats of their own. Just in GoW4 Kratos was strong enough to flip Tyr's temple as well as fight the strength of a giant the size of a mountain. He was hitting Baldur with everything he had and Baldur wasn't even flinching.

The Outer Haven feat was probably a lot better than anything Kratos pulled off, especially since it was still thrusting to crush Snake. None of Kratos' biggest lifting feats had anything fight against him. GoW 4 Kratos is also inferior to a significant degree.

Baldur's immortality has demonstrated an immunity to a greater number of threats. Chopping him up, beating him senseless, breaking his neck, setting him on fire, freezing him, even drowning has no effect. This combined with his combat prowess and his strength advantage ensures that any fight that does happen between them is going to be entirely one-sided in Baldur's favor. Baldur has a higher chance of finding a way to put Vamp down for good than Vamp has of killing Baldur.

He was never given a wound deep enough to be considered severe and breaking a neck is something Vamp already did under his own will. Vamp was stabbed straight to the gut twice. Thats better cutting endurance Baldur has yet to even display. Other forms of beating him down isn't something Vamp possesses or needs. His H/F knives would be enough.

Might I consider Vamp has the speed and precog advantage.

@the_red_viper

may I hear your opinion in the battle.

@blackwizzard17:

Baldur took hits from the Levi axe with no problem, even so he can heal from cutting attacks which won't do much regardless. Nothing Vamp has can put Balder down not to mention he is WAY faster than Vamp.

I would like to hear your reasoning as to why he is faster than Vamp. Also consider he cut down Raiden who has way better damage soak and durability than both Baldur and Kratos. They were pretty weak to cutting damage which Vamp is more than capable of doing.

@red_ruby_petal: I haven’t played GoW 4, but it looks like it would be an epic fight.

@tparks: Definitely. These guys were so similar I had to do it and they have different advantages over each other.

Vamp is faster and has precog

Baldur is stronger and more powerful

Both have intense regenerative abilities.

@red_ruby_petal: Ummm tell me what stabbing would do again?

His speed is quick burst from close to far.

Yeah and he can heal himself instantly. So Vamp can't physically hurt Baldur, Stabbing him won't do anything since he can't feel it, will punch vamps head off and recover just fine. What argument do you ave for this?

@blackwizzard17:

Ummm tell me what stabbing would do again?

Vamps blades are gonna do more than Atreus' arrows, these blades were cutting Gekkos easily as well as Raiden, both were practically bullet proof. In fact those arrows penetrated him easily, so no reason to think Vamp couldn't do much more.

His speed is quick burst from close to far.

Yeah and he can heal himself instantly. So Vamp can't physically hurt Baldur, Stabbing him won't do anything since he can't feel it, will punch vamps head off and recover just fine. What argument do you ave for this?

Not being able to feel pain isn't helpful, same goes to Vamp who purposely impaled himself with a knife and grabbed it from the other side, instantly healing as well. So if that is your argument for Baldur same goes for Vamp. You failed to address how can he deal with Vamp's knives because before he realizes it ( since he wouldn't feel pain until later in the game or he just doesn't care ), his limbs are already left dangling. Bullets move much faster than Baldur and Vamp danced around them. Its clear theres a speed gap, a massive one too. He was able to blitz Raiden and he had better reactions than Baldur ever has. Hell he even disappeared out of plane sight from casual bullet timers.

@blackwizzard17:

The thing is, what more could he possibly do? You failed to address the fact that blue got gutted by the blade of chaos and impaled by the Levi axe and is still able to recover just fine. Vamp cant do anything special to put down Baldur.

The H/F blade has better cutting feats than the blades of chaos and the leviathan axe and he is going to get way more hits onto Baldur than Kratos would. It cut easy on guys who are bulletproof, its going to cut down Baldur even easier.

Kratos who is physically stronger than Vamp didnt chop off Baldurs limb with his axe. In fact Baldur creates shockwaves from his punches showing just how fast he is. He outclass vamp in speed, killing someone who is a bullet timer by sneaking around isnt impressive.

Shockwaves don't always indicate raw strength and speed. Volgin has better striking feats like going straight through metal gear armor but he didn't need to create a shockwave. In fact more often than not Baldur and Kratos kinda fail to break the stone they are clashing on. Also Raiden is stronger than both and he couldn't overpower Vamp.

Baldur has better healing and cant actually die by vamps hand, better physicals, better speed. He also has light, fire and ice abilities giving him an overwhelming advantage in combat.

I explained why Vamp has better healing and no you don't have proof Baldur is faster, in fact he definitely isn't by a longshot.

Thats clearly not IGN, both games featured "too much water" in certain scenes.

7/10 for both because apparently thats the lowest score IGN can give on average.

@blackwizzard17:

So? He isnt going down you forget his immortality is far greater than vamps. Vamp hasn't taken any type of punishment compared to Baldur. If you think he will get to cut down Baldur as well than you're mistaken and haven't provided any speed feats to suggest he wont get bullrushed.

No I am not mistaken, arrows cut him easily. Baldur's piercing resistance is sht. Arrows got him easy and featwise Vamp can keep going with more fatal wounds, such as dislocating his own neck, getting a sword straight through him twice and a knife through his chest taking it from his back. Vamp has better endurance.

He didnt create shockwaves, Baldur did as an indication of speed. Failed to break stone? Kratos punches off chunks of stone, Kratos and Baldur pushed apart the landscape, Baldur casually throws and breaks off large chunks of stone what's your point? Baldur knocked down Jormungandr's who you dont seem to get is extremely big. Raiden is way WAY weaker than both Kratos and Baldur.

They took time to chip away stone, something Volgin could do a single punch. I was just indicating that shockwaves don't always gauge how powerful you punch. Lifting strength Raiden is already superior. Outer Haven is bigger and heavier and casually breakdancing with gekkos tied to your legs is better than anything they achieved. I am aware he took down the World Serpent only we don't know how. It didn't seem to suffer any significant damage. Raiden took the full weight of Outer Haven and we saw that happen. Raiden is clearly stronger.

You actually have not. Just because he took some cutting attacks and bullet does not mean it's better. Baldur healed from a complete neck snap, multiple impalings, being completely smashed by larger objects etc.

Bullets are waaaay faster than Baldur. I don't see any proof Baldur can acheive that speed. I don't see if they can only bullet time. Baldur fails to dodge arrows and Vamp was faster than Snake and Raiden could see, 2 superhumans with better reflexes. Vamp has the clear speed advantage. If you think surviving a neck snap is so impressive look at Vamp dislocating his own neck.

@blackwizzard17:

Ok but Baldur has ACTUAL immortality compared to Vamps tech immortatiliy which will run out. Every impale is going to do nothing to Baldur, every fatal spot is going to just heal and every attack Baldur hits will send Vamp flying. Vamp has better endurance? No not even close.

You don't have proof that his tech immortality will run out and nobody in CV buys actual immortality. Its still questionable whether he can survive a decap or not.

What baldur smashing kratos into the gate of Jotunheim which was barely anything. Kratos (before Crazy strength GoW3) was able to flip a street block attached to a Giant monster. GoW3 Kratos was able to withstand a full clap from Cronos the titan. GoW4 kratos flipped Tyr's temple temple and it's still shown that Baldur is equal to Kratos and clearly above raiden.

Previous GoW Kratos incarnations are clearly stronger than the one in GoW 4. The one Baldur fought is in GoW 4. Tyr's temple also isn't as big as Outer Haven.

World serpent didnt suffer damage? Did you even play the game he clearly damaged it, it looked weak falling down and collapsed completely staying still eyes shut. It took Baldur three hits that looks like it shook his entire body.

I don't Baldur think would take 10 seconds for every hit. It came right back up in peak condition when Atreus called for it and I didn't see any wounds at all. To me it seemed it was trying to remain stable to not accidentally swallow Kratos and the gang, tiring out from holding them in while Baldur was doing, whatever he was doing, the process is questionable. Maybe Baldur kept hitting it in the head or temple which isn't all that impressive. We didn't actually see how he did it. Taking out some giant by hitting a critical point is something even Wander from SOTC can do.

Baldur

Baldur stomps.