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#51 Posted by vengefulshot (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph got really, really good at landing on airborne objects and sensing things like an airbender. She even tagged Aang. Azula is agile, but she will not be too agile for Toph to handle at all; it's her blue fire and lightning that will be the problem, but given how damn precise Toph got with her earthbending and how well honed her metalbending has become, this will be an even battle that could go either way.

She threw up a rock wall and Tommy gunned the rockwall in Aangs general direction. Lets not overhype it.

Anyway, for the bonus Toph comfortably, she's a huge problem on her own.

For the first round Azula in a close one.

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#52 Posted by RaimundoPedrosa (653 posts) - - Show Bio

@raimundopedrosa said:

Toph got really, really good at landing on airborne objects and sensing things like an airbender. She even tagged Aang. Azula is agile, but she will not be too agile for Toph to handle at all; it's her blue fire and lightning that will be the problem, but given how damn precise Toph got with her earthbending and how well honed her metalbending has become, this will be an even battle that could go either way.

She threw up a rock wall and Tommy gunned the rockwall in Aangs general direction. Lets not overhype it.

Anyway, for the bonus Toph comfortably, she's a huge problem on her own.

For the first round Azula in a close one.

Maybe. It'll be a damn good match no matter what happens. Too close to call. 50/50. Both got really good.

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#53 Posted by ANTHP2000 (24007 posts) - - Show Bio

This is still 50/50 imo.

Toph has a huge versatality, battlefield control and scale advantage. Azula has a huge mobility, speed and CQC advantage. They are pretty even in bending skill and potency but Toph easily takes the cake, firebending is not really as good as earthbending as much as it hurts me to contradict the views of our favourite creator statements (all elements are equal).

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#54 Edited by Itachus17 (3176 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus1:

First round wins clearly Azula, she has simply too many advantages(speed, agility, vertical combat) and is a pretty bad match up(explosive blasts, lightning, fire jets and fast attacks) for Toph.

Second round wins clearly Toph, her students have far better feats than the other Kemurikage so far and would pretty easily win against them.

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#55 Posted by ANTHP2000 (24007 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah, I didn't see that Azula has Kerumikage Spirirts in R2. They are far better than Toph's students... They could go toe to toe with named characters.

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#56 Edited by Itachus17 (3176 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000:

They are pretty even in bending skill and potency but Toph easily takes the cake, firebending is not really as good as earthbending as much as it hurts me to contradict the views of our favourite creator statements (all elements are equal).

I would agree that earthbending in general more versatility and better showings had, but i think it's regardless the worst element you can have against specifically Azula(due to her combination of abilities and general stats, rly good metalbending would i see as better against her).

Also is there still hope that the comics in the future or even a new series does the equal elements idea and especially fire finally justice, i mean it's no surprsise that fire drew the shorter strawman(hell Azula alone holds easily over 50% of the good firebending feats in the whole verse, which is absurd and shows the problem perfectly) in TLA but Korra was especially bad in that regard(and hyped earthbending on the other hand a lot with the sub-bending skills)

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#57 Posted by ANTHP2000 (24007 posts) - - Show Bio

@itachus17: I'm not sure if they need to give fire an upgrade (Azula is already as good as a bender can be due to her own abilities combined with master level firebending, I don't think we need more firebenders so good) but part of the reason they don't is well, how much versatility can they have? What environmental attacks do we want them to have? Fire appearing out of nowhere? This wouldn't be G-Rated unless they make these specific attacks non-lethal or something. What I think is that the creators think of it like "hey fire can be used anywhere that's practical so let's ignore driversity in abilities and call it a day". I mean, they wanted to make them equal in that sense, not in the sense that "in a neutral environment with the same stats and skill between a firebender and a different element bender the fight could go either way".

As for LoK and the comics, I personally think that it'd be nice to boost firebending somehow in the comics, but I'm glad LoK didn't do it. There were many things that needed to be advanced and introduced in this era including metalbending, lavabending, airbending and different styles of waterbending. We've had enough firebending in ATLA.

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#58 Edited by Itachus17 (3176 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000:

I'm not sure if they need to give fire an upgrade (Azula is already as good as a bender can be due to her own abilities combined with master level firebending, I don't think we need more firebenders so good) but part of the reason they don't is well, how much versatility can they have?

Yeah but Azula is just one exception, i would like to have all elements more balanced(so they should of course not just give fire bullshit like Yakone bloodbending, but more creativity would be nice).

Actually a lot already with fire, especially considering heat and lightningbending.

I would especially like some non combat abilities,like Energy reading. Considering Azula's obvious control over the intensity of her lightning could you possibly use that for medical reasons, probably not her but someone else could do that as example.

What environmental attacks do we want them to have? Fire appearing out of nowhere? This wouldn't be G-Rated unless they make these specific attacks non-lethal or something.

I would rly like to see non G-Rated bending XD, but not necessarily with that ability.

What I think is that the creators think of it like "hey fire can be used anywhere that's practical so let's ignore driversity in abilities and call it a day".

That sounds actually more like Shyamalan XD, i think it was more due to the plot(fire=bad guys and aggressive, and that they later even trid a bit with Zuko and especially Azula.)

I mean, they wanted to make them equal in that sense, not in the sense that "in a neutral environment with the same stats and skill between a firebender and a different element bender the fight could go either way".

Yeah well i actually don't just talk about fighting, and i guess it was not rly possible to fit it into the plot.

As for LoK and the comics, I personally think that it'd be nice to boost firebending somehow in the comics, but I'm glad LoK didn't do it. There were many things that needed to be advanced and introduced in this era including metalbending, lavabending, airbending and different styles of waterbending. We've had enough firebending in ATLA.

Hmmmm i don't would see the problem to let especially Korra use fire more creatively(i mean she used the same fire saw that Azula used just once for example, why not something rly new insted?), especially by using knowledge of the other elements. And i would have liked a bit more firebending(diversity) in Korra, especially cause they used their time often not too well for other things(cough silly love triangle cough).

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#59 Posted by XxdeathmakerxX (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

Jobzula loses

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#60 Edited by Itachus17 (3176 posts) - - Show Bio

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Jobzula loses

What the hell are you even talking about sane Azula jobbed exactly 2 times, Aang is the jobber of the Avatarverse not her.....

And how would Azula lose this, she is comparable in skill but has several advantages over Toph?

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#61 Posted by ANTHP2000 (24007 posts) - - Show Bio

@itachus17: You have a point there. But there's also P'Li for example.

Oh I agree that they should introduce a sub element for firebending. Combustionbending is very specialised, lightningbending is getting old and heatbending is lame. Plus, none of them are versatile.

Eh, fortunately, Avatar is one of these shows where villains don't get bs. That's why half the best benders are villains.

Yeah, but no one firebender in LoK is anywhere near as skilled as Azula of Zuko. They would need to introduce a new legit master to do these stuff.

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#62 Posted by Itachus17 (3176 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000:

You have a point there. But there's also P'Li for example.

Well P'Li isn't rly (just)a firebender to me, cause like you said it's not rly something others could do(a bit like the Sharingan of the Avatarverse, although that's probably Yakone bloodbending XD).

Oh I agree that they should introduce a sub element for firebending. Combustionbending is very specialised, lightningbending is getting old and heatbending is lame. Plus, none of them are versatile.

Would be pretty cool, but i would be already happy if they make heat and lightningbending more interessting and versatile.

Eh, fortunately, Avatar is one of these shows where villains don't get bs. That's why half the best benders are villains.

Do you mean bullshit, cause i would say Amon, Zaheer and Unalaq got something like that?

Yeah, but no one firebender in LoK is anywhere near as skilled as Azula of Zuko. They would need to introduce a new legit master to do these stuff.

That's true, but i still think Korra could have done at least a bit more(maybe just with AS state).

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#63 Posted by ANTHP2000 (24007 posts) - - Show Bio

@itachus17: True, but at least we can day there are a few good master firebenders.

Agreed. That's why it's so nice how Azula uses lightning in the comics. That light sphere for example was awesome.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, Amon and Unalaq lost due to push but as far as bending goes they're top notch. I'm not sure what plot was against Zaheer.

Yeah, but AS is more power than skill.

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#64 Edited by Itachus17 (3176 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000:

True, but at least we can day there are a few good master firebenders.

That's true.

Agreed. That's why it's so nice how Azula uses lightning in the comics. That light sphere for example was awesome.

Yeah i also like the zapp and AOE version :D.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, Amon and Unalaq lost due to push but as far as bending goes they're top notch. I'm not sure what plot was against Zaheer.

Ah sry i missunderstood you, i meant their powers(void for rookie Zaheer).

Yeah, but AS is more power than skill.

Well not in Aang's case, who also used the pretty cool gigantic fire arms in the finale.

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#65 Posted by ANTHP2000 (24007 posts) - - Show Bio

God my spelling is terrible on mobile.

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#66 Posted by geekryan (3467 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a tough one....I say both have an equal chance of winning but it will be a close fight.

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#67 Posted by vengefulshot (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

Azula beats Toph 1v1 and Toph wins the second round since her and her students have superior teamwork and synergy. Them co-ordinating to block AS attacks was impressive. The fact that said AS attack was firebending does nothing for Azula's chances in round 2.

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#68 Posted by RaimundoPedrosa (653 posts) - - Show Bio

Could go both ways.

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#69 Posted by Beta-56 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

Azula.

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#70 Edited by Laiks Stake (1201 posts) - - Show Bio

Azula's lightning bending is ridiculously good and powerful at this point, she wins 10/10.

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#71 Posted by vengefulshot (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph blocked a large explosion with a thin metal sheet in the latest comic. I think this deserves a bump.

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#72 Edited by hurricanefunnel (2052 posts) - - Show Bio

toph wins

earth [rock] counters fire, and lightning

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#73 Edited by Itachus17 (3176 posts) - - Show Bio

@hurricanefunnel said:

toph wins

earth [rock] counters fire, and lightning

Did you ever actually watch ATLA? Earth(rock) does shit:

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And the last one is still the best earthshield Toph ever created.

On topic: This got too early bumped, we should wait until the new trilogy is finished(Toph's metalbending feats are still below TLOK lvl in general). Azula has still too much firepower and is still to fast, agile and ruthless for Toph.

Azula still pretty solidly wins.

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#74 Posted by Crimson-Feather (78 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Azula, but it's relative close.

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#75 Posted by gunchar16 (1683 posts) - - Show Bio
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#77 Posted by Wrathofthebrad (816 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph's only chance is the bonus round, then again the Kemurikage weren't half bad so far.

Azula the main round and the bonus round could go either way.

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#78 Posted by Alsimmons77 (1527 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 Azula, bonus Toph and students cause they got better flashed out and showed more.