@justicethorpsylocke:
What?????
Constantly dodging P'Li and attacking back hoping to get a lucky shot in is a difficult proposition even if the Avatar was facing her alone. And here, P'Li won't be alone.
I understand that. It's simply the nature of her powers being very destructive and no one having knowledge of them. Putting someone of the defensive in a show such as Avatar is not even remotely special.
Tenzin was also put on the defensive by Equalist fodder. Aang was also put on the defensive by Zhao.
Would they fight move effectively? Perhaps. Would they win in a straight up fight? Not necessarily.
Aang wasn't put on defensive by Zhao, he simply chose not to counter-attack. And when was Tenzing put on defensive by equalist fodder? Mecha tanks don't count here.
But the point here is even multiple fodder acting in concert can give a master bender more than enough trouble. A couple of top-tier fighters acting together can actually take down a master.
Yes, Korra bends 2 elements together all the time. She wouldn't need to bend 3.
No, she doesn't. Less than 5% of her moves have her bending more than 1 element at a time. Can you list all the times she was bending 2 elements without the Avatar State? Bet you that number is less than 10.
They are literally the same person. They are both transmigrants of Wan. Do you think you wouldn't have great teamwork with yourself?
You can't have teamwork with yourself. You are just one bender limited to making one move at a time. Teamwork with multiple people gives the advantage of making multiple attacks and defenses simultaneously.
And what teamwork would the villains have? P'Li and Ming-Hua would, but they would just separate them, Kuvira and Azula wouldn't together at all with the rest of their team.
You can assume good teamwork on both sides, if it helps your case. But then, you'd have to assume Korra and Aang would fight together and come up with a winnable strategy. If they are separated and taking their enemies on their own, then that's not teamwork.
Aang was highly restricted by morals. Like I said Ming-Hua wouldn't be too much against him especially morals off, considering her main advantage over most opponents is agility and Aang can contend there for days.
And Korra was only struggling against Kuvira because of the location (inside the mech) where there was no earth for Korra yet tons of metal for Kuvira (her strong suit)
"Contending there for days" is the point. Given Aang's agility and speed, he should be able to dodge Ming's attacks indefinitely. But given Ming's agility and speed - which is on par with any airbender - she should also be able to dodge Aang's attacks. Which is why Aang would have plenty of trouble against her.
Korra was a metal bender herself and she had fire and air. So the excuse that she had limited element doesn't work.
You keep missing that I say morals off. I don't think that with the morals on portrayal in the show that either Aang/Korra would solo that team, but in a hypothetical morals off scenario where they are using their abilities to the fullest, they would.
I'm not missing it, I'm saying that its not that relevant. "Morals off" doesn't mean they suddenly become capable of using their abilities to the fullest, it means they won't hesitate to take a lethal shot or show mercy to a downed enemy. If Azula is a superior firebender to Aang with morals on, then she remains a superior firebender to aang with morals off. You keep acting as if morals off Aang would stop using earth-defenses, but using earth-defense has nothing to do with morality. Its about how confident he feels about that move and morals don't change that.
In both of these she's been highly pressured by people far below Avatars.
Mako was evading her easily and blow off her water arms, and once she got some new ones he evaded those easily until he could electrocute her.
Ming-Hua is a high tier but saying she can solo an Avatar is ridiculous.
Highly pressured? Did you even watch those fights. Kya was the one under pressure - only 1 attack of hers connected and even that was redirected back at her.
As for Mako - that's exactly what I've been saying all along. To beat Ming, you either need an environmental advantage (lack of water) or a weakness advantage (lightening) and the Avatars have neither. Ming Hua is easily a water-bending master - definitely above either avatar in terms of waterbending and maybe even above Pakku and Katara. I mean, have you ever seen anyone waterbend without moving their arms?
You know, I wonder if you've actually seen the fight between Korra and Desna/Eska.
You do realize that they never got a single hit on Korra and straight up stopped fighting because KORRA WAS TAKEN DOWN BY A FREAKING SPIRIT.
Desna and Eska never beat her, or even close. And you call them high tier waterbenders?
You need to watch that fight again. Korra got 1 hit in when she destroyed their boats. Eska got one in when she destroyed Korra's boat. Then they dodged each other for a while with Korra using the waterspout. Eska got one solid hit on Korra which knocked her off the waterspout and Korra used airbending to recover. Korra used a big waterbending move that they were both countering - that's when they saw the spirit and backed off. Korra was the one who never landed a direct hit on either of them, whereas Eska got one on her fair and square.
You have to be joking, they literally had the element of surprise and caught at least one of them from behind.
Seriously, you need to watch that fight again. Mako saw them at Misty Palms long before they saw him. He was able to get Asami to take Korra and Naga and run. Ming tried attacking Asami and that's when Mako attacked her, which Ming blocked.
Then why is Hama going to do better?
Because unlike Amon, she doesn't hate bending and using bloodbending to actually move her victims - make them swing their arms and walk - is part of her MO. Amon just used it to restrain people.
And Korra has more waterbending power than any of them.
Whatever makes you think that? Korra has never pulled out water out of plants or thin air. What makes you think that either Katara or Hama are incapable of a move like that or more.
You mean even tho she kept them from getting a single hit on the water even though she was running away and not trying to fight?
I mean she couldn't keep them from getting a hit in.
If she fought them at the North Pole she could have done something like her tsunami move seeing as how Desna/Eska together did a massive ice attack against Ming-Hua there.
She would also be able to use air and fire much more effectively with a solid ground to do stances on, which is an important part of bending.
Eska and Desna would have the same advantage - using massive ice-attacks, having solid ground for stances. Bottom line, she wouldn't be able to one-shot them like Ming.
Kuvira is a high tier who has held her own against Korra, defeated Su easily, is recognized as a prodigy.
Azula is a high tier who has contended with nearly every high tier in ATLA including Aang, Katara, Zuko, Toph, etc., and is recognized as a prodigy.
Both Kuvira and Azula are masters - that's above high-tier.
Kya was stomped by Zaheer who would struggle with Kuvira and Azula.
Kya wasn't stomped - she put up a great fight. And no, Zaheer would do pretty well against either Kuvira or Azula.
You would normally be right, but Aang and Korra would easily win that fight still (against Ming-Hua and P'Li) and I'm more than willing to CaV you on that.
Aang and Korra vs Ming-Hua and P'Li? They could win - I'll grant you that. But it certainly won't be easy. Can you actually CaV about how easily someone wins a fight? Not about who would win but by what margin?
She won after he made dumb decisions with earth mainly due to morals.
Why do you think the earth-shield was because of morals?
The way I see it, if Lin and Su can kill P'Li together, Aang or Korra alone can.
And this is where you ignore the point of teamwork.
There is a whole lot of advantage to being in a team that even the Avatar with 4-elements doesn't have. You can get off multiple attacks from different directions which makes it that much harder to dodge or block. The Avatar would be limited to making 1 or 2 attacks at a time from a single direction - much easier to defend. One team member can handle the defense, while the other focuses on attack - whereas the Avatar has to focus on both. Once can act as distraction while the other uses sneak-attacks - whereas in one-on-one, the opponent would be focused on just the 1 attacker.
Its much easier to kill someone as part of a team than it is to do it alone even if you have all the skills of the team. And if P'Li can manage to put a whole team on the defensive, a single bender is going to have that much of a harder time against her.
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