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In this battle, Avatar Wan will do battle with Firelord Ozai, who will win?

Wan has all the elements for this battle. He is merged with Raava, but he does not have the AS

Ozai is Sozin's Comet enhanced (Wan is not)

Fight takes place where Ozai fought Aang. Starting distance is 50 feet.

Both are completely determined to win. Victory by ko or death

Round 1: No lightning

Round 2: Lightning on

Who wins?

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Without AS Wan loses both rounds Ozai had Aang on the fence with all elements whereas Aang only overwhelmed him with AS.

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Without AS Wan loses both rounds Ozai had Aang on the fence with all elements whereas Aang only overwhelmed him with AS.

Wan's not exactly Aang, he's got a manuverability advantage on his nimbus and firebending far superior to Aang's, plus better durability and less morals

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@arcus said:

@uchiha454 said:

Without AS Wan loses both rounds Ozai had Aang on the fence with all elements whereas Aang only overwhelmed him with AS.

Wan's not exactly Aang, he's got a manuverability advantage on his nimbus and firebending far superior to Aang's, plus better durability and less morals

Yes but Ozai has a lower sense of morality than Wan also his means of flight is better than Wan's not to mention he has greater range and power since Wan isn't amped and for round 2 Wan isn't doding instant lightning nor do I believe his durability will overcome that.

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Ozai. More raw power outside AS

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Round 1 Wan might get a slight advantage. He can go for running and restraining Ozai or even play a pretty good power game until he gets a real opening. Its almost 50/50 if Wan is doing his very best but he could do it if he makes Ozai get closer to the ground so he can bend other elements.

Round 2 Ozai slaughters. Idk if he has nimbus cloud or not but he's not dodging all that lightning. It puts him entirely on defense and against what Ozai is putting out already its ridiculous.

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@uchiha454: Wan's pretty fast on his nimbus, I'm not sure Ozai's is significantly better if at all

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@koays: he does have his nimbus

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@arcus said:

@uchiha454: Wan's pretty fast on his nimbus, I'm not sure Ozai's is significantly better if at all

He's fast but a major flaw to the nimbus is that he can be knocked off it with jet propulsion it is a lot more challenging to knock down the opponent.

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@uchiha454: true. On the other hand Ozai had to land more frequently for larger attacks while Wan could bend on his nimbus the same as he could on solid ground

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@arcus: OK then he has a much more solid win for round 1 after a long fight. R2 Goes to Ozai because lightning hurts.

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@arcus said:

@uchiha454: true. On the other hand Ozai had to land more frequently for larger attacks while Wan could bend on his nimbus the same as he could on solid ground

Yes he is able to bend proficiently on the nimbus but outside of AS I think Wan lacked the power to bring down Ozai if I am remembering right his best offensive bending for Water outside of AS was water streams which Ozai would snuff out with his fire, for Earth three boulders which Ozai could dodge, for Air it was air slices which Ozai could dodge or overpower with his fire blast, and for Fire it was fire slices and blasts which Ozai could overpower.

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@arcus: Not to mention his character was fully realized by the time he made it to the harmonic convergence. Aang had been said by both Toph and Zuko that his fire and earth bending could use work. Im going with Wan as well. Ozai will just try to overwhelm Wan with large blasts of his firebending which wont do him much good against one of the first firebenders who learned to bend from the spirits themselves. His best bet is lightning, something Wan has never seen before.

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Tough fight. I'm leaning toward Ozai for both rounds due to the superior fire power and an impressive performance against a notably better avatar. Plus the lightning for R2, though Wan has the chance to dodge with the build up, would likely be the avatar's undoing.

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interesting match, Aang was holding his own when not in AS at the beginning of his fight before getting overwhelmed/scared and hiding in his rock ball thing until the conveniently placed rock hit his chakra point (or whatever happened, either way it was a bit PISy) I think a similar thing will happen here, it will be pretty even but in the end I think Wan gets overwhelmed.

of course same result round 2 it will just happen quicker

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Tough fight. I'm leaning toward Ozai for both rounds due to the superior fire power and an impressive performance against a notably better avatar. Plus the lightning for R2, though Wan has the chance to dodge with the build up, would likely be the avatar's undoing.

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Wan has very limited showings outside AS.

Yea, he was versatile, can dodge and has very nice firebending, but theres not enough feats that allows us to know how would he do against someone as powerful as comet amped Ozai. Without AS, Aang was just on the defensive and having a real hard time, and Aang is probably betetr than Wan due to feats.

Ozai both rounds for me.

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@linark: he wasn't in the AS for his fight with Vaatu-merging with Raava just let him bend all four elements. He wasn't in the AS until they bonded forever

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@arcus: Gotta watch TLoK again, saw it before ATLA :P

Still, he has only 1 episode of heavy bending if i recall correctly and Ozai was winning vs Aang who has a full show of bending showings which were awesome. Not enough to win vs ozai in my opinion.

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Wan for sure. His earth will defend him against lightning and water will put out Ozai's fire.

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@linark said:

@arcus: Gotta watch TLoK again, saw it before ATLA :P

Still, he has only 1 episode of heavy bending if i recall correctly and Ozai was winning vs Aang who has a full show of bending showings which were awesome. Not enough to win vs ozai in my opinion.

By the same logic, Ozai only had one episode of heavy bending

Wan for sure. His earth will defend him against lightning and water will put out Ozai's fire.

Wan doesn't have the showings of raw power in waterbending to put out Ozai's enhanced fire

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@arcus said:

Wan for sure. His earth will defend him against lightning and water will put out Ozai's fire.

Wan doesn't have the showings of raw power in waterbending to put out Ozai's enhanced fire

That is completely opinionated. Wan definitely has enough. Plus, his fire deflects Ozai's fire. And air can insulate lightning. Water is overkill.

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@arcus said:

Wan for sure. His earth will defend him against lightning and water will put out Ozai's fire.

Wan doesn't have the showings of raw power in waterbending to put out Ozai's enhanced fire

That is completely opinionated. Wan definitely has enough. Plus, his fire deflects Ozai's fire. And air can insulate lightning. Water is overkill.

How is it completely opinionated? What feats of raw power in waterbending does Wan have to suggest he can simply put out Ozai's enhanced blasts? Since when does air insulate lightning?

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#28  Edited By anthp2000  Moderator

@arcus1: Ozai is amped and Wan isn't? Come on.

Ozai litteraly one shots both rounds. Wan's feats with the other elements do not even remotely come close to Ozai's amped bending prowess. His waterbending is well below Aang's, his firebending is a coplete non-factor without the amp, his airbending is below Meelo's and his earthbending is below Korra's. Give him the amp and Ozai still wins both rounds in a solid fight.

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@arcus1: Ozai is amped and Wan isn't? Come on.

Ozai litteraly one shots both rounds. Wan's feats with the other elements do not even remotely come close to Ozai's amped bending prowess. His waterbending is well below Aang's, his firebending is a coplete non-factor without the amp, his airbending is below Meelo's and his earthbending is below Korra's. Give him the amp and Ozai still wins both rounds in a solid fight.

Complete non-factor?

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#30  Edited By anthp2000  Moderator

@arcus1 said:
@anthp2000 said:

@arcus1: Ozai is amped and Wan isn't? Come on.

Ozai litteraly one shots both rounds. Wan's feats with the other elements do not even remotely come close to Ozai's amped bending prowess. His waterbending is well below Aang's, his firebending is a coplete non-factor without the amp, his airbending is below Meelo's and his earthbending is below Korra's. Give him the amp and Ozai still wins both rounds in a solid fight.

Complete non-factor?

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Wan can content with Ozai in pure firebending but non-comet vs comet, come on? Ozai is 3 times or so more powerful.