I'm pushing y'all on this one. Contrarians ftw
Toph would go down to any of the three airbenders quickly (Zaheer has flight). That immediately puts her team in a disadvantage. The quality of the teams are relatively close to an extent that the numerical advantage of the boys tips the scales in their favour. I see the boys win this.
Bonus - similar to the previous one. But, once comet is on, Roku, Ozai and Iroh would be too good that I don't see Azula and Korra carrying their side. The higher number of high quality firebenders wins this quicker for the boys. Before anyone asks, I don't know the catastrophe that P'li and Combustion Man could create under the comet. There's a chance almost everyone die from the shockwaves.
Do you think that the girls will let Zaheer or Tenzin get close to Toph, knowing that weakness? Aang will be preoccupied with Korra and Kyoshi, and Katara and the Beifong daughters are unlikely to allow Toph alone near airbenders.
Remember that the girls get a pretty solid advantage in the bonus with the Full Moon. Katara, Korra, and Ming Hua on the same team? They also know the Comet is coming, so they may focus on taking out firebending brothers as soon as they can.
I'll side with the guys on this one. Although the girls are really strong, it seems like the guys have a higher average thanks to Bumi, and one of their weakest members having an advantage against a powerful member of the girls (Toph being a bad match for Zaheer, especially in an open area). Also, giving Unalaq Post-Fusion feats gives him a decent boost, and gives him the means to go up against the stronger members of the gal team.
Close fight, maybe I'll just side with the guys, but the girls are not to be underestimated.
Hard fight in the bonus, but like Viking said, if they get to the point where the Comet comes on, lets assume that the Combustion benders don't blow up the entire place, which would give the guys the advantage due to their greater number of efficient firebenders with the combo of Ozai and Iroh.
How does Bumi alone give the boys a higher average? The girls have the strongest bender in Korra IMO and Bumi is already matched by Toph, who is behind Azula, Katara and the Avatars. Sure, Zaheer would wreck Toph, but several of the girls would wreck Zaheer and have the ability to fight multiple people at a time, namely Katara. Unalaq has good feats post-fusion but with teamwork, the girls can earthbend and icebend some pillars to give Ming Hua her top tier agility. Unalaq's also outmatched as the weakest waterbender here, not counting Aang and Kyoshi.
You'd be hardpressed to argue anyone in the entire series being as powerful as Roku in raw power or bending skill. Having him, Bumi, Aang, Ozai and Unalaq on the same team is almost unfair tbh.
Korra should be comparable to Roku, and by the nature of his lack of feats, Roku can't be called as skilled a combatant as Korra, the most gifted Avatar we know of and a natural fighter. Kyoshi was also an unnaturally powerful bender; it wasn't a matter of "Is it small enough?" for her, it was a matter of "Is it big enough?" Toph has stalemated Bumi before, Aang's very nature keeps him from being as big a threat as the other Avatars and he's not as good as Korra is regardless. Ozai and Unalaq are matched by Azula and Ming Hua.
OK so I'm going to go with the optimal win strategy for the girls
Unalaq vs Ming Hua-Unalaq but not quickly
Katara vs Tenzin-Katata barely
Toph vs Bumi-tie or Bumi wins
Korra vs Aang-Korra wins.
Roku vs Kyoshi-Even, maybe Kyoshi due to her raw power
Zaheer vs Azula-Normally he would have an advantage because of his speed but due to her agility and reflexes I think she can last long enough to get a lucky shot in, however I do think he would win after a long fight
Lin vs Ozai-She can put up a good fight with her mobilit, reaction time and earth shields but I think she eventually loses
Suyin and Pli vs Combustion Man and Ghazan-would be an interesting fight to watch, and eye to how messy this fight will be, I think suyin has a chance to make Combustion man decapitate himself with a metal head wrap,plus both her and Pli are fast enough to dodge his attacks and avoid his lava
Kuvira vs Iroh - Irohs most powerful moves require charge time that Kuvira just will not give him, plus her metal shields can defend from his fireand I think she can dodge his lightning with earth amped agility
So now we have :Korra, Kyoshi, Katara, Kuvira, Pli, Suyin
VS
Ozai,Bumi,Zaheer and Unalaq(hey all 4 elements!)
Katara can beat Unalaq
Korra beats Ozai
Kyoshi can stall Bumi
And Suyin, Kuvira and Pli can beat Zaheer and assist Kyoshi
Girls win! YAYYY
How do you know that the match ups would end up this way, though? All things considered, Zaheer has pretty much no reason to fight Azula, Lin has pretty much no reason to fight Ozai, etc. If anything, this would devolve into much more than regular 1v1 sets, it might be a full on 10v10.
This is a tough battle but I think I’ll go with the girls. Kyoshi and Korra have an edge over Aang and Roku. Korra is a more natural fighter, more proficient martial artist, and is more naturally gifted with bending than Aang is and Kyoshi seems to be hyped as an abnormally powerful Avatar in general by lore and in-universe statements. She also has a physical advantage over Roku as well as being known for her being known for her large scale bending. Kyoshi has also shown the ability to lava bend which Roku does not have which puts him against someone with an offense he cannot bend. She is also more experienced of a fighter with her being alive for 230 years compared to Roku’s 70.
Ozai is implied to be a better fire bender than Azula but how much so is completely unknown. I don’t think the difference is big enough for it to significantly help the boys side here.
Katara seems like she is powerful enough of a water bender to take out Iroh. I think water bending is much more versatile than fire bending intrinsically giving Katara more opportunities to incapacitate him.
P’li is kinda just a better version of Combustion Man. She has shown the ability to curve her combustion blasts and land hits with more accuracy than CB. She is also more agile as CB has a prosthetic arm and leg.
Toph was seemingly equal to Bumi at just 12 years old and she and her daughters have metal bending which Bumi cannot do which gives them a massive advantage in versatility.
Fused Unalaq should be a bit stronger than Ming Hua. I think they roughly scale to each other since they were both on the Red Lotus but with Vatuu increasing his power, I think Ming Hua would be overwhelmed.
The rest is a bit more in the boys side since the boys have air bending which most have very little experience dealing with, but I think the metal benders should be able to beat them. Kuvira was nearly equal to Korra who I think is a much better combatant than Tenzin. Zaheer is still not a master air bender and I think Lin or Su yin would be able to hold him off. I don’t think Ghazan is powerful enough to turn the tides of the power advantages the girls have. The boys have few slight advantages while I think the girls have massive advantages on their side.
Kyoshi is known for her bending power, but Roku has shown immense power himself, power that might match even Kyoshi's or Korra's. And while Korra is a better fighter than Aang, we can't forget that Aang's airbending is arguably the most powerful element we've seen bent to date.
Ozai's implied better, true, but Azula can redirect lightning. Ozai has no real counter to this ability.
Iroh is a peer to Ozai by all means and is one of the most physically impressive benders there is. Azula is comparable to Katara so Iroh is possibly superior.
P'li's definitely better but Combustion Man IIRC has shown to be better at a range considering his raw power, which surpasses P'li's. The 100 meter distance in this match up makes him dangerous to more benders from the beginning; he could probably tag everyone but P'li in the first second of the match.
Toph can't use metalbending well by the end of the series, so she'd be more or less equal to Bumi.
I'm not entirely sure how to go about Unalaq vs Ming Hua, but one thing is for sure; Unalaq's power is his advantage while Ming Hua's versatility is hers. Ming Hua's team is all about territory manipulation, which aids her agility massively.
Tenzin should be a good counter to Kuvira. He could launch mechs and his air spout is a good way to avoid close quarters. Zaheer can fly good enough to avoid the Avatar State, so I feel confident in his speed against the Beifong daughters. Ghazan is a great lavabender which messes up any earthbending defense or offense by nature.
@cocacolaman: Unalaq can't be post-fusion and not the Dark Avatar, that is literally what he because the moment he fused with Vaatu.
Anyway, the guys have 3 Avatar's while the girls have 2 though Korra is the strongest here. This is tough. Guys I feel have more power overall but I can't see them putting down the girls before Korra can do a lot of damage to the team.
I would have to go Girls with Korra as the MVP. They also have the better Combustion Bender.
No glow eye feats I guess
Unalaq is an Avatar in title alone; he can't bend four elements, he's just a top tier waterbender. Korra, I agree, is the best fighter, but Roku and Aang have a higher average than Korra with Kyoshi, and Aang's airbending could outdo Korra's waterbending.
P'li's better but Combustion Man's raw power would let him tag more benders from the beginning.
Boys are overall better but all the girl team has three metalbenders that can incap any member of team boy for a oneshot. I see the girls attempting to hold off the boys raw power whilst Kuvira and Su plays sharpshooter and takes them out 1 at a time. Iroh, CM, Ozai and Ghazan have no real answers for this method. Once they are out, the girls can overwhelm the boys.
Boys crush round 2, Azula and P'li are good, good enough to hang with or beat any firebender on team boy, but they just have more master firebenders.
Metalbending can one shot any boy in the same way that any powerful bending can one shot anyone, and metalbending won't be a game changer against a lavabender and airbenders. The firebending brothers can just dodge the metal strips and shoot lightning at the metalbenders, Combustion Man is out of their range for at least a while, and Ghazan has lava to stop the metal. Zaheer can fly around and disrupt the sharpshooters with airbending while Combustion Man snipes them from afar.
The Comet doesn't come into play until ten minutes after, enough time for the waterbenders to focus their moon-amped powers on the firebenders.
Avatar Korra
Avatar Kyoshi
Toph
Katara
Kuvira
Lin
Suyin
Azula
P'li
Ming Hua
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Avatar Aang
Avatar Roku
Firelord Ozai
General Iroh
Combustion Man
Ghazan
King Bumi
Tenzin
Zaheer
Unalaq
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Kyoshi and Korra Vs Aang and Roku- Kyoshi stomps either Korra can stalemate either, girls win
Katara Vs Ozai- Katara has the raw power and skill to beat him when he doesn’t have the comet, and she has already countered Azula on more than one occasion who is similar in form. Katara can also block his lightning and react to it as she has already done, and Ozai suffers still from lack of feats. Girls win
Toph Vs Combustion Man- Toph can match his power and she has the skill to eventually land hits. She also has the advantage of always being able to tell exactly where he is with her seismic sense. If Toph manages to get close she can also metal bend him. Girls win
Kuvira Vs Iroh- This is tricky. Kuvira has never reacted to lightning, but I believe that it is intended for all high tiers in there vers to be capable of doing so. Iroh, like Ozai suffers from lack of feats. He only has hype. So by that logic I have to give Kuvira the win. Based on better skill and versatility showing as well as agility.
Lin and Su vs Ghazan- splitting up the match like this will allow them to duo him. They are extremely skilled with metal and using the metal in their armor precisely and quickly. Ghazan can beat either in a 1v1 with the use of lava, but here I don’t see him being able to avoid getting grappled her Lin or Su for that long, and when they grab him the fight won’t last much longer than that. Girls win
Ming Hua vs Bumi- This fight like the other fights involving the white lotus is difficult to place. Bumi has never fought anyone as fast or as skilled as Ming, but Ming has also never fought anyone as powerful as Bumi. I honestly think in universe they would be at a similar level of bending power, but I’ll say this is 50/50. Either win
Azula vs Tenzin- I favor Tenzin’s agility, power, and defense. I only think Azula might have a slight skill advantage, but it isn’t enough to win. Boys win
P’li vs Zaheer and Unalaq- P’li just needs to spam explosions and keep them on the defense until someone can come help which I think she is capable of doing for a good amount of time. Boys win though
Overall adding all the fights up the girls win the majority
Kyoshi by current feats has nothing to stomp the other Avatars.
Katara only ever beat Azula when she was mentally insane. They've never fought a proper 1v1 to my knowledge, and Ozai is better by implications regardless.
Toph is unlikely to get near CM without interference from an airbender or Bumi, and CM can snipe from afar. Toph would be lucky to get close.
Didn't Katara and Ozai fail to do that/were implied to fail in the finale? Iroh can't use Mako-tier insta lightning regardless. Kuvira never did anything truly special tbh, and while Iroh didn't either, it's clear how powerful he's intended to be. Mirajane vs Gray tier etc.
Ghazan won't stick himself to a 2v1 with benders of this skill level unless he has time to make a lava pool, but that would give him an advantage anyway.
Bumi stomps Ming Hua, this thread solos. The comments solo. ffs this GIF solos. Mirajane vs Gray++ tier etc.
How in God's name is JK Simmons beating a firebending prodigy? She was whooping both his parents.
P'li is way out of Unalaq's range and Zaheer may hesitate with his GF.
I'm going with the women, but with high difficulty.
Without AS, I'd say Aang comes out as the weakest of the 4 Avatars. Post-fusion Unalaq is something of a psuedo-Avatar, but the women have Katara. Speaking of which, Katara, Azula, and Toph on one team? Hard trio for anyone to deal with. But all that said, the men have a much more balanced team. Discounting Avatars and combustion benders on both sides, the men have 2 earthbenders, 2 airbenders, 2 firebenders, and a pretty high tier waterbender. The women have 4 earthbenders, 2 waterbenders, 1 firebender, and not a single airbender. But while the men have a pretty significant edge in airbending, the women have exclusivity when it comes to metalbending. 5 metalbenders (counting Korra) to 0. Looking at the breakdown of the teams, I'm also gonna give the teamwork and tactical edge to the women as well (and I don't see this breaking down into 10 separate 1-on-1s).
I tried to keep this short, but basically, I'll take the women after a hard fought battle.
What places Kyoshi above the best airbender of the franchise? The ProdiThrees are matched by the Royals of the Fire Nation and Omashu. The numbers are accurate but the girls' waterbending steers well above the boys' and the earthbending of the boys includes lava and the GOAT himself. Metalbending is countered by airbending, and lavabending is exclusive to the boys.
My opinion is based only on the TV feats since I dind't read the comics yet
To keep it short I think the boys have a stunning advantage here that some people seem to neglect, girls team don't have any Airbender except the Avatars, which aren't mainly Airbenders anyway and this is going to be a massive problem here. Aang , Tenzin and Zaheer together will be a ridiculous oppostion, I don't see any Earthbender or Metalbender on the opposite team being able to survive the ferocity and overwhelming force of their combined Airbending , especially when you have Zaheer which would be launching attacks from the Sky. Aang with the support of his son Tenzin will rip apart or overwhelm any defense Toph and Kyoshi might try to make, Toph daughters offensive capacities will be be useless against the wave of attacks in front of them , they won't be able to even approach properly the Airbending team, let alone have an effective formation to outflank them or trap them with their bending. The Airbenders have the range advantage they have the speed avdantage and they have the effective power advantage, not to mention Zaheer which provide a considerable tactical advantage by attacking from the sky
Also as mentionned Toph can't do much against Zaheer anyway, considering she can't see him lol, good luck to predict his attacks.
Metalbending his great and all, but you need to manage to use it properly and tag your opponent with it, I doubt this will happen when you have literally a portion of the best Airbenders in the world in the oppposite team which are especially known for their speed and agility, not to mention the large variety of attacks they can use.
Ozai and Iroh are both stronger than Azula. Combustion Man can probably beat P'li or at the very least stalemate her. King Bumi can negate and destroy any tactic the opposite team try to apply via their Earthbenders, considering he is himself arguably the strongest Earthbender in the whole verse after Kyoshi , but I doubt she can properly focus on Bumi with all the overwhelming assault she will have to defend against by the Airbenders and Firebenders. Ghazan lavabending will be a insane support for Bumi btw, and considering how much overwhelming force the girls will have to face already, this will be a real pain in the ass for them.
Unalaq can probably beat Ming and maybe Katara. And either way, I doubt the waterbending will be of any considerable help here, considering they have Aang which can literally slap away any waterbending offensive with his Airbending.
Ruko will only make it worse, I think he is likely the stongest Avatar here, at least under those conditions in my opinion. And he seems to be very versatile and efficient with any bending style in combat, but he is especially ridiculous with his nation bending, aka fire.
So yeah Boys for the majority.
The girls have an airbender disadvantage but having airbending at all keeps them in the game. Earthbending can defend well against airbending attacks by nature, and the girls have earth skill in spades. The boys have the skies but the girls have the ground.
Toph protected gg
Metalbending is better than earthbending and can't be broken out of by any means I know of, at least none that are swift as needed.
Azula wouldn't be outmatched by Iroh or Ozai to an extent that keeps her from pushing either of them. P'li's shown better feats than CM in skill and versatiltiy, so I don't see how he's beating her. Toph matched Bumi in the comics, though you didn't know that so I understand why you said this, but Bumi himself can only do so much earthbending against a team chock full of them. Ghazan might be the single weakest bender in this whole matchup, save maybe the Beifong daughters, but their metalbending is an equal to his lava.
Unalaq's not beating the single best waterbender we know of. Nearly Korra-tier power but unmatched skill resides in Katara. Ming is also a good match for Unalaq. Aang will be tied up with the other Avatars most likely.
Roku might be the strongest, but it might be Korra, too, considering she's a natural fighter and very gifted in general. Roku predates Korra's fighting style but Korra can use Roku's.
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