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#1 Edited by PsychoMatter (115 posts) - - Show Bio

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Rules

  • Victory is by KO or Death
  • Both Sides are in their prime
  • Round 1 and 2 are In Character
  • No Knowledge
  • Both Sides are determined to win
  • They start 100 feet apart
  • Tower of Heaven Arc Natsu
  • Natsu can use Dragon Force at will
  • Asta can use Anti-Magic Demon at will

Round 1. Hand to Hand fighting

Round 2. Full Arsenal and In Character

Round 3. Full Arsenal and Bloodlusted.

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#2 Posted by samconery (1717 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know about asta. What are his best feats?

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#4 Posted by Primez0ne (9811 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know about asta. What are his best feats?

To give you a quick rundown he can basically cancel magic or redirect it using his swords.

Speed: Its hard to quantify his speed but he has often redirected magically attacks that has come at him from multiple directions and moves so fast that people think he must use magic to increase his speed. Asta also has ki senses which allow him to react to attack better.

Strength: Not that much but he can punch small craters in stone.

Durability: From what I remember of Natsu, he should be able to one-shot Asta if Asta took a clean hit to his face.

Swords and Anti-magic: These are the only things that would keep alive him in the fight. He should be able to effectively absorb or deflect most of Natsu attacks by using his swords. I would not say it's a NLF, but unless Natsu's fire magic is special, Asta should be able to cancel it out. Also since the OP specified in their prime Asta should be able to use his anti-magic energy.

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#5 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Posted by samconery (1717 posts) - - Show Bio

@primez0ne: Well, if iam right asta should able to counter the magic of his universe not the magic of ft. Because it has been accepted that every universe have different magic laws Also his durability looks shit. So i will give it to natsu. Also much of ft's magic actually acts like haki or chakra not the literal meaning of magic. Well i will agree that he can redirect natsu's attack but natsu can do mass physical damage and is more of an h2h guy. Also even though he redirects natsu's attack back at him natsu won't be hurt

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#7 Posted by teenman12 (362 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu

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#8 Posted by Kuja9001 (557 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know about asta. What are his best feats?

I know practically nothing of fairy tail besides it's not so great writing so free feel to fill me in. Black Clover is still young so there's no major destruction going on yet.

His weapons

Demon-Slayer Sword - Allows him to negate or reflect a person's magic using the sword's spine.

Demon-Dweller Sword - Allows him to borrow the mana from his allies, thereby increasing the force and range of his attacks. Both swords have anti-magic properties.

Some feats for now

Through Ki sensing, Asta is able to locate someone that is invisible.

Although barely, he can follow characters who have lightspeed reactions/attack speed.

He along with Yami are perfectly fine after a cave-in from Licht.

Deflects Valtos' attacks from every angle while tired.

Got punched into a stone wall and gets up like it was nothing.

is still standing while running through intense heat

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#9 Posted by Primez0ne (9811 posts) - - Show Bio

@primez0ne: Well, if iam right asta should able to counter the magic of his universe not the magic of ft. Because it has been accepted that every universe have different magic laws Also his durability looks shit. So i will give it to natsu. Also much of ft's magic actually acts like haki or chakra not the literal meaning of magic. Well i will agree that he can redirect natsu's attack but natsu can do mass physical damage and is more of an h2h guy. Also even though he redirects natsu's attack back at him natsu won't be hurt

People have different opinions on that. Personally I feel that unless there are any special conditions to the magic then universe to universe they should be similar. I would even say that the description you gave for FT's magic is similar to Black Clover's magic anyway.

I would still give Natsu the healthy majority since his physicals is better than Natsu's though.

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#10 Posted by ReaperTheGrim (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

What's Asta's dc like

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#11 Posted by PsychoMatter (115 posts) - - Show Bio
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#12 Posted by Redzkz (3680 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu stomps.

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#13 Posted by Lordflawlez (1288 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu one shots with ikkusatsunagi punch

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#14 Posted by americanspeeddemon (7122 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll play devil's advocate and say Asta

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#15 Posted by Helloman (28515 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu wins.

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#16 Posted by PsychoMatter (115 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by DeathHero61 (18686 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu stomps, far faster(if you exclude those likely mistranslated statements saying certain attacks are light speed.) far tougher, Asta's new power is not enough to contend with Natsu at all. His physical capabilities are superior to Asta, making his best appeal in BC useless. The main reason why Asta is broken in his verse is because he's physically fit.

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#18 Posted by HigherPower (12190 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu stomps

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#19 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

BumP!!!!!!

because i CAN...

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#20 Posted by GammaFlash (148 posts) - - Show Bio

Asta stomps, he's FTL

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#21 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2187 posts) - - Show Bio

Havent caught up on BC beginning isn't very exciting, any readers know if it gets any better seemed very cut and dry

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#22 Posted by kgb725 (18390 posts) - - Show Bio

@gammaflash: Since when has little Naruto hit lightspeed ?

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#23 Posted by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

Most people here don't seem to know Asta's stats.

He has small town level dc and dura since he's scaled to the salamander's breath attack which destroyed a large part of the witch's forest.

He gets scaled to Yami who fought a guy that moves at lightspeed.

Asta stomps since this is Tower of Heaven Natsu.

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#24 Posted by deactivated-5ac4e862bd47b (3700 posts) - - Show Bio

Asta is most likely MHS++ in reactions, and supersonic in travel since he reflected the light attacks. Yami though is confirmed relevatistic

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#25 Posted by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

Asta is most likely MHS++ in reactions, and supersonic in travel since he reflected the light attacks. Yami though is confirmed relevatistic

Even if we use MHS++ for his speed,it's still more than enough to blitz any version of Natsu.And since this Tower of Heaven arc Natsu who's only hypersonic,he gets destroyed badly.

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5ac4e862bd47b (3700 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowshock:

Yeah I know, I agree Asta should win this. I'm just explaining his speed

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#27 Posted by TheCrystalBall (575 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not LS or anywhere near rofl..

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#28 Edited by deactivated-5ac4e862bd47b (3700 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecrystalball:

Yes he is, the manga confirmed it. Plus the authors others mangas developed lightspeed early on as well. He's MHS++ in reactions

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#29 Posted by Cerberus369616 (2174 posts) - - Show Bio

I see no Reason Natsu shouldn't win. I don't buy that Asta's anti magic just won't work on another universe, it that's the case we might as well invalidate his biggest stregnth and best reason to try using him in the Forums for now. But even if he can negate Natsu's magic (though you could argue he hasn't dealt with an attack of natsu's scale, not that they don't exist in Black Clover yet) Natsu is still far stronger, faster and more durable and will just proceed to punch him into submission.

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#30 Posted by Shadowshock (433 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not LS or anywhere near rofl..

lul do you even read the manga?it's a word of god statement so your opinion on his speed is moot

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#32 Posted by KingAcnologia (10 posts) - - Show Bio

natsu takes it easily,because he have experience to with fighting against sword user. and it doesnt matter if its natsu from ep 1 or eos natsu he still have end power, if asta absorb all natsu magic,then we will see E.N.D. who uses curse power.and asta is still developing, new generation hero will surpass old generation(like natsu,luffy naruto, ichigo et....)

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#33 Posted by Primez0ne (9811 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm actually really beginning to believe the statements of lightspeed considering the recent chapters. Asta may still not have the necessary firepower, but this could become a stalemate if Natsu cannot find a way to hit Asta through his anti-magic.

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#34 Edited by GohanDorado (373 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm inclined to say Asta after seeing what the demon dweller sword can do when used properly. Asta's black form hones onto magic like a magnet which means Natsu can't escape him. Asta can also sense ki(not the dragon ball kind). meaning he can predict natsu's attacks and be one step ahead. And since Asta uses swords instead of fits his damage will be a lot more lethal a lot more easily

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#35 Posted by Jko1 (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu stomps low diff

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#36 Posted by GXrevs06 (4409 posts) - - Show Bio

Asta with ease. He's way faster and can nullify everything Natsu throws at him with his swords

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#37 Edited by AntitheticalOpinion (229 posts) - - Show Bio

If he was able to keep up with Despair (even though it was for a short amount of time before he got help from his team), then i'm pretty sure he speed blitz and slices Natsu in half.

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#38 Posted by Argevil4 (9 posts) - - Show Bio

Leaning towards asta only because this is a very early series natsu. Asta is faster than this natsu and although natsu has been able to react to people faster than him b4 asta still has the edge since he can negate natsu's magic. Back at this stage natsu's attacks weren't as large scale as they are now. Physically this natsu is probably still stronger but at the end of the day asta would probably come out on top. Current natsu oneshots tho.

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#39 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for Asta? In the anime at least, DF Natsu killed Jellal without much trouble (IIRC, it took a knee, slamming him through some Etherion, and two punches.)

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#40 Posted by diydeath (2409 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: That was a special occasion back then because he just ate an etherion blast which massively powered him up.

Based on what I'm reading, Asta probably takes it because he's a loooooot faster and has anti magic attacks that follow the target but lacks the DC or AoE of Natsu.

Though...if E.N.D somehow comes out...since E.N.D is basically Natsu's Void...Asta gets baby shaked to death.

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#41 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

@diydeath: op says he can go into Dragon Force at will.

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#42 Edited by Narutogen13 (211 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#43 Posted by diydeath (2409 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: That DF wasn't a normal DF though. That was an amped version because Natsu just ate an assload of magic, normal DF happens under Natsu's own power.

I think they have different feats too, don't quote me on that last part though. It's been a while since I thought about early FT.

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#44 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

@diydeath: In a comparison, Etherion Dragon Force is the weakest known one. It has small scales as opposed to natural DF giving Natsu scales that almost cover half his face.

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#45 Posted by GXrevs06 (4409 posts) - - Show Bio

@diydeath said:

@drpepperman: That DF wasn't a normal DF though. That was an amped version because Natsu just ate an assload of magic, normal DF happens under Natsu's own power.

I think they have different feats too, don't quote me on that last part though. It's been a while since I thought about early FT.

Ethernano merely acts as a catalyst for his DF transformation. The same thing happens when he eats the flames of rebuke which is equal to the Ethernano induced DF

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#46 Edited by DarkStar04 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I do not know much of Fairy Tail, but I do know of Black Clover. I do believe Natsu has more speed and physical strength, but with Asta's swords, he can pretty much cancel anything Natsu throws at him. Speed is sort of an issue for Asta though, as he can't hit every quick attack that comes at him. Another thing about Asta is he does not stop fighting, regardless of his condition, and will improvise other ways to fight if things don't go as expected. He also can sense ki, which will help because he will be one step ahead of Natsu. I will have to give the edge to Asta in this one, especially since he has access to his demon form.

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#47 Posted by hurricanefunnel (2151 posts) - - Show Bio

asta based on abilities

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#48 Posted by Oreo6 (391 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont get why ppl think speed is the same as reaction speed. My gosh man. How long is this "misconception" gonna last. Asta is only lightspeed with reactions. Natsu should be faster than him on foot and should definitely be loads stronger and durable. Current natsu would wreck and if not then stalemate.

This natsu, idk.

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#49 Posted by Tetsukage (1973 posts) - - Show Bio

Asta bodies him.

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#50 Posted by Zane240 (463 posts) - - Show Bio

With dragon force natsu should win every time