Asta vs Meliodas

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Battle rules

full power asta.

demon mark meliodas.

asta can access Demonic Transformation.

morals on for meliodas/morals off for asta.

standard equipment

win by death or K.O.

no Assault Mode for meliodas.

Who wins?

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Asta speed blitzes.

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#4  Edited By GXrevs06

Mel could one shot if he actually managed to tag him but Asta is way too fast and his swords can nullify regeneration. To note that Vetto was able to regenerate his arm and almost half his torso with ease yet couldn't heal after Asta's sword disrupted his internal magic

It's a tough. Mel outclasses him in every area bar speed and reactions. A lot of BC fans will argue that Asta has mountain level physicals scalling to the top tiers like Vetto but I just don't feel like there is enough evidence support that.

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Better question is which magic “no u” is better between the two?

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Mel stomps

Aoe revenge counter one shots

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Base meliodas is going to stomp him. He is way faster, physically stronger by alot, op healing, 3000 years old and one of the best swordsmen in the series. Demon mark is basically doubles his all stats making him even op. He would erase asta from existence.

I am following both black clover and seven deadly sins but the difference is too much. Astas feats are good but not good enough to even put him against post druid (32k power level) meliodas. Top teirs of nanatsu no tazai are too much for black cover verse

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Asta can't move at lightspeed: he can react to lightspeed attacks if he uses Ki Sensing. He can't just run around like the flash, and he's explicitly shown to move slower than all the other strong characters, even when he's using Mode Black.

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Meliodas wins decisively

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Meliodas

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smh.

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Meliodas wins

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Asta is FTL so he speedblitzes

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Meliodas should win if he can tag Asta. But honestly, the fact that meliodas is handicapped to such an extent, shows why this battle shouldn't be a thing, in my opinion.

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Even if we put composite meliodas (current) he can't do anything against Asta cause of the speed difference

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I really hate seeing battles where somebody is nerfed. Meliodas easily subsides Asta with his darkness then punches him into paste like he did Fraudrin.

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Asta should win easy for now.

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Asta wins

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Asta due to speed

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#21  Edited By cupofreality

Meliodas uses a twig & solos.

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Mel stomp with ease

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EpsilonR

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Are you guys insane? Asta wins with little to no effort

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Mel doesn't stand a chance without assault mode

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#25  Edited By william21213131

Meliodas summons his clones and sits back as they do all the work lol

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EpsilonR

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Asta by virtue of speed. Granted, if Mel gets a hit in, Asta gets splattered

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Speed is nice and all but mel still uas 7 hearts that need to be stabbed.

Also 7 hearts that asta doesnt know about.

And aoe handles speed

Ontop of that. On attack from ends him. If not then 2 or 3

Meliodas low-mid dif

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Mel wins. Asta may be faster, but revenge counter is a huge factor here.

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#30  Edited By EpsilonR

@nashiruu: Revenge Counter is his trump card, he doesn't use it right off the bat. Also, does revenge counter even works against non-magical attacks?

And revenge counter depends on one factor: Meliodas tanking hits to use it. All you need to have to deal with that is Durability Negation (which Asta has btw)

Not only Asta is blitzing, but he also has regeneration negation and is arguably stronger (even if he's not, he has Durability Negation and Soul Manipulation). I don't see how Asta loses this

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Asta doesn’t move at lightspeed idk why people keep saying this, he has reacted to it via precog from ki which is definitely impressive but people need to relax with this ftl bullshit

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#33  Edited By EpsilonR

@garrettmana: none of what you said disproves FTL for Asta smh. Ki just lets you predict the opponent's next moves and nothing else, just because know a bullet is coming doesn't mean you will automatically dodge it.

Besides, he still did an FTL feat by stopping Gauche's lasers, something he did before even learning ki.

Try again.

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Meliodas trashes Asta hard, magic cancellation is only an issue for a heavy magic user. Because of Meliodas' direct confrontational style of fighting, Asta has to face him head-on as a swordsman. Not a chance in Hell that Asta is a better swordsman than Meliodas, and Meliodas still has seven goddamn hearts! He can be hacked to pieces and fix himself and has Lost Vayne, making it 5v1 in a sword battle.

Even if Asta is considered faster, Meliodas can tank everything Asta is dishing because Asta is only city level at best. Asta isn't even mountain busting yet, which Meliodas could do without his Sacred Treasure. ASta is too prone to taking damage, and in a fight of endurance, he can't last long against Meliodas.

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Asta dies

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EpsilonR

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#37  Edited By EpsilonR

"City level at best"

LoL. Just. LoL.

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Meliodas would curb Asta if he could actually hit him. Hard nerf for sir Mel though

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#39  Edited By EpsilonR

Saying current Asta is City level at best is downplay.

-Far stronger than Neige who brought a snow storm across a whole city

-Stabbed Vetto, who overpowered Yami. Finral stated Yami destroyed mountains when he clashed with Jack

-Tanked and Reflected a fireball that could destroy a large mountain

-Stronger to Luck who brought a Thunderstorm across a whole city

So saying he's City level at best is ridiculous and I'd like to know why he shouldn't be higher

You can even say that Asta is Country level

-Defeated the Fire Salamander, which is stated to be able to vaporize the sea with one attack

-Stronger than Lumiere who defeated the giant Demon. Same demon is hundreds of times bigger than large mountains so he should be Island/Large Island by size alone.

-That same demon also brought a storm across the country and threatened to destroy the country with one attack.

Meliodas in the other hand should be Island to Large Island, but not higher. Therefore, Asta should be strong enough to damage him if not stronger than him

And even if Meliodas somehow is stronger, Asta's Black Divider bypasses Durability so it's even easier for him to harm Mel than just being stronger.

Unfair speed Advantage + Durability Negation + Regeneration Negation + Soul Manipulation to an extent + Precognition + Anti-Magic + Causality Manipulation + arguably AP and Durability advantage. If speed was equalized, I could argue that Mel wins via skill advantage but that's not the case so.....

How is Asta supposed to lose?

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The problem i see is asta needs to cut all 7 (or 6. i forgot) of meliodas hearts that he has no knowledge of.

And moves like revenge counter make that already difficult task harder.

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@nootherpurpose1: Black Divider is large enough to take 2 or 3 of his hearts at a time

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@epsilonr:

-Far stronger than Neige who brought a snow storm across a whole city

A snow storm covering a city isn't even close to city level unless it destroyed the city.

-Finral stated Yami destroyed mountains when he clashed with Jack

Without the feats to back it up, that statement is dubious.

-Tanked and Reflected a fireball that could destroy a large mountain

Can I see this feat?

-Stronger to Luck who brought a Thunderstorm across a whole city

Again, not city level unless the city is destroyed.

You can even say that Asta is Country level

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-Defeated the Fire Salamander, which is stated to be able to vaporize the sea with one attack

Yet it has no feats that come even close to backing that up.

-Stronger than Lumiere who defeated the giant Demon. Same demon is hundreds of times bigger than large mountains so he should be Island/Large Island by size alone.

Asta isn't stronger than Lumiere... The demon isn't hundreds of times bigger than large mountains either. It is the height of a really large mountain, but mass wise it is smaller.

-That same demon also brought a storm across the country and threatened to destroy the country with one attack.

We don't know if the entire country would have been destroyed, but Asta isn't on the level of that demon, Lumiere, or any of the god tiers. He is low captain level, and one of the elves that gave Yami a run for his money was only going to destroy a town with her strongest attack.
So while an argument can be made for the god tiers of BC being small country level, Asta isn't one of them. He is only so good in his verse due to his magic negation and high physical strength and speed.

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#43  Edited By chicken108

Meliodas could effortlessly one shot if he has a power level of 32,500 and beyond. While meliodas being incomparable in terms of strength and overall durability, it seems like Asta is faster than light while current meliodas is probably Relativistic+ and maybe even light speed but Asta would be able to blitz Meliodas. If speed is equalized though, Meliodas would stomp Asta due to having massively superior strength and durability, and also having Abilities that are extremely hard to counter like, Hellblaze which literally won't be able to be put out unless you are someone as magically powerful as merlin, Hellblaze is literally an ability that can permanently damage immortals and leave massive scars on people like Ban who can shrug off being blown to nothing and almost instantly regenerate. Another troubling ability that Meliodas has would be revenge counter which would be a last resort, even then depending on how much damage Meliodas absorbs, he will send it all back in one strike at Asta instantly killing him or at the very least heavily injuring him. Full counter is useless because Asta don't use any magic. One thousand divine cuts would absolutely destroy Asta if the speed was equalized, because Meliodas literally cuts you over one thousand times in one second, due to Meliodas having much superior strength, Asta would get sliced like butter. Meliodas can also instantly regenerate from fatal wounds using his darkness regeneration and Asta can't counter this one either. Trillion dark is also an attack so fast that even the demon king was nowhere near being able to react to it, in a speed equalized matchup that attack would one shot Asta no problem. If the speed wasn't equalized and Asta is FTL then it is a tossup because Meliodas has so many god damn abilities and is vastly superior in every other way except speed, but in a speed equalized battle though Asta would get his ass kicked completely.

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@epsilonr: The only thing keeping Meliodas from absolutely destroying Asta is his speed, every other stat Meliodas is massively superior in.

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@revold: Not really true if the speed is equalized

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Asta blitzes and solos the NNT verse. Light speed/FTL GG.

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Asta. Asta is faster, he can negate all his magic, he has precog (ki) and he can fly. I see some stupid ppl on here saying that Mel can use full counter and revenge counter on him, but Asta literally has anti magic smh it wouldn't work. Asta is battle smart so he'll figure out how Mel fights so he wouldn't get to close. And wit ki he maybe will be able to sense he has 7 hearts so he would target those, wit Black Divider he could stay at a distance but also attack Mel and take out his 7 hearts.

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@samsaknight: Meliodas. Meliodas is also fast, he actually surprised Ludociel (lightspeed) when he suddenly pop up in front of him statistically saying, he will be MUCH faster now since he got the power of the Demon King. Meliodas is 3000+ years old meaning, he can also "predict" the incoming moves of the enemy since he was fighting for the most of his life. The revenge counter is counted as magic (emits the stored damage taken) but full counter isn't, it's a ability/technic that allow the user to reflect the incoming magic attacks, considering Black Divider because it is a spell or more likely an item that is accompanied by magic (Anti-magic is counted as a magic), Meliodas can counter that sword and that is shown when Chandler (can also full counter) countered King's increase (Chastiefol's form{it's a sacred treasure, technically a weapon}). If all of these are still not enough, Meliodas actually have an original ability and its called "Overdrive", it can obliterate ANYTHING and it was shown when Meliodas desintegrated the Demon King's arm which is a GOD.

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Meliodas for now. Asta's faster but not strong enough.

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Base Mel va base asta = Mel wins in the long run

assault mode Mel vs half demon form asta= asta in the long run

DK Mel vs current asta = Mel mid diff do asta being faster