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#1 Edited by EmperorThanos- (16029 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a sort of test thread, I want to see where vine places Black Clover characters. This is a thread I have made for several anime characters over the years.

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Gauntlet

1. Edward

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2. Izuku

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3. Gon

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4. Oga

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5.Ichigo

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6. Luffy

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7.Yusuke

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8.Meliodas

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9. Saitama

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10. Naruto

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Bonus Rounds

11. Gohan

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12. Toriko

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13. Goku

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Rules

  1. Win by Death/KO/Incap
  2. In character
  3. Random Encounter
  4. No Prior Knowledge
  5. Versions are current unless otherwise stated.
  6. Energies are not equalized.
  7. Asta start fresh every round.
  8. Manga Versions for everyone except DBS.
  9. All battles take place here
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#2 Edited by Raziel2014 (1243 posts) - - Show Bio

stops at Oga, Speed is irrelevant against monster like instinct

Asta and majority of black clover characters are just really fast not exactly strong

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#3 Posted by EmperorThanos- (16029 posts) - - Show Bio

Callouts

Bleach:

@funsiized@princearagorn1@lowlaville@supernategames@redbird3rdboywonder@pierpat@cjdavis103@carter_esque@sophia89@nyas@colliderz@themagicstik@thitiki@theamazingimmortalman@homicidalmaniac@justsomerandomkid@etheral_dreams@jeepeh@andr413@jgames@oceanmaster21@emperorthanos@terrortuga@indomitableregal@koays@kbm@just_banter@cpt_nice@deedubbledee@jiraiya_sageofoil@zill0678@darth_wayne@marczaddy@full123@onepieceverse@f3m1@educated@vooon@azureus

Black Clover:

@americanspeeddemon@alphablt

All Dragon Ball Threads:

@cooldes@darrellacoustic@nighthunder@comicstooge@overlordarhas@princearagorn1@stupid_people@ssj_god@micah@perethorn@cgoodness@frisky4@precrisisbardock@ugivemethelulz@dynamite75@indomitableregal@lejon @deathhero61@tradog@pope052@justsomerandomkid@etheral_dreams@icecold14@hulkage@micah@notatreeabush@dreadpool10@frisky4@pern@jgames@oceanmaster21@newcomer@garrettmana@ugivemethelulz@emperorthanos@jiraiya_sageofoil@zill0678@darth_wayne@cull_obsidian@super_saiyan_devil@onepieceverse@jaycool2@larcadedragneel@thenewguysnm1@chronicplane@superentity@cdiddyman911@vooon@oceanmaster21@hittheassasin@azureus@death2heretics@kingfrieza

Full Metal Alchemist:

@dratini1331@funsiized@sophia89@strictlyanime@princearagorn1@ghostravage@stupid_people@deadpoolvironfist@pierpat@jedixman@cjdavis103@jmarshmallow@koays@rexorr@joewell@pacpanda@jacthripper@jgames@oceanmaster21@emperorthanos@vashtanerada88@newcomer@floopay@garrettmana@nerdchore@dreadpool10@thenaughtytitan@joewell911@koays@just_banter@jiraiya_sageofoil@darth_wayne@kotetsu454@marczaddy@kingcrimson@marty2187@dewin50@exmaster3000@onepieceverse@captain_inverse@jaycool2@educated@larcadedragneel@chronicplane@alphablt@vooon@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps@king_hellstorm

Hunter x Hunter:

@dratini1331@knightofzero@shenkuei@ssj_god@nyas@ancient_0f_days@etheral_dreams@andr413@rexorr@darthaznable@newcomer@garrettmana@thenaughtytitan@just_banter@kbm@zill0678@darth_wayne@emperorthanos@superdrummer@life_without_progress@onepieceverse@alphablt@vooon@back_stabbath95@fc_tsukihanami@oceanmaster21@chronicplane@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps

My Hero Academia

@garrettmana@joewell911@emperorthanos@just_banter@jaycool2@americanspeeddemon@alphablt@vooon@chronicplane@gilgameshthepimptoendallpimps@gearsecond659@danieldaripper

Naruto:

@the_imperator@dratini1331@homicidalmaniac@funsiized@sync1@princearagorn1@ratava@nighthunder@redbird3rdboywonder@sophia89@tohoma@theamazingimmortalman@thitiki@justsomerandomkid@cjdavis103@ssj_god@nyas@etheral_dreams@hulkage@rexorr@cgoodness@andr413@jgames@oceanmaster21@passingthrough545@emperorthanos@oceanmaster21@newcomer@garrettmana@parichithayerakala@nerdchore@jdg@kcminato@indomitableregal@lejon@just_banter@jiraiya_sageofoil@marczaddy@syclone903@onepieceverse@jaycool2@nobunaga101@heirtothekingdom@sistergrimm2099@sladerulez@darthjhawk@f3m1@larcadedragneel@vooon@chaos239@kasya_carey@rac95@azureus@conner_wolf@death2heretics

One Piece:

@dratini1331@darrellacoustic@homicidalmaniac@pierpat@funsiized@princearagorn1@cooldes@jmarshmallow@ghostravage@nighthunder@lowlaville@redbird3rdboywonder@cjdavis103@ssj_god@rexorr@pacpanda@jacthripper@stormking1221@garrettmana@terrortuga@cor_tsar@full123@cgoodness:@leo-343@just_banter@agentsandman@jiraiya_sageofoil@spidey_jackson@cull_obsidian@marczaddy@youngkaiser@onepieceverse@jaycool2@heirtothekingdom@larcadedragneel@thenewguysnm1@chronicplane@vooon@back_stabbath95@hittheassasin@gearsecond659

One Punch Man:

@cjdavis103@homicidalmaniac@redbird3rdboywonder@justsomerandomkid@killemall@etheral_dreams@unbreakable_fs4@sightlessreality@beware_my_power@andr413@jgames@joewell@emperorthanos@newcomer@limitlessedge@garrettmana@toratorn@pierpat@dreadpool10@khael@bullettimer@kcminato@joewell911@dygoboy@life_without_progress@jiraiya_sageofoil@just_banter@lejon@kbm@jucaslucasa@darth_wayne@onepieceverse@jaycool2@demohardt@educated@thenewguysnm1@deepspacehomer@airgetlam@vooon@chaos239@hittheassasin@unlimited1@azureus@chronicplane@god_vulcan

YuYu Hasuko:

@indiecomicsftw@princearagorn1@fallschirmjager@carter_esque@cgoodness@oceanmaster21@floopay@indomitableregal@zill0678@sirfizzwhizz@onepieceverse@educated@vooon

Toriko:

@princearagorn1@thitiki@cjdavis103@nyas@pern@jgames@emperorthanos@jiraiya_sageofoil@darth_wayne@leo-343@hittheassasin@deathhero61@jaycool2@nobunaga101@larcadedragneel@superentity@vooon@hittheassasin@death2heretics@god_vulcan

Seven Deadly Sins:

@nelomaxwell@passingthrough545@nerdchore@emperorthanos@koays@lejon@jiraiya_sageofoil@darth_wayne@sirfizzwhizz@kotetsu454@kingcrimson@deathhero61@just_banter@lowlaville@thitiki@jaycool2@airgetlam@vooon@hittheassasin@chronicplane@god_vulcan

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#4 Posted by Azureus (2499 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't read or watched black clover. Feats for Asta?

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#5 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (17143 posts) - - Show Bio

There's no way he gets even close to the HST levels of combat.........maybe I'm missing something...

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#6 Posted by americanspeeddemon (7113 posts) - - Show Bio

@ancient_0f_days: He has similar levels of speed but his anti magic hax is too crucial for his fighting style. He can beat everyone up until ichigo (barring Oga who i don't know) easily but i'm not sure if he can hurt ichigo severly if at all.

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#7 Posted by Primez0ne (9808 posts) - - Show Bio

Considering his reaction/combat speed he makes it easily to round 5. I'm not sure about Ichigo's durability or dc, but I'm pretty sure his EoS version may be too much in terms of physicals if Asta can't drain/reflect his spiritual energy.

@emperorthanos-: Is the version based on the picture? Because if it's Fullbring Ichigo I could see Asta making it to round 6 where he hard stops.

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#8 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: Asta is FTL, he has two swords, both can cut through any kind of non-physical attacks (ie: magic), one is heavy and bulky and one is light and he can swing it faster. He's got a demonic transformation which basically takes his sword's power of deflecting/nullifying magic and it covers his body with it. He also has a less-than-decent precog.

Overall, he's very strong also the manga freaking rocks. I read it up-to-date 2 or so months ago so I hope I'm not missing anything big.

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#9 Posted by EmperorThanos- (16029 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Posted by Malzahaar (1001 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't Asta like LS or close?

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#11 Posted by HitTheAssasin (7871 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure EoS Ichigo should be above Luffy.

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#12 Posted by Unlimited1 (944 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure EoS Ichigo should be above Luffy.

And Saitama should be above Naruto.

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#13 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by Unlimited1 (944 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@unlimited1: Because Naruto is more powerful than Saitama and more dangerous.

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#16 Posted by Unlimited1 (944 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: He isn't even close to Saitama in raw power, why do you believe he is more dangerous?

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#17 Posted by EmperorThanos- (16029 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Edited by Claymore_Fools (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Aren't the stronger black clover characters faster than everybody on this gauntlet apart from the bonuses? So Asta is FTL?

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#20 Posted by kasya_carey (5525 posts) - - Show Bio

He might not have the dc but the speed is down packed.

Any good hax on him?

He might be able to get them with that. He would take forever to harm them and especially with some of them have good piercing durability.

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#21 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1-4: Asta stomp

Round 5: EoS Ichigo could potentially be a problem to put down via durability, but Asta has insane stamina and greater speed so he should win.

Round 6: Same as R5. Asta isn't getting tagged but he can probably outlast him in an extended fight

Round 7: Don't know enough about Yusuke to say

Round 8: Probably an easy win, Mel is durable and even more so with his darkness, but Asta should be able to cleave right through it due to his sword's negation effect. Asta also out-speeds

Round 9: Stops here IMO. Saitama has too much physical damage resistance and I don't think Asta could hurt him. Saitama doesn't rely on anything but physical force and 1 punch would be enough to put Asta down unfortunately

*Round 10: Would clear this pretty easily if given the chance. He's faster and he'd cleave right through any chakra cloak or chakra defense. Adult Naruto getting pierced through the stomach by Shin is enough for me to believe that Asta could clear. UNLESS sexy jutsu. He's just a kid so that'd be pretty effective not gonna lie lol

Bonus rounds: Asta gets stomped. He can't fly and the bonus characters are too fast and powerful for him.

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#22 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: I want to reread the manga in case I missed anything or misinterpreted anything maybe in a week or so. I don't like CaVs because they're not debates to change the mind of the other debater, they're debates meant to change the mind of an impartial audience. I like coming to a consensus with the person I'm debating with.

I'd gladly have a convo with you in pms though

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#24 Posted by Azureus (2499 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: Asta is FTL, he has two swords, both can cut through any kind of non-physical attacks (ie: magic), one is heavy and bulky and one is light and he can swing it faster. He's got a demonic transformation which basically takes his sword's power of deflecting/nullifying magic and it covers his body with it. He also has a less-than-decent precog.

Overall, he's very strong also the manga freaking rocks. I read it up-to-date 2 or so months ago so I hope I'm not missing anything big.

How much can he dish out? Striking, DC and etc. How much can he take?

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#25 Edited by Jmarshmallow (13840 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparently I really need to watch Black Clover....

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#26 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmarshmallow: Please for the love of all things holy do not watch the anime. The MC's voice is SOO cringey and horrible. Just read the Manga its much better

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#27 Posted by LUFFYISKING (209 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably stops at 6. I bet Luffy can solo the verse.

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#28 Posted by americanspeeddemon (7113 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmarshmallow: anime isn't as bad as a lot of people say but the manga is better.

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#29 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@americanspeeddemon: Asta's sword could probably absorb the demon fruit powers. How strong/fast is Luffy depowered?

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#30 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio
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#31 Posted by IndomitableRegal (15641 posts) - - Show Bio

Zero Black Clover knowledge.

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#32 Posted by Just_Banter (12351 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know Oga, so discounting him he stops at Ichigo. Asta's faster than Ichigo but his durability and DC are trash compared to his.

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#33 Posted by Tetsujin (151 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Yami would have been more interesting to discuss, since his dimension slicer attack specifically ignores durability, and he's FTL.

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#34 Posted by Djoss (557 posts) - - Show Bio

Asta stop at 5 Ichigo, but i see him beating 6 Luffy.

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#35 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (7153 posts) - - Show Bio

@americanspeeddemon: Asta's sword could probably absorb the demon fruit powers. How strong/fast is Luffy depowered?

Lol what?

Also as someone who has read Black Clover since it came out, I can tell you for certain that Aster isn't getting past Ichigo

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#36 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@redbird3rdboywonder: I started reading it again, I’m about 1/3 the Way through. He’s definitely FTL and also has his own anti-magic getsuga tensho, no joke

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#37 Edited by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@redbird3rdboywonder: oh, demon fruit are kinda described as curses, you eat the fruit and you’re cursed with this amazing demon fruit power. Well asta can remove curses and other effects by touching you with the hilt of one of his swords

Also, I know I don't need to tell you this, but if all of Ichigo's DC is getting nulled and he can't actually hit asta with his sword because asta is hundreds of times faster than him, I don't know how Ichigo is going to win

Also I think we need to talk about Asta's Ki sensing because that's technically a decent precog

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#38 Posted by ovy7 (2631 posts) - - Show Bio

@pmcinelly784: Energies are not equlized, so Asta won't be able to null things like Ichigo's Getsuga or ninjutsu. And even if they were, EoS Shikai Ichigo is as strong as his Dangai form which was vaporizing hills with just the air pressure of his parries. Can Asta tank something like that?

Also, what's Asta's stamina like? Because Arrancar Arc Ichigo fought continuously for the better part of 3 months against Zangetsu fused with Hichigo.

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#39 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7: I don't think you get how Asta's nullification works. His power isn't stopped when it meets an equal power, it nullifies the power and goes right through it. It would swallow up and nullify all of ichigo's projected powers.

Ichigo's best speed feat is Mach 3000, Asta's best speed feat is FTL which is over Mach 874030. He completely dwarfs him in speed. He's comparable to a Squad captain, one of which (the captain of the green mantis) chopped a mountain in half just because another captain was annoying him.

Asta's durability is pretty good. The same guy who used a whip to destroy a mountain hit him multiple times and he was still able to fight.

Also I don't know if Ichigo fighting with Zangetsu really counts as a stamina feat because it was all in his head, but He should be able to blitz the heck out of ichigo with null-firepower until ichigo is completely depowered or until he can KO him at the least.

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#40 Edited by ovy7 (2631 posts) - - Show Bio

@pmcinelly784: From what I've read on this thread, Asta power null works on magic, but because OP didn't equalize the energies, reiatsu =/= magic, so Asta won't be able to null Ichigo's energy attacks. It's like saying that someone capable of absorbing chakra would be able to absorb Ki, even though they are different things. This is what I was going for.

Figures. I've heard that the Black Clover characters are LS or FTL, so I've expected Asta to be around that lol. Didn't know about the mountain thing, as I've heard that the top tiers are only city level at best.

It should count, considering that the wounds Ichigo got also appeared on his body IRL. Also, BoS Shikai Ichigo fought for 5 days and nights against Urahara, so it probably isn't a stretch to say that a much much stronger Ichigo can do the same for months.

Anyway, if Asta is indeed LS or FTL, none of the characters (until the bonus round) would be able to hit him, so this becomes a battle of attrition.

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#41 Posted by ANTHP2000 (25704 posts) - - Show Bio

I came in expecting Ass Ketchup.

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#42 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: If you watch the anime, you'll get as much as you need.

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#44 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7: Squad captains are casually around mountain level casually via feats, probably higher though.

It's a very fast verse. A bunch of squad captains were teleported hundreds and hundreds of km away made it back to the fight in minutes. Asta dodges & deflects ls attacks, and blitzes someone else who was traveling LS on a separate occasion.

Asta can basically fight until he's incapped, I don't know if he has a week-long feat like Ichigo (I'm rereading and I'm only ch 64 right now). He does rock-lee-like training with 1000 1-handed pushups, 1000 situps, etc. I'll say it's very possible that he could get beaten down pretty quickly if he is constantly taking hits, but I doubt he'd take any hits w/ his Ki sensing and insane speed.

As for the whole reiatsu =/= magic, I think standard rules include verse equalization but I get where you're coming from. Almost nobody would pass this gauntlet if there was no verse equalization, because different verses have different magic systems, some use chakra, some ki, some reiatsu. Without equalization theres really no point in fighting because it would be a stomp. Does that make sense?

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#45 Posted by pmcinelly784 (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

^Meliodas'es full counter for example is stated to only work on magical attacks. Chakra isn't magic, neither is reiatsu, if meliodas ran this gauntlet he'd lose pretty quickly

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#46 Posted by ovy7 (2631 posts) - - Show Bio

@pmcinelly784: Yeah, I guess it makes sense. Without energy equalization, you could even argue that Gon or Ichigo would Nen/Soul crush Asta because he doesn't have nen/reiatsu.

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#47 Posted by Omni_Wazzy (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Round 6 with Luffy soloing the verse using Gear second.

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#48 Posted by ShadowPro (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm 100% sure he's never gonna make it to the bonus rouhd

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#49 Edited by FlashingSabre (3814 posts) - - Show Bio

What the hell is this Lightspeed Asta nonsense? He can aim-dodge/block lightspeed attacks using his Ki Sensing. He's not the freaking Flash here.

He probably stops at Adult Gon, since he can't survive a charged Rock punch.

At best, he makes it to Ichigo and gets one-shot by a basic Shikai Getsuga Tenshou.

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#50 Posted by FaradaySloth (8437 posts) - - Show Bio

List out of order.

Ichigo>Luffy and maybe Yusuke

He stops at 3 if he gets hit by Gon super punch but otherwise stops at 4

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