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#1 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Vigilantes

Arkham Batman
Arkham Batman

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CW Green Arrow
CW Green Arrow

VS

Team Soliders

MCU Captain America
MCU Captain America

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Sam Fisher
Sam Fisher

Match Info

Teams have 100% Team Work

Standard Morals, However Cap has WWII Morals

Win by either Death or KO

Versions

Everyone get Tie-in Comics Feats and Novel Feats (Yes, even Sam has Comics)

No Assault on Arkham unless Stated

Gear

Batman has Arkham City Gear Set, no Game Mechanics for Gear

Arrow has Current Armor, but Season 1 Arrows

Captain America has AOU Armor, Shield Magnet, Night Vision Goggles, Shield, Five/Seven (With Silencer, 5 Extended Mags) and a Uzi (2 Clips)

Sam has a Panther Orientated Load out from Blacklist.

Teammates have Coms with each other AND their Tech Gurus (Team Vigilante Get Arkham Oracle and Felicity, Team Solider get Grim and Charlee, Cap's Com is in the style of how Sam's is)

Map

Takes place at your typical New York City Street, at Night. Start 50 Feet Away out of Sight.

Round 1: No Assualt on Arkham Feats

Round 2: Assault on Arkham Feats Allow, Team Vigilante get Arsenal, Team Solider get MCU Black Widow and Briggs (Roy, Natasha and Briggs all have Standard Gear)

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#2 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

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#3 Posted by AllHailSkeletor (780 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh God that's a good one. Especially since you added Sam in here. But I'll have to say team one only because it has Arkham Batman who is an unstoppable force of God.

I think bats and Sam should've teamed up. That would've been awesome.

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#4 Posted by AllStarSuperman (42884 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll go with team 2

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#5 Edited by TheSilentRipper (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 : It could go either way, but Team 1 because Cap is not good as stealth as the other 3

Round 2 : You added Natasha and Briggs, and just Arsenal to team 1, so team 2 wins with ease

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#6 Posted by JohnCena69swag (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1. Arkham batman is borderline god.

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#7 Edited by Pokeysteve (12011 posts) - - Show Bio

They start out of sight. Batman grapples to rooftop. Watches them with detective vision and disables their firearms with the disruptor.

He throws smoke, glides down and silently takes out Sam.

I believe he can beat Cap in a straight up fight since he beat a Deathstroke that was casually jumping 15ft in the air. Whether or not he chooses to use Ollie is up to him.

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#8 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 : It could go either way, but Team 1 because Cap is not good as stealth as the other 3

Round 2 : You added Natasha and Briggs, and just Arsenal to team 1, so team 2 wins with ease

But Arkham Batman gets Assault on Arkham feats R2, which gives him the feats of beating the Suicide Squad, who included Deadshot.

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#9 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

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#10 Posted by hatemalingsia (15494 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting.

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#11 Edited by Batman3000 (5648 posts) - - Show Bio

They start out idle sight. Batman grapples to rooftop. Watches them with detective vision and disables their firearms with the disruptor.

He throws smoke, glides down and silently takes out Sam.

I believe he can beat Cap in a straight up fight since he beat a Deathstroke that was casually jumping 15ft in the air. Whether or not he chooses to use Ollie is up to him.

I could actually see this happening.

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#12 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

They start out idle sight. Batman grapples to rooftop. Watches them with detective vision and disables their firearms with the disruptor.

He throws smoke, glides down and silently takes out Sam.

I believe he can beat Cap in a straight up fight since he beat a Deathstroke that was casually jumping 15ft in the air. Whether or not he chooses to use Ollie is up to him.

I could actually see this happening.

Oh really now? Might have to change that Opinion soon >:)

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#13 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

They start out idle sight. Batman grapples to rooftop. Watches them with detective vision and disables their firearms with the disruptor.

He throws smoke, glides down and silently takes out Sam.

I believe he can beat Cap in a straight up fight since he beat a Deathstroke that was casually jumping 15ft in the air. Whether or not he chooses to use Ollie is up to him.

Are Captain America and Sam Fisher really that helpless? With his signature goggles, Sam could never lose sight of Batman, and for his part Captain America wouldn't just allow Batman to leave. He can easily sever the grapple line with a shield toss, thus putting Batman in a very precarious position as he glides down. Going straight for a grapple with no cover for himself would be a very untactical move on Bruce's part, it's not realistic.

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#14 Posted by Batman3000 (5648 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: You might be interested, but I'm about to do a Sam Fisher vs Arkham Batman debate, just though I mention that

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#16 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by Pokeysteve (12011 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

They start out idle sight. Batman grapples to rooftop. Watches them with detective vision and disables their firearms with the disruptor.

He throws smoke, glides down and silently takes out Sam.

I believe he can beat Cap in a straight up fight since he beat a Deathstroke that was casually jumping 15ft in the air. Whether or not he chooses to use Ollie is up to him.

Are Captain America and Sam Fisher really that helpless? With his signature goggles, Sam could never lose sight of Batman, and for his part Captain America wouldn't just allow Batman to leave. He can easily sever the grapple line with a shield toss, thus putting Batman in a very precarious position as he glides down. Going straight for a grapple with no cover for himself would be a very untactical move on Bruce's part, it's not realistic.

No, Arkham Batman is really that capable. Cap isn't going to be throwing his shield at anything. They start out of sight and never see him coming. Read the OP. It's within his gear and abilities to handle this by himself.

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#18 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Posted by NinjaWarrior268 (11978 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously, Batman solos this

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#20 Edited by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio
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#21 Posted by Pokeysteve (12011 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

What about them? Batman neutralizes his weapons and Sam isn't beating him in h2h. It's also not out of the question that Batman can't disable the goggles too. His gear can mess with goggles in Arkham City.

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#22 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously, Batman solos this

Sam is better at stealth. The environments he's infiltrated are actually quantifiable (the CIA) and his gear is just as advanced, but more specifically tailored to stealth.

Captain America is superior head-to-head. He's simply far too strong for Batman to keep up with, when Batman has never fought anyone on his level before (no Slade doesn't count, Slade has no feats).

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#23 Edited by AllStarHit-Girl (697 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Sam's done better then the CIA (which he did somewhat hitman style with disguises). He's snuck into the Japanese equivalent to third echelon, the ISDF, during war time where it was filled with extra security. He's snuck into Third Echelon itself, when it was filled with active Splinter Cells. He's snuck into the white house, when he was grounded by Black Arrow, the world's biggest PMC, and snuck through it when it was filled with Splinter Cells looking for him.

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#24 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@AllStarHit-Girl: Yeah exactly.

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#25 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

What about them? Batman neutralizes his weapons and Sam isn't beating him in h2h. It's also not out of the question that Batman can't disable the goggles too. His gear can mess with goggles in Arkham City.

Sam's Weapons are Custom Made, and Batman can't Jam Deadshot's Custom Made Guns, Sam's should be no different. And for the Googles, Batman only counter NV Googles, which was by standing still, never did he counter Sonar Googles

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#26 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

What about them? Batman neutralizes his weapons and Sam isn't beating him in h2h. It's also not out of the question that Batman can't disable the goggles too. His gear can mess with goggles in Arkham City.

That disruptor is a complete game mechanic. Firearms aren't electronic, it's illogical that Batman could devise a gadget that somehow shuts them off remotely. If I remember correctly, the firearm jammer is merely a potential upgrade for the gadget that disrupts Mr. Freeze's freeze gun in the story, AKA 100% gameplay abstract. Batman isn't upgrading his weapons in the middle of the city.

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#27 Posted by Pokeysteve (12011 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

What about them? Batman neutralizes his weapons and Sam isn't beating him in h2h. It's also not out of the question that Batman can't disable the goggles too. His gear can mess with goggles in Arkham City.

Sam's Weapons are Custom Made, and Batman can't Jam Deadshot's Custom Made Guns, Sam's should be no different. And for the Googles, Batman only counter NV Googles, which was by standing still, never did he counter Sonar Googles

I don't remember it saying he couldn't jam his gun because it was custom made (like Freeze's gun that the thing was built for) but that's ok. Let's go with it. What's Sam's answer for freeze grenades? The Reverse Batarang? The remote control Batarang? The Electric gun? What stops Batman from simply grapnel hooking his gun away from him? There are a dozen ways for Batman to beat these two by himself. Adding Ollie makes this a mismatch.

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#28 Posted by MonsterStomp (36674 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1. Sam is a major weak link.

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#29 Posted by MonsterStomp (36674 posts) - - Show Bio

@ninjawarrior268 said:

Seriously, Batman solos this

Sam is better at stealth. The environments he's infiltrated are actually quantifiable (the CIA) and his gear is just as advanced, but more specifically tailored to stealth.

Sam has a tactical approach to stealth, Batman can outright disappear and move before people can react.

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#30 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:
@ninjawarrior268 said:

Seriously, Batman solos this

Sam is better at stealth. The environments he's infiltrated are actually quantifiable (the CIA) and his gear is just as advanced, but more specifically tailored to stealth.

Sam has a tactical approach to stealth, Batman can outright disappear and move before people can react.

So who's better at using it to win a fight?

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#31 Posted by Pokeysteve (12011 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

OP says Arkham City gear and that's part of his Arkham City gear. I agree with you with that thing disabling guns though. Very cool and techy but the dumbest part of the series. The large angry crocodile man sits better with me.

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#32 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

OP says Arkham City gear and that's part of his Arkham City gear. I agree with you with that thing disabling guns though. Very cool and techy but the dumbest part of the series. The large angry crocodile man sits better with me.

But the OP specifically says "no game mechanics for gear." That means no upgrades, it's just Batman's standard gear.

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#33 Posted by Pokeysteve (12011 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

To be honest I had no idea what a "game mechanic" is. Fair enough. Refer to post 27. Batman still has many ways to win here.

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#34 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

To be honest I had no idea what a "game mechanic" is. Fair enough. Refer to post 27. Batman still has many ways to win here.

On it.

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@Pokeysteve said:

What about them? Batman neutralizes his weapons and Sam isn't beating him in h2h. It's also not out of the question that Batman can't disable the goggles too. His gear can mess with goggles in Arkham City.

Sam's Weapons are Custom Made, and Batman can't Jam Deadshot's Custom Made Guns, Sam's should be no different. And for the Googles, Batman only counter NV Googles, which was by standing still, never did he counter Sonar Googles

I don't remember it saying he couldn't jam his gun because it was custom made (like Freeze's gun that the thing was built for) but that's ok. Let's go with it. What's Sam's answer for freeze grenades? The Reverse Batarang? The remote control Batarang? The Electric gun? What stops Batman from simply grapnel hooking his gun away from him? There are a dozen ways for Batman to beat these two by himself. Adding Ollie makes this a mismatch.

What's to stop Sam from just dodging most of this stuff? None of these attacks are infallible, instantaneous perfect techniques or anything. Freeze grenades, batarangs, electric shocks and the grapple can actually be sidestepped by normal thugs when they see it coming. Batman is just throwing most of this stuff, hardly an advanced attack.

If anything, Sam is at the weaponry advantage, since he uses GUNS. When Batman encounters firearms, he can usually depend on a stealthy approach to catch his opponent by surprise. Not with Sam, Sam Fisher is THE stealth expert. Both fighters have the equipment to immediately detect each other in a stealth fight, but that just means Batman won't be able to hide and will have no defense for Sam's firearms. He has body armor, but prolonged fire can still kill him. And how is he going to dodge when he'll also be in the middle of fist fighting a super soldier?

I can buy team 1 winning this, but the idea of Batman soloing is preposterous when you consider his limitations. He's physically inferior to Captain America, and can't use stealth on Sam. Those are significant disadvantages.

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#35 Edited by AllStarHit-Girl (697 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Batman dealing with Sam's gun?

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He's not.

Sam blows his brains out.

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Here Sam guns down 16 Splinter Cells. He's not sneaking around, in canon, he is literally just running and gunning through them.

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#36 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (14858 posts) - - Show Bio

Agent 47 kills them all. Lol jk team 1

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#37 Posted by MonsterStomp (36674 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp said:
@nickzambuto said:
@ninjawarrior268 said:

Seriously, Batman solos this

Sam is better at stealth. The environments he's infiltrated are actually quantifiable (the CIA) and his gear is just as advanced, but more specifically tailored to stealth.

Sam has a tactical approach to stealth, Batman can outright disappear and move before people can react.

So who's better at using it to win a fight?

Hard to say.

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#38 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Another thing to point out, Even if you consider A.Batman a Bullet Timer, the only solid feat he has of this is him blocking HAND GUN fire for Black Mask, He has nothing to suggest he can dodge Sub-Machine Fire let alone Sniper Fire from Sam

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#39 Posted by Pokeysteve (12011 posts) - - Show Bio

What's to stop Sam from just dodging most of this stuff? None of these attacks are infallible, instantaneous perfect techniques or anything. Freeze grenades, batarangs, electric shocks and the grapple can actually be sidestepped by normal thugs when they see it coming. Batman is just throwing most of this stuff, hardly an advanced attack.

If anything, Sam is at the weaponry advantage, since he uses GUNS. When Batman encounters firearms, he can usually depend on a stealthy approach to catch his opponent by surprise. Not with Sam, Sam Fisher is THE stealth expert. Both fighters have the equipment to immediately detect each other in a stealth fight, but that just means Batman won't be able to hide and will have no defense for Sam's firearms. He has body armor, but prolonged fire can still kill him. And how is he going to dodge when he'll also be in the middle of fist fighting a super soldier?

I can buy team 1 winning this, but the idea of Batman soloing is preposterous when you consider his limitations. He's physically inferior to Captain America, and can't use stealth on Sam. Those are significant disadvantages.

I agree Sam can sidestep the standard Batarang and REC rounds but that's it. The freeze grenade has a large blast radius which will trap his feet at the least. He's not avoiding anything after that. I doubt he'll be able to avoid the reverse Batarang either. He'll sidestep it and then it'll crack him in the back of the head.

Batman's armour can handle A LOT of machine gun fire. Sam is pictured with a side arm here. What else is incorporated into the "Panther Oriented Loadout"?

Cap is going to be lost in smoke while their fight goes down. Possibly stuck in a block of ice.

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#40 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve: I disagree. The blast radius of the freeze grenade isn't huge at all. If Sam can't sidestep it, a leap or a roll will do enough. That would be his natural reaction to seeing a grenade anyway. Unless Sam is stunned or distracted, Batman has no way of hitting him, but since Sam is the one with true firepower here, it'll be Batman stuck on the run, not the other way around.

The reverse batarang is a possibility but would it really take Sam out immediately? Not likely. He'll get over it, assuming Batman is able to find enough rest in the midst of automatic gunfire to even pull it off. You're just not giving Sam enough credit, he's not canon fodder. Batman won't have the opportunity to just casually try out any piece of equipment he wants while Sam stands around; Sam will be firing and Batman will be on the run. And smoke doesn't last forever, in order to possibly solo, Batman would need to defeat Sam before the smoke clears, otherwise he'll have Cap in the game too, and Batman can not possibly defend against them both. And Batman just isn't on a level where he can take out Sam Fisher in merely a couple seconds. He'll have a hard enough time just avoiding the gunfire, since stealth isn't an option with Sam's goggles.

Now how much gunfire could Batman take before he's down? It only took 4 or 5 pistol shots into his torso to knock him down in Origins, and that game featured his heaviest armor yet. It's not enough to kill him, but if he's on his knees stunned in pain, Sam will just continue unloading on him.

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#41 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve: Just would like to note, Sam has broken thicker ice than a Ice Grenade could possible have.

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#42 Posted by NeonGameWave (19333 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

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#44 Posted by Bullet_to_the_Head (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

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#45 Posted by Pr0tocol (904 posts) - - Show Bio

Nick did a complete 180 on Batman.

Team 2

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#46 Posted by lubub55 (12832 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#47 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Ollie is the weakling here and Cap Vs Batman would take a while.

Sam shoots Ollie and helps Cap out.

Team Cap wins.

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#49 Posted by ANTHP2000 (24934 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Arkham Batman not soloing?

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#50 Posted by lubub55 (12832 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Arkham Batman not soloing?

Because he's arguably the worst fighter here. Certainly below either of his opponents.