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#1 Edited by Life_Without_Progress (16315 posts) - - Show Bio
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Ares & Circe (Post Crisis & Post Flashpoint)

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Hela & Loki

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place within a neutral dimension

Who'd win? For what reasons?

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#3 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki solostomps.

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#4 Posted by Pokeysteve (11883 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know enough about Hela to weigh in here but Ares should be able to handle Loki. Not sure what Circe contributes. She's more of a prep master.

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#5 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

Here are spme good feats Hela has done.

She stomped Thor.

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Does it again.

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And again.

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She has easily defeated Borr, who was matching against Odin-Force Thor.

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Speaking of Bor, Loki easily killed him and then resuerrected him.

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She has defeated Hell-Lord level beings like Asmodeus and Blackheart.

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She showed enough power to prevent Odin from dying.

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Transmutates person's hand into glass and calls it a parlor trick.

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Thor's attacks can't destroy Hela's forcefield.

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Clea, Wanda and Strange are nothing to Hela.

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She was responsible of creation of special sword that can kill Odin, while in odinsleep.

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Easily restrains Kurse.

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Hela's battle against Mephisto would make the Ragnorak ''Pale in Comparison'' and even cause an ''Omniversal Armageddon'':

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But anyways Loki is by far the most powerful being here.

He can defeat all 3 of them handily.

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#6 Posted by foxerdes (8164 posts) - - Show Bio

Any Ares experts?

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#7 Posted by noah_ouellette (2984 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: eh I wouldn't say expert but I've used him in some tourneys. He should Clear here. Alone. His lowest showings are losing to WW. while at peak darkseid doesn't want to go up against him.(in Injustice they work together). Now while the WW showings are low she usually does it with godwave. But ares is sitting at higher skyfather levels. I know a bit about Hela and I don't believe she is consistent enough to contend

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#8 Posted by foxerdes (8164 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Posted by noah_ouellette (2984 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: Ares>Hela>>>>>Loki=Circe. the tiers are very different. Ares and Hela are close and then Circe and Loki are very much below them

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#10 Posted by HeirToTheKingdom (9126 posts) - - Show Bio

@noah_ouellette: When was it stated Darkseid doesn't want to go against him?

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#11 Posted by noah_ouellette (2984 posts) - - Show Bio

@heirtothekingdom: I believe it's happened twice. Once pre-crisis and once post crisis. Never new 52 tho

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#12 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

Now some feats for Loki, who is by far the most powerful being here.

Loki is a powerful reality warper capable of altering reality via narration, which essentially means he can manipulate the story itself a.k.a the power of writers.

He also warped and sealed Asgard and Hel in a story sphere.

Note: it is stated that each realms might actually be individual universes.

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Durability wise he tanked an attack from Those-Who-Sit-Above-In-The-Shadows, who are above skyfathers like Odin.

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Draws door to the future via pen outside of the omniverse, where concepts such as time and space don't exist.

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Kills and brings back to life Bor, who was a match for Odin-Force Thor.

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Pre-God of Stories Loki is said to be near equal to Dormammu, by Dormammu himself, and is said to be Thor's greatest foe(even above Hela) by Hercules. And Loki has become much more powerful since then.

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Pre-GoS Loki also created his own Enchantress, who was harnessing a fraction of his power, and she was powerful enough to stalemate Wiccan twice, Wiccan is a powerful reality warper himself said to rival even Scarlet Witch:

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Pre-GoS survives an attack from Surtur.

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Has defeated Doctor Strange in classic era, while in astral form in which he had fraction of his full power.

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Holds Mistress Death against her own will.

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Loki also has high-order matter manipulation and other abilities and feats.

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#13 Posted by PenguinLover (564 posts) - - Show Bio

Here are spme good feats Hela has done.

She stomped Thor.

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Does it again.

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And again.

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She has easily defeated Borr, who was matching against Odin-Force Thor.

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Speaking of Bor, Loki easily killed him and then resuerrected him.

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She has defeated Hell-Lord level beings like Asmodeus and Blackheart.

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She showed enough power to prevent Odin from dying.

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Transmutates person's hand into glass and calls it a parlor trick.

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Thor's attacks can't destroy Hela's forcefield.

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Clea, Wanda and Strange are nothing to Hela.

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She was responsible of creation of special sword that can kill Odin, while in odinsleep.

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Easily restrains Kurse.

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Hela's battle against Mephisto would make the Ragnorak ''Pale in Comparison'' and even cause an ''Omniversal Armageddon'':

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But anyways Loki is by far the most powerful being here.

He can defeat all 3 of them handily.

While team 2 win with moderate difficulty, most of the feats you posted took place in Hela's dimension, where she's practically omnipotent. She's not nearly as strong outside of her dimension as she is inside of it.

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#14 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

@penguinlover:

My knowledge is not that great about Hela, i am more knowledgable about Loki, though.

She's not nearly as strong outside of her dimension as she is inside of it.

Was this confirmed that she is weaker outside of her realm? No idea if she is.

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#15 Posted by HeirToTheKingdom (9126 posts) - - Show Bio

@noah_ouellette: Interesting. Do you think he could actually beat Darkseid.

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#16 Posted by Ouroborik (3054 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_spectrum: If Loki is that powerful how come he can't defeat Thor? Are those unamped feats, for real?

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#17 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

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@lord_spectrum: If Loki is that powerful how come he can't defeat Thor? Are those unamped feats, for real?

Why he can't defeat Thor? Well, he was on verge of defeating him a few times, but in Young Avengers, it is revealed that he loses because he subconsiously warps reality to lose, basically he is his own worst enemy.

Unamped? Yep.

Also Loki is not really amped, he is more become worthy of his true power, like Thor is worthy of Mjolnir, so essentially God of Stories Loki is Worthy Loki.

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#18 Posted by Ouroborik (3054 posts) - - Show Bio

@ouroborik said:

@lord_spectrum: If Loki is that powerful how come he can't defeat Thor? Are those unamped feats, for real?

Why he can't defeat Thor? Well, he was on verge of defeating him a few times, but in Young Avengers, it is revelead that he loses because he subconsiously warps reality to lose, basically he is his own worst enemy.

Unamped? Yep.

Also Loki is not really amped, he is more become worthy of his true power, like Thor is worthy of Mjolnir, so essentially God of Stories Loki is Worthy Loki.

Hmm thats interesting

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#19 Posted by Helloman (11412 posts) - - Show Bio

Team one wins.

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#21 Posted by Tedirey (1884 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_spectrum:

Hello. This is why I think Ares wins.

Without any amps or artifacts and just because of the nature of his powers, Ares can become not just a Universal threat but a serious threat to the HEAVENS himself.

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  • He is also the god of the underworld after he usurped the throne from Hades
  • He has vast reality manipulation powers
  • He can only be hurt by magic and divine powers
  • He knows all martial arts, tactics and strategy since the dawn of time
  • He has complete control of any weapon
  • His powers can surpass a whole pantheon
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#22 Posted by Batvibe12 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Team DC.

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#23 Posted by bowlt_swagg_320 (2080 posts) - - Show Bio

Leaning on Loki and Hela

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#24 Edited by Tedirey (1884 posts) - - Show Bio

Here are some of Circe's feats

Nigh-invulnerable and strong as Wonder Woman

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Her bolts can one-shot KO Wonder Woman and she does it casually in the comfort of her home which is an island away .

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Her powers easily transformed all the male heroes of the earth into her bestiamorphs or were-animals.

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Her city wide force field is nearly impenetrable

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Kills Hermes who's at least equal to speed-force Flash with powers capable of virtually anything except to resurrect the dead since that is the realm of the god of the underworld.. Olympians don't really die. They just go into the realm of Hades.

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#25 Posted by Tedirey (1884 posts) - - Show Bio
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#27 Posted by mr-luxcipher (7593 posts) - - Show Bio

Since he's the odd man/one out per feats posted;

Ares feats/showings:

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When the gods were "killed" by Chronus, they were only so because they believed themselves to be dead. Is stated as the only one with " the strength required to stand against Poseidon and Hades".

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Along with Highfather, Zeus, Jove, and Odin comprises one fifth of The One, while he(along with the rest) are stated as "possessed of vast, incalculable power". Nearly kills Wonder Woman without even fighting/attacking her.

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Manhandles Wonder Woman. Kills Hades.

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Is immune to mortal-weaponry. Can inflict death with a single strike that proves unable to be healed(due to it's godly nature). The only reason his victim lives is that he allows her to.

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Every blow thrown in the heat of combat basically amps him. Can grow to the size equal to Promethean Giants, who for a sense of perspective, just one of their hands "could span a star system"(technically the cloaked figure shown is Mars, but the only difference between Mars and Ares is the former belongs to the Roman pantheon, and the latter the Greek. Otherwise they're the same being, separated at birth/creation).

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Medusa, who's merest stare is enough to totally blind Wonder Woman, does nothing to Ares(who subdues her with a word). Absorbs the energy of Pandora's Box.

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Is mastered in "all martial-arts, and all military-tactics from the beginning of time". Can traverse dimensions, and shows ALL conflicts further empower him(not merely direct conflict).

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When enraged, conflict and warfare increase(which, as proven above, make him more powerful, suggesting he can perpetually amp himself, in theory if not practice). And lastly his most notorious feat/showing; he kills Highfather in "a fraction of a second".

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#28 Posted by Tedirey (1884 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr-luxcipher:

What's great about Ares is that he doesn't have to be inside his realm where he's basically omnipotent to accomplish those feats.

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#29 Posted by mr-luxcipher (7593 posts) - - Show Bio

@tedirey: Indeed.

He's basically Wonder Woman's Darkseid, without any of the jobbing.

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#30 Posted by JasonBourne_ (435 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

Ares is beyond Loki. and Circe stalemates Hela.

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#31 Edited by KingZod (2624 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1. Ares is MVP

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#32 Edited by dami24434 (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki solos. He basically made cosmic beings cower in fear. TWSAIS are beings that loki doesn't really understands but he said they might even be the beyonders.

Loki would literally rewrite this battle in his favour. People would lowbal loki but any of his low showings are due to him subconsciously wanting to lose.

Loki solos.

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#33 Posted by Jardinain2 (6652 posts) - - Show Bio

The wanking....

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#34 Posted by Evil-Incarnate (6254 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#35 Edited by foxerdes (8164 posts) - - Show Bio

Ares and Circe.

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#36 Posted by OPmailer (48 posts) - - Show Bio

bumped

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#37 Posted by Evil-Incarnate (6254 posts) - - Show Bio
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#38 Posted by mrtrickster (2648 posts) - - Show Bio

team 1

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#39 Edited by destinyman75 (10599 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela is would beat Ares outside of her realm she's never been shown as any weaker, and the scans above on earth she did some of those Kurse backing down mephisto etc. Ares is powerful but the Goddess of Death can handle him. Loki has gotten extremely powerful as well, Circe wouldn't know bow to handle him. Loki easily defeated Borr is much more potent a for then she. Team marvel with mid difficulty due to Circe being out of her league. This is a good And Interesting fight though

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#40 Posted by gunchar16 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: Ares>Hela>>>>>Loki=Circe. the tiers are very different. Ares and Hela are close and then Circe and Loki are very much below them

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#41 Posted by thebuckaronatr (1253 posts) - - Show Bio

Ares and Circe win.

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#42 Posted by _KingofLatveria (6422 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela and Loki could both solo

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#43 Posted by MorbusGrav (438 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 in a very close fight.

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#44 Edited by Alsimmons77 (506 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 would win with Ares as MVP, it's a good fight though.

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#45 Posted by Alsimmons77 (506 posts) - - Show Bio

Hela and Loki could both solo

Wank alert lvl reached critical maximum.

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#48 Posted by katrurius17 (970 posts) - - Show Bio
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#49 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Team 2.

Though currently Loki is also the Sorcerer Supreme as well.

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#50 Posted by _KingofLatveria (6422 posts) - - Show Bio