Archetype Arcueid Brunestud, Composite Gilgamesh And BB vs Lamont Heartfelt Vanity

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Round 1 Base form.

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Abilities: Meta Material Structure: The Bishop completely warped the fabrics of reality, rearranging his molecular structure , only to realize that his subatomic structure was many levels higher than infinite levels and infinite subsets and supersets of the Absolute Infinite that he had authority over

Reality Warping Immunity: He was shown to be completely immune to the reality warping of The Bishop, whom had just completely warped the fabrics of reality, rearranging the infinite Omniversal structure and its complete infinite levels and infinite subsets and supersets of infinity. Matter, mass, energy, time, space, constants and laws were all rearranged to his will without any effort at all. Graszton was completely unaffected.

Meta Durability: Graszton was completely unaffected by pure destruction of Creation. The Bishop mentally condensed all Omniversal possibilities into a single occurrence, causing a violent burst of energy surpassing the Absolute Infinite, completely breaking down the actuality of Graszton Unturnableblade. However, he remained completely unaffected, literally shrugging off the attack.

Inverted World: Lamont Heartfelt Vanity has an ultimate defense known as Inverted World (or Spiritual Interference / Quantum Entanglement). Through this defense; up and down, left and right as well as forward and backward are opposite. It is not just the sense of direction that is changed; all senses and vectors are also inverted. The effects of a target that targets him on a physical, mental and spiritual level are also inverted. It's similar to that of a mirror. His ability involves quantum entanglement, which is a form of quantum superposition. However, he carries a dual existence that manipulates the inverted world automatically onto him. Through his ability, he is virtually untouchable.

Quantum Jumping: Lamont has shown the ability to quantum jump across a centillion amount of universes in a quantum frame of time.

Weakness: characters who power can transcend beyond the infinite of the All( the area that is infinitely above the infinite number of infinite Omniverses ) can resist the inverted world

Round 2 Black Monarch form

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All-encompassing: This timeless entity with limits unable to be comprehended by the union of NOTHING and ALL POSSIBILITY encompassed all modes of existences and nonexistence; all modes and attributes of possibilities, potentialities, and actualities within all different states of existences.

Black Transcendence: The Black Monarch does not exist within the bounds of The Mainfold and cannot be affected by forces from within it.

Beyond the Identity: When the Possibility, Totality, and Nothingness of The Black Monarch was cut down; completely sliced in actuality and potentiality of that which is forever the largest article conceptualized and imagined by any mind, and going even deeper, transcending and slashing down that which cannot even be imagined and conceptualized by any mind – the very essence of The Black Monarch, he was able to maintain his "Self".

Beyond Deus ex Machina: When the origin of all definitions where absolutely anything is possible was cut down, turning The Black Monarch into a simple impossibility within and outside of the Context and Paratext of the Story / Plot / Verse, The Black Monarch caught the effect.

With this he was powerful enough to defeat the author Lionel Suggs and take the title creator of the Suggsverse.

Round 3 His True Form: Pendulum Kingbreaker!

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Black King's Punch: The Black Monarch bolsters his arm back, and with a vicious hook punch to side of the face of his target, he creates a ripple that shakes the very foundations of the Suggsverse and beyond.

He is beyond the necessity of any definition / essence of Omni, as he exists in the gap between Tier 2 and Tier 1.

The very design of Pendulum Kingbreaker (Lamont Heartfelt Vanity) is shown to represent that he has now surpassed Suggsverse itself. That which can only be interpreted as a potential higher hierarchy is why he is so massive. Suggsverse itself is nothing but a part of him. However, just like his brother, he has once again appeared as a form akin to a paradox.

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holy sh*t...

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@shadowrazer24: He is unironically the most awesome and best written character in the entire verse. It is a shame he's not the strongest. He's kind of like Goku all the forms he achieve was through training and hard work.

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@norsewinter: How far do you actually think the team can go?

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@norsewinter: How far do you actually think the team can go?

> actually trying to ask me to argue in a troll thread

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@norsewinter: It's not a troll thread. I'm legitimately curious on how these characters stack-up.

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@norsewinter: I honestly can't tell one multiversal level bulshit from another.

It's all technobabble to me.

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@norsewinter: No need to be salty

@bossmountain: Boss if you're curious about the verse I can give you a link to where you can purchase a hard copy.

https://www.amazon.com/Glory-Defeated-Lionel-Suggs/dp/1105290662

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@bossmountain said:

@norsewinter: I honestly can't tell one multiversal level bulshit from another.

It's all technobabble to me.

thats basically what it is. tiering systems attempt to form an archetypal understanding based on the comparisons between many systems of different fictions by different writers. tbh, theyre all bullshit, its just that some systems are far less bullshit than and being the best way to understand how these fights MIGHT turn out to

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@bossmountain: here's a basic rundown of the first or four floors that make up the verse.

Everything I'm about to post to you right now only covers the first of the four floors that make up the Suggsverse.

UniverseThe Universe is all of reality. It is an infinite span of space and time; all forms of matter, energy and momentum, and the physical laws and constants that govern them. It is everything that exists, has existed, and will exist. It is an infinite refrain…

It's also called Timescape, World, Macro Cosmos...

In order to fully understand the Cosmic Hierarchy and the fundamental nature of the Universe beyond, See Cosmic Matrix.

MetaverseThe Metaverse is the collection of multiple possible universes that together encompass everything that physically exists: the entirety of space and time, all forms of matter, energy and concepts, and the physical laws and constants that govern them. Every universe within the Metaverse is absolutely endless and it is so infinite that it repeats in endless refrains. The various universes within the Metaverse are sometimes called parallel universes, alternative universes, timescapes, quantum universes, interpenetrating dimensions, parallel dimensions, worldscripts, parallel worlds, alternative realities, and alternative timelines. The Metaverse is infinite, but there are infinite amounts of Metaverses. Every possibility and impossibility exists in some form in other universes. Each universe in the Metaverse exists on a different vibrational frequency, but occupies the same space.

TeraverseIt is a level of reality that encompasses all infinite Metaverses.

The Teraverse is the uncountability of the realm of potentialities and actualities. It introduces the realm of True Transcendence.

The Teraverse unravels the concept of cardinality as higher dimensional sizes of infinite sets are made imperative. The Teraverse encompasses all sets of uncountably infinite theories of dimension. The Teraverse is strictly greater than the cardinality of all abstract hierarchies of dimension, as well as the sets within the hypothetical realm of unactualized and impossible phenomena.

The mere existence of the Teraverse proves the impossibility of the uncountably realm of transcendence.

PetaverseIt is a level of reality that is uncountably infinitely infinite and houses an uncountably infinitely infinite amount of all Teraverses.

The Petaverse is the function that describes:

∞1. The real totalities ∞2. Any (nondegenerate) closed or open causality ∞3. The irrational totalities ∞4. The transcendental totalities ∞5. The root of all theories of Conceptualizations ∞6. The root of all theory of Perspectives. ∞7. The complex totalities ∞8. The control set of the natural totalities (the set of all subsets of the natural totalities) ∞9. Sets with greater cardinality than transcendent entities ∞i0. The set of sequences of real totalities ∞iY. The set of all continuous functions of Possibility and Nothingness ∞Z. The set of all open sets in Possibility, Nothingness and Totality ∞Ǝ. The impossibility of Truth

ExaverseIt is the higher reality that houses multiple uncountably transcendent transfinite Petaverses.

The Exaverse is a fundamentally important realm as it introduces the Interpretations of Tier. The Interpretations of Tier was established due to many necessary Omnipotent beings being present. Said qualities of scope will be elaborated by realm of perspective.

Necessarily Omni:

Narrative Perspective Attribute Perspective Quintessence Perspective Creationist Perspective Personal / Impersonal / Transpersonal Perspective Potentially / Actually Omni:

Imaginary Perspective Representative Perspective Illogical Perspective Metaphysical Perspective Foundation Perspective Subjective Perspective Systematic Perspective Sub-Embodiment Perspective

ZettaverseThe Zettaverse is the greater levels of infinity… It is the concept of infinity that encompasses all uncountably transfinite transcendent totalities. It is virtually an infinite number of Exaverses.

The Zettaverse is the imaginary representation and embodiment of an uncountable set of Exaverses.

Zettaverse introduces a new scope of transcendence, or rather, answers Transcendence as it can be interpreted as the fulfillment of transcendence. Zettaverse is the family of semantic omnipotence paradoxes.

Outside of the ContinuumThis is the level of infinity that exists without dimensions.

This is the level in which phenomenon is initially in a superposition of several different possible eigenstates of a singularity of those states after interaction with an observer.

All metaphysical possibilities are a single possibility as seen by an observer.

The conceptual state of a metaphysical system is described by an element of a protective Chaos factor. This can be expressed in modes and attributes of notation as the collapse of Truth.

The End of InfinityIt is the end of the greatest Infinity. It is the end of the concept of an infinity that transcends all transfinite number systems. The Cardinality comes to an end, and the absolutely infinite multiplicity of all transfinite states end.

Upon reaching this realm, the Absolute Infinite, or rather, the notion that transcends and encompasses all infinities comes to an end. Once reaching thing this stage, all set theories come to an end.

All possible and impossible sets of infinite size (like the set of natural numbers) as well as sets (like the set of real numbers) whose infinite size are larger comes to an end. The conceptualization of infinite sequences of infinite sets whose infinite sizes are larger and larger infinities comes to an end here.

Upon reaching this realm, all sets are merely seen as single "set of all sets." Even the realm of infinite paradox arises here, considering the size of the set of all the infinite sizes of sets; which in effect, also comes to an end.

Reaching, exiting or stepping beyond this realm is a solid conclusion that one has surpassed all sets and proper classes that are infinite in size (their size can nonetheless be increased). One has surpassed the totality of completion, and encompasses everything conceivable. Ultimately, in itself, this realm is not characterized by any particular property, and is thus ineffable. Those lower than this realm can only acknowledge and admit to it, but never know or approximate it.

The Interdimensional RiftThe Interdimensional Rift is a level of reality that exists within and outside of the Omniverse. It is connected to every single form of reality, and it exists within and outside of all theories of continuum. The passage of change and inevitability does not exist within the rift and it is beyond all answered and unanswerable transfinite multiplicities in all states. It is an eternal prison.

"Some say that it is the home of Chaos herself.” - Tiffany Winters

This is a realm in which desires an elaborate the functionality of itself. 1. The Interdimensional Rift exists within and outside of all theories of continua. While it is a paradoxical connection beyond all theories of dimension, it connects the perspective of transcendence to the Omniverse. 2. The Interdimensional Rift eliminates and denies the passage of change and inevitability, as it is beyond all answered and unanswerable transfinite multiplicities in all states. This is because of its prison nature, allowing the quality of completion. 3. The Interdimensional Rift was originally thought of to be the embodiment of Nothingness – existing outside of all systems. However, it is in certainty the root point of all potentiality and actuality that can be poured into the totality of that exists, can exist and never will exist.

All of the former completes the structure known as The Omniverse.

OmniverseThe Omniverse is the collection of all possible Universes, with all possible laws of physics. Everything ranging from all of fiction, all of transfiction, all of fanfiction, all of personal fiction, all of impersonal fiction, as well as real life is within The Omniverse. This all depends on the reality that you exist in and what you see as fiction and reality. It is the collection of every single Universe, Metaverse, Teraverse, Petaverse, Exaverse, and Zettaverse; every timeline, reality, dimension (alternate, micro, virtual, or pocket) and realm. Every form of existence ever mentioned or seen (and the transfinite multiplicity amount never mentioned, seen, or even conceived of yet…) are within The Omniverse.

All modes of possibility and actuality are in play. All modes of existence and nonexistence are in play.

Outside of The Omniverse is THE ALL.

THE ALLTHE ALL is that of an Absolute Reality, and transcends names and terms and essence. It is unknowable as it is an all-encompassing force above all others. There can be Nothing existing outside of THE ALL; else, THE ALL would not be THE ALL. There is nothing else to define, confine, bound, limit or restrict THE ALL. It has always continuously existed, for there is nothing else to have ever created it... If it had ever 'not been,' even for a moment, it would not 'be' now. But THE ALL has sub-levels. There is All, then there is The All, and then you have THE ALL which encompasses the former two. THE ALL is the Grand Principle of Creation. THE ALL is a union between Nothing and All Possibility, the ultimate opposites, and the nature of that union is without beginning or end for these two opposites automatically and simultaneously create each other.

All: All is always more than simply being the sum total of the Omniverse. Always in actuality and potentiality, everything in the Omniverse is within All. “All” cannot be finite, changeable, fleeting, and conditioned.

The All: The All is realized only as supreme perfection. It is the completely independent existence beyond the absolute. The All is an absolute multiplicity in which every sub-multiplicity has a first element; such a multiplicity called The All.

THE ALL: The ALL transcends names, terms, and essence – and it is unknowable, only being the perspective of an all-encompassing force above all others.

Outside of THE ALL exists Regions.

RegionsThere are Absolute Infinite amounts of THE ALL. Each ‘THE ALL’ is confined within outer-transfinite planes. Once entering into the Regions, the levels of trans-possibility and meta-actuality opens up the door to new truths.

"Regions," which by definition encompasses everything ranging from all of fiction, all of nonfiction, all of transfiction, all of fanfiction, all of metafiction, all of patafiction, all interfiction, all of personal fiction, and all of impersonal fiction. Every form of existence and nonexistence ever mentioned or seen (and above the absolute infinite multiplicity amount never mentioned, seen, or even conceived of yet…) in possibility, uncertainty, and actuality are within "1" Region. The amount of Regions that exist within an Allscape is beyond all abstract Numbers, Eternalisms, Actualisms, Infinitisms, Possiblisms, and Totalities. Each one encompasses the same attributes and modes. [1]

CardinalitiesOutside of all Regions, there is a transfinite amount of planes known as Cardinalities. The Cardinalities possess an Absolute Aleph-All amount of continuum extra-dimensional shifts. Encompassing this, the Ultimate Truth is only the beginning to a greater concept. The Cardinalities are higher systems of existences far beyond the parameters of Existence (the complete ensemble of all that exists).

The AllscapeThe Allscape is the total sum of everything that has been mentioned; the complete collection of everything above this passage.

Outside of The Allscape, is The Mainfold.

The Allscape is that which can be described as “The” logic error, as it is the most horrible oversight that has been established. The Allscape allows the self-creation of contradiction within, above, and transcending the scope that a Creator wills. The only logic error occurred when originally; ♠The Ace of Spades♠ decided within an unchanging moment, that it did not require control. When The Allscape came to be, this logic error represented itself in all corners observable and unobservable. Due to the nature of what it was, The Allscape could either be fixed of it or admittance to a mistake that came to be would create a logic error in itself, above itself. If admittance to the mistake came to be, the foundation is immediately removed. Never would it have ever been a Plot, Story, or Will. However, if The Allscape would remain, then it the logic error would flux into itself, spreading beyond definition. Due to essentially The Allscape being the true original “Logic Error”, it is inhabits the will and necessity to surpass that of its own Author; that of its own Creator. It is that in where transcendence and definition are easily stepped over, and where Creation must constantly undergo self-change of itself in order to maintain that which is never-changing… again, creating a Logic Error.

The MainfoldThe Mainfold is the system outside of everything that encompasses The Allscape.

Endless BlessingsThere are glimmers that resemble stars, which are in fact and illusion infinities on top of infinities of Allscapes.

Midlight's DeepThis is where potentiality and actuality are created.

The Road to TomorrowThe endless road that guides to the Art Gallery.

AlphaverseAlphaverse

Alphaverse

Within the 1st Floor of Heir to the Stars sits the Alphaverse. It is the first Possibility, Impossibility, Nothingness, and Totality - ever mentioned or seen, self-creating itself as the first existential realm, plane, dimension, and hierarchy of system.

The Alphaverse is dressed based on the perception of the observer, whereas exact definition cannot be placed onto this realm. Names, Terms, and Essence are preretrocausality removed before they can ever even be thought of to begin.

The Alphaverse is a self-aware setting/stage that is fully aware of the Plot / Story / Verse / Narrative Causality / Author, and thus designed itself to make it that its residents do not work within the plot as the plot works for them. In other words, upon reaching the Alphaverse (or, if created or self-created into the Alphaverse), the Plot / Story / Verse / Narrative Causality / Author works for said character. This is the basis of the self-created, self-defined fundamentals of the Alphaverse.

The Alphaverse sets the stage for the beginning, as it comes before the embodiment of origins, before the principle behind the reality in which “before the First Cause” is defined, and before hierarchy of 0.

OmegaverseOmegaverse

Omegaverse Within the 1st Floor of Heir to the Stars sits the Omegaverse. The Omegaverse came into being alongside the Alphaverse. It is the final conclusion of Possibility, Impossibility, Nothingness, and Totality - ever mentioned or seen, self-creating itself as the final and closing existential realm, plane, dimension, and hierarchy of system.

The Omegaverse is dressed based on the sensitivity of the observer, whereas exact definition cannot be placed onto this realm. Principles of Creation are preretrocausality removed before they can ever even be thought of to begin.

The Omegaverse is a self-aware setting/stage that is fully aware of the Plot / Story / Verse / Narrative Causality / Author, and thus designed itself to make it that its residents do not work within the plot as the plot works for them. Deus ex Machina does not exist here in any fashion, and is not allowed. In other words, upon reaching the Omegaverse (or, if created or self-created into the Omegaverse), the Plot / Story / Verse / Narrative Causality / Author works for said character. This is the basis of the self-created, self-defined fundamentals of the Omegaverse.

The Omegaverse sets the stage for the end, as it comes after the embodiment of endings, after the principle behind the reality in which “after the True End” is defined, and after the zenith of all hierarchies.

The Rabbit HoleThis is where the Truths are created.

The Art GalleryThe Road to Tomorrow is the only road that can reach The Art Gallery. It is here... ♠The Ace of Spades♠resides within this sanctum, arting creation. However, his 'Will' is outside of The Art Gallery, for everything is caused by ♠The Ace of Spades♠.

On this Floor of the Heir to the Stars Cosmic Hierarchy, The Art Gallery is the highest and largest cosmic ensemble there is, as everything else, might as well be strand on a micro paint brush in comparison. Those that are able to reach The Art Gallery, has fully surpassed (by necessity) any scope outside of it.

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And all of this is just floor 1!!! Pendulum King break was able to almost destroy all 4 floors with a single punch and he's weaker than Christopher.

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@sergeantmuscle: Holy sh%t!! You expect me to read all that?!

Also I think I'll pass. $15 seemed a little expensive for writing of this quality!.

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@bossmountain said:

@sergeantmuscle: Holy sh%t!! You expect me to read all that?!

Also I think I'll pass. $15 seemed a little expensive for writing of this quality!.

even paying literal rat shit for this is way too infinitely expensive for writing of suggsverse quality.

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@sergeantmuscle: Holy sh%t!! You expect me to read all that?!

Also I think I'll pass. $15 seemed a little expensive for writing of this quality!.

Typical Suggsverse dialogue:

Random dude: I am infinite powerful

Other random dude: Well, I'm infinite 1+!

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@bossmountain: @yasindermann: @norsewinter:

Said what you will about the writting.but the power system speaks for itself. Does anyone have opinion of Lamont Heartfelt Vanity? Do you think he wins And if not.why?

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@sergeantmuscle said:

@bossmountain: @yasindermann: @norsewinter:

Said what you will about the writting.but the power system speaks for itself. Does anyone have opinion of Lamont Heartfelt Vanity? Do you think he wins And if not.why?

you already have a set-mind for the answer. why ask a question that you think to know objectively, the answer to? you think you are right anway. you already set closed. so i have no idea why you seek discussion.

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@norsewinter: Now that's not true. It's possible they might score win around 1.

He's not invincible already posted some of his weaknesses.

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@sergeantmuscle: I think some of his designs are all right....but honestly I couldn't care less. I don't particularly like him or any of the characters on this list anyway nor do I really understand their abilities. So meh.

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#27  Edited By zgtfreak

Any of them blink Suggverse. Suggverse is contradicting nonsense, which makes it unusable. Literally anyone can beat Suggverse. It's not a powerful verse. Just hyperbole contradicting mindless hogwash garbage. Also Arcueid being here automatically renders BB and Gilgamesh irrelevant in comparison. She solos both verses at the same time. Your trolls are boring and no one is falling for them. I'll take my leave now.

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#28  Edited By SergeantMuscle

@zgtfreak: You keep saying that but every time it comes down to put comparing feat statement and cosmology you always provide nothing.

The characters Powers abilities and weaknesses I post are all pretty cut-and-dry I don't see how you can argue it's nonsensical?

I'm not even sure why so many people on comicvine and vs wiki are so salty when it comes to the Suggsverse you don't run into this problem on Reddit. People there are pretty okay with the verse.

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#29  Edited By zgtfreak

@sergeantmuscle: I don't provide scans for a troll. You'll see me post many scans with essays all the time in debates; just not with trolls and Suggverse. It's a waste of my time. Notice how no one else feels like arguing with you either. You are not raising awareness for Suggverse. Everyone knows what it is. They just ignore it.

Also every battle board ever is against Suggverse. Even VS Battles isn't dumb enough to take it seriously. Space Battles and Lounge Forums (yes that still exist) hates it too.

In the end, I'll depart with Sung's post:

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@zgtfreak: Not really the just the sites who take themselves too seriously. The vs community on Reddit doesn't seem to have much of an issue with the series at all. they do admit the writing is bad but they don't see it as any worse or more cringy than likes of Demonbane. Tvtropes even refer to the series as "what is quite possibly the greatest conception of superheroic power in current fiction."

Also didn't you all literally invent a character just to compete with the verse and yet your accusing me of trolling?

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Damn, look at those nig lips. The team gives him some watermelon and grape juice, then backstab him. This man be looking like Franklin from GTA V.

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#34  Edited By johnsmjs36

@sergeantmuscle: People on reddit believe Aizen is 6D and Yhwach solos Galactus so your choice. Also, all you have been posting us wiki.

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Archetype Earths wins because the planet buffs her beyond the verse.

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Archetype Earths wins because the planet buffs her beyond the verse.

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@sergeantmuscle: I know the verse far better than you do as I have purchased every single book and carefully studied every single form of medium for Suggsverse.

The planet buffs Archetype and she one shots.

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#39  Edited By SergeantMuscle

@devoidruby: okay can you actually provide an explanation as to how and why? Should be very easy to do since you know both versus so well.

Afterall just claiming that you know the verse better than I do doesn't actually prove anything.

I can just say I know nasuverse better than you so she definitely loses. Without an actual explanation doesn't it mean anything.

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@sergeantmuscle: The planet always makes her stronger than her opponent. So she becomes stronger than him via the planet buffing her and she one shots him.

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@devoidruby: Okay but

his base form is immune to all levels of reality manipulation below infinite omniversal levels.

And his Black Monarch form cannot be targeted by effects by beings that are below the hierarchy of the manifold.

Due to Black Transcendence.: The Black Monarch does not exist within the bounds of The Mainfold and cannot be affected by forces from within it.

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@sergeantmuscle: And?

The planet buffs Arcueid beyond all of that to one shot him.

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@devoidruby: He's a troll. Ignore him. He thinks Suggverse is beyond omnipotence.

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#44  Edited By SergeantMuscle

@devoidruby: And combine that with his inverted world ability which reverses all physical laws vectors properties concepts directions effects of all of his opponents abilities there's no way that should work. Whats stopping him from activating inverted world to cause the opposite of her effect to happened. Instead of making her stronger than her opponents it will just guarantee that she'll be weaker than her opponents.

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@sergeantmuscle: The planet says no.

He has no feats of effecting someone stronger than him like Arcueid.

Literal fodder verse lmao.

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#46  Edited By SergeantMuscle

@zgtfreak: You know as well as I do the author directly stated that they were.

Why are you acting as if I wrote the series personally to troll you or something.

I haven't even mentioned omnipotence once on this tread.

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#47  Edited By SergeantMuscle

@devoidruby: Actually he has he was able to defeat the author himself and the illustrator and publisher and then became the new creator of the suggverse series you should know this you read it all. remember?

Also what do you mean she's stronger what feats does she have?

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get outta here lionel