@i_like_swords
As far as I recall, Vader was never trained by Palpatine 'physically', nor in the Sith arts(sorcery, Sith powers, etc). Vader always fought his combat droids and trained himself to grow stronger in the Force through hard work and self-discipline. You want to tell me that Palpatine taught Vader everything he knew; and Vader never used those abilities he learned from Palpatine. I find it bs on spot, tbh. Not that I have anything with you.
That he hasn't used lightning doesn't mean he can't, or that he wasn't taught about it, or that him not using it in any way rebukes the quote. Mighella, a Nightsister with extensive knowledge including lightning, shapeshifting and other esoteric disciplines, had "far less" knowledge of the Dark Side than Maul. Lightning has been summoned by novice Dark Jedi, without any training, like Quinlan Vos. The idea that it's some lofty technique is false.
1. So Maul has those abilties(knows about them); and yet he doesn't use them? Does that mean he is not 'powerful' enough to use them. Using this argument, then any Sith, Jedi, Force-user character can use every Force power even if they were not shown to use it. In order to use a logical argument, we have to assume that if a character cannot use a certain ability; it's either because he is not powerful enough, or they have a physical impediment.
2. Where do you get this idea that Mighella has "far less" knowledge of the dark side than Maul, really? I can use the same argument and say just because she hasn't used certain abilities, that does not mean she does not possess them.
I guess even Savage can use Force lightning, Force drain, Sith Battle Meditation, although we have never seen him using it.
3. Wasn't Quinlan Vos trained by Dooku to use Force lightning? Did he use it? I have a lapsus. However, as we were told, Force lightning is an effect of channelling dark emotions into your body and then unleash them in a voracious way. It can be used without training, but in order to control this power, you need to learn it. I mean, the writers could have easily shown us Maul using Force lightning; why didn't they do it, though?
But let's say he can use it and agree with that because anyone can do it.
You know what is impressive? Getting cut in half, falling down a reactor core, surviving on a junk planet, subsisting on a diet of raw vermin, and not dying. A feat attributed to Maul because of his "knowledge of the Dark Side." Page me when you've heard of any other Sith doing that.
You know what is impressive?
Surviving a Mass Shadow Generator blast(Nihilus), survive as a heady Sith(Simus), being alive and in pain while your body is a mummy and getting struck by Jedi on the battlefield(Sion), surviving with a Yuuzhan Vong armor on you(Krayt), when someone lost his legs on Jerec's ship at Qu-Rahn's lightsabre(Maw).
To be fully honest with you, as I listed above, these surviving feats have already been used by some of the Old Republic Sith Lords. I don't see how this makes him the superior Sith?
Are you certain he has fallen and not used the Force to Force-grab himself by something?
That's typically how Force users kill each other, yeah. Sidious has many abilities he is stated to know, but doesn't use - that doesn't mean he doesn't know them.
Apply this case to all characters, then, and you got a mess. However, then why Palpatine knows those abilities, but does not use them? Does that mean he is not strong enough to harness them?
Or are you talking to me about those Force companion manual guides written by writers whatever courses through their heads?
You clearly have a preconceived idea of what you think Maul is, but the facts tell us that he is "one of the most highly trained Sith of all time" and "trained in all types of Sith arts." That you are unable to accept as much, and wish to engage in hyper-rationalisation, is on you. The burden of evidence is on you.
We all have preconceived ideas; that's out of the question.
Those are not facts in what you listed(facts require physical proof in those stories), those are claims/descriptions of the writer/s designed to elevate their characters in the stories and make them special in the eyes of the readers.
Just because I write: "Onaga was the greatest sorcerer of all times, even greater than Quan-Chi himself and the Elder Gods themselves."and there is no proof/feat of his power in the stories to support that description offered by the writer in upcoming stories; then you can't use that as a fact to support your argument. Not only readers can make 'assumptions', you know.
There is a difference between: Maul was trained in all types of Sith arts, one of the most highly trained Sith.
and
Maul was trained in all types of Sith arts, one of the most highly trained Sith. He could summon fierce storms of lighting; channel fire into objects, foresee the future, shatter the stone and iron fabric of enormous structures, enchant his weapons with Sith magic, blitzing the eye of the Jedi Council, if he would ever fight them. . .
You get my idea, I am sure of it.
To be honest, I don't know what we talk about here.
Is it about Darth Maul's abilities, his match against Arcann. about his 'Sith place'?
@erkan12
And he is doing this in the middle of the duel with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. And then he uses the Force when he is getting cut in half and he still survives. He didn't have any medical droid or someone to help there, it's all about the Force.
Neither Sion, nor Nihilus or any of those aforemention have any medical droid or someone to help them there. As you said, it's all about the Force. But that doesn't make him a top-notch Sith.
Regarding to his TK abilities, if you're not satisfied with using the basic Force choke and the basic Force throw on even the Force sensitive beings, this is how great Maul's precision and his familiarity with the Force ;
He flipped away from Obi-Wan, flinging his body through the air to land before a doorway that led to Theed City's power generator. With one hand gripping his lightsaber, he reached out with the Force and seized a large piece of debris from one of the ruined destroyer droids, then launched it at the door's opening mechanism. The mechanism exploded in sparks and the door began to slide open.
I never said he is on Ventress' level(that low). He is clearly tough, but not as tough as people claim him to be. What he did here, could be accomplished by Savage Opress too if he were in his situation.
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