Arale vs. Jiren

@valor_175: that was a ki blast inflicted upon her and her toon force did not allow her to tank it. We don't if it was due to power of Beerus or some TF immunity. Either are completely unsubstantiated, so while you can refute their arguments regarding Jiren surpassing her TF, you yourself cannot assert that only Beerus has TF immunity

arale is nigh omnipotent and is a genuine gag character she stomps

@valor_175: empty argument. Toon force was never stated to be working on anyone besides Beerus so it's an empty cycle of empty arguments. We can only speculate how far toonforce can go and so far it stopped on Beerus level, and Jiren is said to even surpass it and has feats of breaking reality just like Arale does, so saying Arale wins is baseless. If anything we can speculate Jiren should be above her.

That is a weak inductive argument. Beerus being the only one so far who has resisted toon force, is not a valid basis for your argument that he is the only one who can do so.

That isn't how debating works.

You made a claim and you're using fallacious logic to come to a conclusion. The argument you're using here is literally the definition of a weak inductive argument.

I'l repeat: Just because Beerus is the only one who has done a feat so far, does not imply he is the only one who can perform that feat. That is fallacious.

A therefore B. Not A therefore not B. That is fallacious logic. You've also assumed that it was due to toon force resistance and not a matter of simply overpowering it. There is no evidence to suggest that he has resistance and that it wadn't a matter of degree of power.

@valor_175:

It is a specific ability that was highlighted in the episode

Assumption. There is no evidence suggesting that it had to be an ability and not simple overpowering.

If it we're a normal feat, like his planet busting feats in his fight with Champa, you would be correct. That is not the case

Again, how do you know that that isn't the case when there is no evidence supporting it? Beerus being the only one who has done it is not a valid basis for it not being any ordinary feat based on overpowering her toon force. Neither is Goku or Vegeta not resisting toon force a good argument, because Goku and vegeta are weaker and hence we don't know whether Beerus resisted it or overpowered it.

however, as the reasoning behind his ability to affect Arale at all was stated to be because TF doesn't work on him, which is backed up by the fact that neither Goku nor Vegeta could do anything to her due to her powers denying the laws of physics and her status as a gag character.

Goku and Vegeta are not at GoD level, there is no evidence suggesting that it wasn't a matter of being a tad too weak.

Considering that this is an ability that no one else in the entire franchise has shown, until we have even the slightest bit of evidence indicating otherwise, it is exclusive to Beerus.

For the umpteenth time, Beerus being the only one to perform x feat on screen, =/= he is the only one who CAN perform x feat. You're using the A therefore B, not A therefore not B logic again.

This thread is disgusting...

@valor_175: I don't see how I'm using circular logic. Circular logic is when i present a conclusion as a premise, which is not what I am doing. Your fallacy and mistake is when you take Beerus defeating toon force as evidence for him having a resistance to toon force, when he simply could have overpowered it.

Arale wins.

DBS arale is not that strong Not only Beerus.Zeno Grandpriest & other GoDs,Angels can beat Arale.

@nemesisreloaded.

@nemesisreloaded:

@zill0678: If you take it like that then she’d be the winner but I’m looking at this in a different way. In an actual confrontation he’d probably stomp her no dif. Any main hero or heroine is favored by the writer to win no matter what. Good guys always beat bad guys in an authors point of view. No author interference = Arale loses. This is Arale vs Jiren one on one. Not Arale + Toriyama vs Jiren.

@galactic_1000: That’s what I firmly believe as well. As far as TF goes people are caught in a bind. Feats are great and all and although Jiren doesn’t have TF immunity feats like Beerus it’s simple to piece things logically together. Beerus wasn’t at all threatened just annoyed when he saw Arale. When he saw Jiren walk he couldn’t believe the power he saw coming from that one suppressed fighter.

@galactic_1000:

I imagine that what would happen here is what would be funniest. WHich in my head is Arale causing problems and Jiren air punching her off to the horizon at the end. Arale doesn't win this because Jiren is no joke, he's not like Vegeta who is a more light-hearted character these days, Arale wouldn't even get passed the force field because Jiren has the weight of the world on his shoulders. So Jiren will win in a manner and moment that is the funniest.

Every one keeps bringing up Beerus is immune to Gag cause Goku said so, well Goku was wrong the Gag was Beerus ate that piece of crap candy and immediately had to go destroy his bathroom meaning that was the Gag and he was victim to it.

Jiren is no different he got nothing at all that suggests he is immune and like i said Beerus wasn't even immune.

Arale wins.

Jiren pwns

if you only see her as a robot girl that does wacky stuff then yea she loses. how ever she isnt just that. she is a portion of toryamas personality and he created her to have a portion of his powers. you have to look at toryama like TOAA or the Pressence and arale as one of those but just a portion of it. its in her character to do the impossible thus she making light of ssb goku. to keep on topic though as im not interested in trying to decipher the inner workings of akira toryamas mind ill just say that with the will of toryama that to an extent she has by default she can do anything like stomp zeno but without it she is nothing more than a robot girl from penguin village. its just a matter of how much of akiras will do people think she has will determine what they think she can do.

Arale actually beat up Toriyama lol

@gaoron said:

@zill0678 said:

@ssgssj4_debater said:

@zill0678: If you take it like that then she’d be the winner but I’m looking at this in a different way. In an actual confrontation he’d probably stomp her no dif. Any main hero or heroine is favored by the writer to win no matter what. Good guys always beat bad guys in an authors point of view. No author interference = Arale loses. This is Arale vs Jiren one on one. Not Arale + Toriyama vs Jiren.

if you only see her as a robot girl that does wacky stuff then yea she loses. how ever she isnt just that. she is a portion of toryamas personality and he created her to have a portion of his powers. you have to look at toryama like TOAA or the Pressence and arale as one of those but just a portion of it. its in her character to do the impossible thus she making light of ssb goku. to keep on topic though as im not interested in trying to decipher the inner workings of akira toryamas mind ill just say that with the will of toryama that to an extent she has by default she can do anything like stomp zeno but without it she is nothing more than a robot girl from penguin village. its just a matter of how much of akiras will do people think she has will determine what they think she can do.

Arale actually beat up Toriyama lol

so...does that make her TOAA of SLUMP/Dragonball verse?

@gaoron: I see your point. This fight mainly boils down to how you see Arale and Jiren. Either you believe Jiren>>>>Arale or Arale>>>>Jiren no in between really lol. I’d still put my money on Jiren though.

Arale couldn't even beat the final villain in Dr. Slump on her own, it's bullshit of how she suddenly jumpscaled to Super Saiyan Blue level without any explanation other than she is a gag character. Jiren flicks her and her weak ass universe to oblivion. We already came to conclusion that Toon Force doesn't work on Beerus and Jiren is stronger than Beerus.

Arale wins

Jiren blinkstomps

Jiren

Jiren decisively.

Jiren gets beat up the same way she did the saiyans lol

Jiren>>>>Beerus>>>>Arale

Arale. Jiren has no hax like hakai.

Arale because she has and literally done the impossible like beat up toriyama and beat ssb goku

Jiren

arale should win, although she lost to beerus and they said that jiren is above the gods of destruction, so by the events that happened he scales higher

Jiren

Jiren should scale above her, so he takes it.

She ignores logic, She can be as strong as she wants.

She can just make her attack 100 times stronger cause she desires to be stronger

Arake > Dragon ball

Arale one shots , Jiren isn't stronger nor equal to Beerus

Arale without issues