Aquaman Vs Colossus, Thing & She Hulk

Who wins here

Aguaman would lose to the team. The Thing alone is a good match for him.

Team curbs

the team ben might solo

Aquaman high diff

Probably team

They all have comparable strength to him

I look forward to this debate. What saves The Thing from being impaled?

I would love to see those strength feats. Apart for Jen, i don't think the team comes close to his strength.

Team wins. Inb4 Aquaman can hurt Skyfathers.

The battle would have to be at the bottom of the ocean for it to be a fair fight.

@ecstaticgrace: not 2 mention da speed advantage.....

Jennifer is weaker than Ben and arguably weaker than Colossus.

Ben and Colossus duo here

@chimeroid: Ben has consistently matched and overpowered namor who has tossed around ships and submarines

He also supplied enough energy with korg (who's near equal to him) to repair a city sized crack (although you may call it unquantifiable)

Also shulk is around the same level of strength as Ben

Team

Team stomps.

The team stomps.

You need to stop being so damn salty about that. There are no skyfathers in this thread and there is no one more durable than the likes of Superman at all. And we have seen that Aquaman can definitely pierce heralds. He can definitely hurt anyone on this team.

One thing that really irks me with Marvel fans is that they always believe Aquaman=Namor. This is a false equivalency. And matching someone in fights doesn't mean you are equally strong.

I can show scans of Aquaman breaking Superman's grip. Is that proof Aquaman is planetary in strength?

You don't see me going around with that statement. I still maintain that his best strength feats are tossing the submarine from the bottom of the ocean to the surface, and caving in the trench. She Hulk is stronger than Ben to my knowledge. In fact, i remember (might be wrong) that She-Hulk maxed out Ben's workout machine with 1 arm.

Also, none of that will protect them from being stabbed to death.

Team.

@chimeroid: Arthur doesn't consistently overpower Clark

Ben consistently overpowers namor. I'm not saying that namor=Arthur (and I never said that), just saying that namor has tossed around ships and submarines, and Ben has matched and overpowered him. Ben has even pulled namor out of water by sheer strength.

As for Ben vs Jen, I'd leave that to others who know more about both.

@apex_pretador:

Actually, since New 52, every time they have matched each other, it was not what people would expect. He has sent N52 Clark flying once and he has fought post crisis Clark for a while breaking out of his grip multiple times. I believe that is more impressive than matching Namor. And, please, do not bring up AVX, in AVX Namor was not strong enough to pull fish bones out of the sea floor.

As i said, a lot of fights in comic show characters "matching" in strength while their individual feats are nowhere near. Has the Thing ever tossed a ship/building

Btw - She hulk vs Thing in strength.

Not to mention the most important thing in this fight - The Trident.

Arthur's strength is not that big of an issue if he can just one-shot stab 2 out of 3 characters in the battle. Then it just leaves Jen vs Arthur. Not sure who takes it.

See post above, the one where Jen outlifts Ben with one arm.

She had a specific suit, which amped her powers, she was even stronger than Hercules in that suit, and threw up and arm-wrestling match (though she could have won easily).

@chimeroid: thing has tossed a small house at silver Surfer

I believe he's also tossed a building at Galactus but i might be misremembering

No I wasn't talking about avx but an old ff issue. Namor tried to take Ben into water to get advantage, but Ben pulled him upwards out of water and proceeded to clobber him.

I am no Jen expert. Is that suit gone now?

Don't get me wrong. The Thing is strong. I am well aware of that. However, i am not convinced that he is actually as strong as N52 Aquaman. And your initial statement even said Colossus is at Aquaman's level, which is just wrong.

Yep, it is gone for many years now.

Though current Grey She-Hulk was pretty much overpowering Jane-Thor in brute strength, while Jane stalemated Herc in that area.

Oh, damn, if Shulk can overpower Jane, she is well above the rest of the team here.

@chimeroid: I never said that Colossus is on his level

I said that they should be "comparable" in strength. I'm not aware of Colossus's feats but he's written as pretty strong.

Anyways what are Arthur's best feats?

@apex_pretador: Throwing a submarine from the bottom of the ocean to the surface *it even flew out of the water entirely and dropped back.

Using a cruise ship as a bat against the Dead King. Also, the ship was wrecked as a result of the hit.

Caving in a cliff by pushing it to seal off the trench.

I'll just post the scans so that can see that for yourself. :)

Jane arm-wrestles Hercules - The Mighty Thor #702

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Grey She-Hulk vs Jane-Thor - The Mighty Thor #700

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@lord_spectrum: Damn you are useful to have around :D Ty for those, always enjoy your input since you offer a lot of Marvel knowledge i ain't got

EDIT: Isn't hercules now weaker than before.? I mean, he was depowered for a while, and then he refused his godly powers, and then he had that weird ass story with "new gods" where he was kinda strong, but not back on his old levels. Is he back now?

@lord_spectrum: @chimeroid: she hulk was defeated by a falling watchtower. That's a low showing for Jane, not a high showing for shulk

1. Thanks man, i really appreciate it. :)

2. Honestly, him regaining his powers was not explained in current Marvel, but given that he relies too much on weapons of modern people (guns and etc...), it is fair to assume that he didn't regain full scope of his power.

Though the whole "New Gods" story was essentially tied with belief of modern age people, the said belief had created Ancient Gods of the past, but with time belief also changes, and thus new type of gods are born, but to be fair we don't really know how powerful or impressive these guys are, outside of their fights with Herc, so it's kind hard to talk about Herc's powerlevel currently, unless Marvel clears up the mess of their continuity.

Team curbs

But before that, Mjolnir caused a direct lightning blast, it is fair to assume that it is what knocked Shulk out.

As for Jane, she was pretty much transformed into human when all of that happened.

@lord_spectrum: OMFG, Was Jane just rescued by Throg. HAHAHAHA. Loving it!

@chimeroid: The Jupiter Suit Shulkie had never amped her up. She was already amped and it helped contain her power. Just clearing that up.

@god_spawn:But the amp itself was short lived? I figured from the scans that the suit was there for control. I was just referencing the suit as the "name' of the power up.

Yep, and then he proceeded to find some mead to celebrate that. :D

Respect The Mighty Throg !! XD

The team wins.

@chimeroid: @lord_spectrum: to be fair, it’s been said that Hercules is as strong as he was previously, certainly nothing to the opposite

So, there is a statement saying that he is back at his old strength levels? Because, IIRC, in the New Gods story, he had a bit of an issue with lifting the metal Earth model.

@battle123axe:

Very interesting, do you know issue/source where it was stated?

@chimeroid: Gotcha. But yeah, it was. It shouldn’t be since nothing ever states she lost said amp. She just one day started struggling with 85 ton weights which should be relatively light for her since even before and after she was kicking people across cities and hurting characters that shrug that off like nothing like Red Hulk and Namor. I guess Ben could be stronger than her now since she might have lessened up on her training but Shulkies been a class 100 for awhile, even by feats.

i beleive so, he also was stated to be able to destroy mountains, so

@god_spawn: I agree Jen's past the Class 100 bar despite the 85 ton showing in Fraction's Fantastic Four run, but the Class 100 term has been outdated for a long time IMO. Based on her standard physical showings, Ben should be above her without the Jupiter suit amp. Also pretty sure Rulk has stomped She Hulk twice.

kicks the crap out of multiple heroes, tanking captain marvel's full blasts, no-selling spidey's sucker punch and being said to be unstoppable

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it's also important to note that he never actually had a change in power or power source. he almost did, but he was able to shake off the brand that was turning him into one. he really only uses guns now for the range and to be modern.

he's still strong enough to oneshot a monster that a thrown mjolnir couldn't affect, wrestle jane thor, and a beign with his strength was able to injure jane thor with her hits.