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#1 Posted by Tethadam (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

Who wins here

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#2 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16701 posts) - - Show Bio

Aguaman would lose to the team. The Thing alone is a good match for him.

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

Aguaman would lose to the team. The Thing alone is a good match for him.

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#4 Posted by GeorgeWBush (10075 posts) - - Show Bio

Team curbs

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#5 Posted by comic_book_fan (9952 posts) - - Show Bio

the team ben might solo

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#6 Posted by seastone98 (3857 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman high diff

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#7 Posted by APEX_pretador (18634 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably team

They all have comparable strength to him

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#8 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

Aguaman would lose to the team. The Thing alone is a good match for him.

I look forward to this debate. What saves The Thing from being impaled?

Probably team

They all have comparable strength to him

I would love to see those strength feats. Apart for Jen, i don't think the team comes close to his strength.

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#9 Posted by Noone1996 (9362 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins. Inb4 Aquaman can hurt Skyfathers.

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#10 Posted by Battle123axe (8286 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by GateOfBabylon (2724 posts) - - Show Bio

The battle would have to be at the bottom of the ocean for it to be a fair fight.

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#12 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6781 posts) - - Show Bio

@nehyolaw: in regards to physicals Aquaman has the most going for him here and a weapon that could oneshot any of them. So not really.

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#13 Posted by seastone98 (3857 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by juiceboks (23858 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme said:

Aguaman would lose to the team. The Thing alone is a good match for him.

I look forward to this debate. What saves The Thing from being impaled?

@apex_pretador said:

Probably team

They all have comparable strength to him

I would love to see those strength feats. Apart for Jen, i don't think the team comes close to his strength.

Jennifer is weaker than Ben and arguably weaker than Colossus.

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#15 Posted by Warlockmage (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben and Colossus duo here

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#16 Edited by APEX_pretador (18634 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Ben has consistently matched and overpowered namor who has tossed around ships and submarines

He also supplied enough energy with korg (who's near equal to him) to repair a city sized crack (although you may call it unquantifiable)

Also shulk is around the same level of strength as Ben

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#17 Posted by RampageTheFirst (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

Team

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#18 Posted by MasterSkywalker (3609 posts) - - Show Bio

Team stomps.

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#19 Posted by Major_Hellstrom (16919 posts) - - Show Bio

The team stomps.

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#20 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins. Inb4 Aquaman can hurt Skyfathers.

You need to stop being so damn salty about that. There are no skyfathers in this thread and there is no one more durable than the likes of Superman at all. And we have seen that Aquaman can definitely pierce heralds. He can definitely hurt anyone on this team.

@chimeroid: Ben has consistently matched and overpowered namor who has tossed around ships and submarines

He also supplied enough energy with korg (who's near equal to him) to repair a city sized crack (although you may call it unquantifiable)

Also shulk is around the same level of strength as Ben

One thing that really irks me with Marvel fans is that they always believe Aquaman=Namor. This is a false equivalency. And matching someone in fights doesn't mean you are equally strong.

I can show scans of Aquaman breaking Superman's grip. Is that proof Aquaman is planetary in strength?

You don't see me going around with that statement. I still maintain that his best strength feats are tossing the submarine from the bottom of the ocean to the surface, and caving in the trench. She Hulk is stronger than Ben to my knowledge. In fact, i remember (might be wrong) that She-Hulk maxed out Ben's workout machine with 1 arm.

Also, none of that will protect them from being stabbed to death.

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#21 Edited by ProteusXManRxis (4445 posts) - - Show Bio

Team.

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#22 Posted by APEX_pretador (18634 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Arthur doesn't consistently overpower Clark

Ben consistently overpowers namor. I'm not saying that namor=Arthur (and I never said that), just saying that namor has tossed around ships and submarines, and Ben has matched and overpowered him. Ben has even pulled namor out of water by sheer strength.

As for Ben vs Jen, I'd leave that to others who know more about both.

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#23 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador:

Actually, since New 52, every time they have matched each other, it was not what people would expect. He has sent N52 Clark flying once and he has fought post crisis Clark for a while breaking out of his grip multiple times. I believe that is more impressive than matching Namor. And, please, do not bring up AVX, in AVX Namor was not strong enough to pull fish bones out of the sea floor.

As i said, a lot of fights in comic show characters "matching" in strength while their individual feats are nowhere near. Has the Thing ever tossed a ship/building

Btw - She hulk vs Thing in strength.

Not to mention the most important thing in this fight - The Trident.

Arthur's strength is not that big of an issue if he can just one-shot stab 2 out of 3 characters in the battle. Then it just leaves Jen vs Arthur. Not sure who takes it.

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#24 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid said:
@cable_extreme said:

Aguaman would lose to the team. The Thing alone is a good match for him.

I look forward to this debate. What saves The Thing from being impaled?

@apex_pretador said:

Probably team

They all have comparable strength to him

I would love to see those strength feats. Apart for Jen, i don't think the team comes close to his strength.

Jennifer is weaker than Ben and arguably weaker than Colossus.

See post above, the one where Jen outlifts Ben with one arm.

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#25 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

Jennifer is weaker than Ben and arguably weaker than Colossus.

See post above, the one where Jen outlifts Ben with one arm.

She had a specific suit, which amped her powers, she was even stronger than Hercules in that suit, and threw up and arm-wrestling match (though she could have won easily).

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#26 Edited by APEX_pretador (18634 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: thing has tossed a small house at silver Surfer

I believe he's also tossed a building at Galactus but i might be misremembering

No I wasn't talking about avx but an old ff issue. Namor tried to take Ben into water to get advantage, but Ben pulled him upwards out of water and proceeded to clobber him.

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#27 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid said:

Jennifer is weaker than Ben and arguably weaker than Colossus.

See post above, the one where Jen outlifts Ben with one arm.

She had a specific suit, which amped her powers, she was even stronger than Hercules in that suit, and threw up and arm-wrestling match (though she could have won easily).

I am no Jen expert. Is that suit gone now?

@chimeroid: thing has tossed a small house at silver Surfer

I believe he's also tossed a building at Galactus but i might be misremembering

No I wasn't talking about avx but an old ff issue. Namor tried to take Ben into water to get advantage, but Ben pulled him upwards out of water and proceeded to clobber him.

Don't get me wrong. The Thing is strong. I am well aware of that. However, i am not convinced that he is actually as strong as N52 Aquaman. And your initial statement even said Colossus is at Aquaman's level, which is just wrong.

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#28 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

I am no Jen expert. Is that suit gone now?

Yep, it is gone for many years now.

Though current Grey She-Hulk was pretty much overpowering Jane-Thor in brute strength, while Jane stalemated Herc in that area.

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#30 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid said:

I am no Jen expert. Is that suit gone now?

Yep, it is gone for many years now.

Though current Grey She-Hulk was pretty much overpowering Jane-Thor in brute strength, while Jane stalemated Herc in that area.

Oh, damn, if Shulk can overpower Jane, she is well above the rest of the team here.

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#31 Edited by APEX_pretador (18634 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: I never said that Colossus is on his level

I said that they should be "comparable" in strength. I'm not aware of Colossus's feats but he's written as pretty strong.

Anyways what are Arthur's best feats?

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#32 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador: Throwing a submarine from the bottom of the ocean to the surface *it even flew out of the water entirely and dropped back.

Using a cruise ship as a bat against the Dead King. Also, the ship was wrecked as a result of the hit.

Caving in a cliff by pushing it to seal off the trench.

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#33 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, damn, if Shulk can overpower Jane, she is well above the rest of the team here.

I'll just post the scans so that can see that for yourself. :)

Jane arm-wrestles Hercules - The Mighty Thor #702

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Grey She-Hulk vs Jane-Thor - The Mighty Thor #700

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#34 Edited by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_spectrum: Damn you are useful to have around :D Ty for those, always enjoy your input since you offer a lot of Marvel knowledge i ain't got

EDIT: Isn't hercules now weaker than before.? I mean, he was depowered for a while, and then he refused his godly powers, and then he had that weird ass story with "new gods" where he was kinda strong, but not back on his old levels. Is he back now?

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#35 Posted by APEX_pretador (18634 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_spectrum: @chimeroid: she hulk was defeated by a falling watchtower. That's a low showing for Jane, not a high showing for shulk

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#36 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Damn you are useful to have around :D Ty for those, always enjoy your input since you offer a lot of Marvel knowledge i ain't got

2. EDIT: Isn't hercules now weaker than before.? I mean, he was depowered for a while, and then he refused his godly powers, and then he had that weird ass story with "new gods" where he was kinda strong, but not back on his old levels. Is he back now?

1. Thanks man, i really appreciate it. :)

2. Honestly, him regaining his powers was not explained in current Marvel, but given that he relies too much on weapons of modern people (guns and etc...), it is fair to assume that he didn't regain full scope of his power.

Though the whole "New Gods" story was essentially tied with belief of modern age people, the said belief had created Ancient Gods of the past, but with time belief also changes, and thus new type of gods are born, but to be fair we don't really know how powerful or impressive these guys are, outside of their fights with Herc, so it's kind hard to talk about Herc's powerlevel currently, unless Marvel clears up the mess of their continuity.

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#37 Posted by _KingofLatveria (16146 posts) - - Show Bio

Team curbs

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#38 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

she hulk was defeated by a falling watchtower. That's a low showing for Jane, not a high showing for shulk

But before that, Mjolnir caused a direct lightning blast, it is fair to assume that it is what knocked Shulk out.

As for Jane, she was pretty much transformed into human when all of that happened.

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#39 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_spectrum: OMFG, Was Jane just rescued by Throg. HAHAHAHA. Loving it!

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#40 Posted by God_Spawn (41977 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: The Jupiter Suit Shulkie had never amped her up. She was already amped and it helped contain her power. Just clearing that up.

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#41 Edited by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn:But the amp itself was short lived? I figured from the scans that the suit was there for control. I was just referencing the suit as the "name' of the power up.

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#42 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

OMFG, Was Jane just rescued by Throg. HAHAHAHA. Loving it!

Yep, and then he proceeded to find some mead to celebrate that. :D

Respect The Mighty Throg !! XD

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#43 Posted by Helloman (19222 posts) - - Show Bio

The team wins.

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#44 Posted by Battle123axe (8286 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: @lord_spectrum: to be fair, it’s been said that Hercules is as strong as he was previously, certainly nothing to the opposite

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#45 Posted by Chimeroid (8382 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: @lord_spectrum: to be fair, it’s been said that Hercules is as strong as he was previously, certainly nothing to the opposite

So, there is a statement saying that he is back at his old strength levels? Because, IIRC, in the New Gods story, he had a bit of an issue with lifting the metal Earth model.

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#46 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

@battle123axe:

Very interesting, do you know issue/source where it was stated?

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#47 Posted by God_Spawn (41977 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Gotcha. But yeah, it was. It shouldn’t be since nothing ever states she lost said amp. She just one day started struggling with 85 ton weights which should be relatively light for her since even before and after she was kicking people across cities and hurting characters that shrug that off like nothing like Red Hulk and Namor. I guess Ben could be stronger than her now since she might have lessened up on her training but Shulkies been a class 100 for awhile, even by feats.

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#48 Posted by Battle123axe (8286 posts) - - Show Bio

@battle123axe said:

@chimeroid: @lord_spectrum: to be fair, it’s been said that Hercules is as strong as he was previously, certainly nothing to the opposite

So, there is a statement saying that he is back at his old strength levels? Because, IIRC, in the New Gods story, he had a bit of an issue with lifting the metal Earth model.

i beleive so, he also was stated to be able to destroy mountains, so

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#49 Posted by Lvenger (35502 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: I agree Jen's past the Class 100 bar despite the 85 ton showing in Fraction's Fantastic Four run, but the Class 100 term has been outdated for a long time IMO. Based on her standard physical showings, Ben should be above her without the Jupiter suit amp. Also pretty sure Rulk has stomped She Hulk twice.

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#50 Posted by Battle123axe (8286 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid said:
@battle123axe said:

@chimeroid: @lord_spectrum: to be fair, it’s been said that Hercules is as strong as he was previously, certainly nothing to the opposite

So, there is a statement saying that he is back at his old strength levels? Because, IIRC, in the New Gods story, he had a bit of an issue with lifting the metal Earth model.

i beleive so, he also was stated to be able to destroy mountains, so

kicks the crap out of multiple heroes, tanking captain marvel's full blasts, no-selling spidey's sucker punch and being said to be unstoppable

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it's also important to note that he never actually had a change in power or power source. he almost did, but he was able to shake off the brand that was turning him into one. he really only uses guns now for the range and to be modern.

he's still strong enough to oneshot a monster that a thrown mjolnir couldn't affect, wrestle jane thor, and a beign with his strength was able to injure jane thor with her hits.