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Aquaman will replace Faora and Nam-Ek in Smallville and face noob Clark (so no feats for Clark in BvS/JL or from the final MOS fight). He has 20 Red Suite Atlanteans with him. No US Military in this fight.

Same circumstances.

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#2 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43135 posts) - - Show Bio

.....that’s not Smallville Superman

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#3 Posted by Richubs (4138 posts) - - Show Bio

He gets his shit handed to him. Aquaman loses hard

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#4 Posted by Reactor (4349 posts) - - Show Bio

Come on, now...

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#5 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3387 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman one shots

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#6 Edited by EcstaticGrace (7115 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd argue Arthur's stronger but Clark's faster and bullrushes a lot throughout the movie.

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#7 Posted by Syntix (515 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman gets stomped so bad.

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#8 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7309 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman would solo Atlantis

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#9 Posted by Supermanthor (18667 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman

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#10 Posted by AllHellKingDox (257 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman smacks him lol.

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#11 Posted by terry2012 (9818 posts) - - Show Bio
@reactor said:

Come on, now...

@richubs said:

He gets his shit handed to him. Aquaman loses hard

@syntix said:

Aquaman gets stomped so bad.

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#12 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7682 posts) - - Show Bio

Mos

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#13 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (11085 posts) - - Show Bio

He still stomps.

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#14 Posted by xZone (10334 posts) - - Show Bio

No

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#15 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman wins.

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#16 Posted by jashro44 (52341 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Edited by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by jashro44 (52341 posts) - - Show Bio

@diarrhearegatta: He still fought faster than the speed of sound and has feats to one shot.

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#19 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

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@diarrhearegatta: He still fought faster than the speed of sound and has feats to one shot.

Aquaman distracts Clark with his fodder and kills him with the trident before he can even get a offence in.

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#20 Posted by KalKent (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

I am. This Clark sucked.

This clark hit hard enough to send someone hundreds of meters with enough leftover force to topple two 166 ton locomotives. He one shots.

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#21 Edited by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent said:
@diarrhearegatta said:

I am. This Clark sucked.

This clark hit hard enough to send someone hundreds of meters with enough leftover force to topple two 166 ton locomotives. He one shots.

If you base a character winning over another on a isolated striking feat on a single dude and expect him to do the same here about 21 times, I don't know what to say.

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#22 Posted by KalKent (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent said:
@diarrhearegatta said:

I am. This Clark sucked.

This clark hit hard enough to send someone hundreds of meters with enough leftover force to topple two 166 ton locomotives. He one shots.

If you base a character winning over another on a isolated striking feat on a single dude and expect him to do the same here about 21 times, I don't know what to say.

It is not an isolated striking feat. He also smashed kryptonian(with ease) metal which sailed through skyscrapers like a hot knife cuts through butter. Arthur is getting one shotted no matter what.

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#23 Posted by KalKent (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats that aren't applicable here as the Zod fight isn't allowed. See above.

He smashed through kryptonian metal before the zod fight happened.

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#24 Edited by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

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@diarrhearegatta said:
@kalkent said:
@diarrhearegatta said:

I am. This Clark sucked.

This clark hit hard enough to send someone hundreds of meters with enough leftover force to topple two 166 ton locomotives. He one shots.

If you base a character winning over another on a isolated striking feat on a single dude and expect him to do the same here about 21 times, I don't know what to say.

It is not an isolated striking feat. He also smashed kryptonian(with ease) metal which sailed through skyscrapers like a hot knife cuts through butter. Arthur is getting one shotted no matter what.

Feats that aren't applicable here as the Zod fight isn't allowed. See above for the rest of my answer.

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#25 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman wrecks.

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#26 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent said:
@diarrhearegatta said:

Feats that aren't applicable here as the Zod fight isn't allowed. See above.

He smashed through kryptonian metal before the zod fight happened.

A single striking feat on a non human object. Meh.

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#27 Posted by KalKent (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

A single striking feat on a non human object. Meh.

It does not matter if it is on a non human object. He casually wrecked material that was capable of surfing through skyscrapers with no problem. Arthur is getting his brains pounded in with one of those shots.

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#28 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

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@diarrhearegatta said:

A single striking feat on a non human object. Meh.

It does not matter if it is on a non human object. He casually wrecked material that was capable of surfing through skyscrapers with no problem. Arthur is getting his brains pounded in with one of those shots.

It does, unless Clark is a renegade killer who hits everyone at his best punching strength. Scaling to skyscrapers also doesn't work because they don't have the feats from the Zod fight.

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#29 Posted by jashro44 (52341 posts) - - Show Bio

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@diarrhearegatta: He still fought faster than the speed of sound and has feats to one shot.

Aquaman distracts Clark with his fodder and kills him with the trident before he can even get a offence in.

I did miss the fodder in the OP but I don't see them as a threat. If Mera can blitz some of these guys and take them out it shouldn't be hard for Clark. Zack Snyder stated that the reason he had sonic booms in man of steel was to show off the speed of the kryptonians. Even at the point of man of steel superman was shrugging off stuff like this.

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As for the trident I think people overrate its piercing ability. People say that wonder woman couldn't cut through steppenwolf whereas she can cut doomsday but she used a 2 hand slash against doomsday. She never really swung her sword with the same force against steppenwolf or with the same force Aquaman threw his trident. And even than the trident just kind of stuck an inch in steppenwolf. I think even at this point Clark is still more powerful than Steppenwolf so I question if the trident will pierce superman. Even than while its possible for superman to get surprised tagging him isn't going to be easy.

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#30 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: First off, that's a feat from the zod fight, so that's not allowed here. Null and void.

This is Clark before his mother box amp, or his impressive feats against Zod. There's more than enough suggesting he can get tagged as he's still a noob and will be distracted by the fodder charging first.

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#31 Posted by Amendment50 (15424 posts) - - Show Bio

Clark one shots.

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#32 Posted by Aka_aka_aka_ak (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch, Superman touches Aquaman and he explodes

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#33 Edited by jashro44 (52341 posts) - - Show Bio

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@jashro44: First off, that's a feat from the zod fight, so that's not allowed here. Null and void.

This is Clark before his mother box amp, or his impressive feats against Zod. There's more than enough suggesting he can get tagged as he's still a noob and will be distracted by the fodder charging first.

Its not like Clark got a durability amp during the final battle. If anything he was actually weakened from the world engine. Regardless he has other durability feats like being thrown through a building and into a bank vault by faora. That's still far beyond Aquaman. He also was countering Faora while on the ground who is obviously much faster than Aquaman or the atlanteans.

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#34 Edited by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Faora has one feat of blitzing fodder. That's it. Her speed feats are rather limited. Clark was getting battered by the pair throughout the fight, and that was him paying attention. Fodder that he doesn't understand, and 20 of them, is enough to take Clark off the other guy.

I still think the new trident would definitely hurt him if he got hit by it.

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#35 Posted by Amendment50 (15424 posts) - - Show Bio

If you honestly think Superman's stats are different between the fight in Smallville and the fight in Metropolis in MoS then I don't think you understand the point of talking about feats.

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#36 Posted by jashro44 (52341 posts) - - Show Bio

@diarrhearegatta:

Faora has one feat of blitzing fodder. That's it.

I don't see what your point here is. She only needs the one feat. Namek was also seen breaking the sound barrier during smallville.

Clark was getting battered by the pair throughout the fight, and that was him paying attention.

I showed a gif of him countering Faora from a disadvantageous position. He was fighting 2 kryptonains 2 on 1. Can't exactly compare that to fodder who have no speed feats.

Fodder that he doesn't understand, and 20 of them, is enough to take Clark off the other guy.

I don't see why you keep saying that but there weapons can't hurt him. Faora throwing him through a building into a bank vault is enough. He can also use heat vision like he used against Namek and Faora.

I still think the new trident would definitely hurt him if he got hit by it.

There are no feats to support this.

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#37 Posted by Essem (286 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel sorry for Arthur, hope he seeks comfort from Mera after being handed a serious beatdown. MoS Superman is sooo much out of his league.

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#38 Posted by Matthew660 (1644 posts) - - Show Bio

Wtf is this spite match lol. Superman one shots.

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#39 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Clark with morals isn't going to run through 20 dudes like Faora did. The old and weaker trident dealt damage to Steppenwolf, who was able to take a good amount of abuse from Superman. The new one is stronger than that, based on the fact that Orm's trident (which broke that one in battle in a crash) was destroyed, so this confirms that the thing is made out of stronger stuff, so it's good enough to hurt him.

He also took Steppenwolf's punches as well, so it confuses me that a noob Clark with morals would one shot, lol

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#40 Posted by jashro44 (52341 posts) - - Show Bio

@diarrhearegatta:

Clark with morals isn't going to run through 20 dudes like Faora did.

Why not? We never saw him fight fodder in MOS from what I remember but he had no issue with doing that in BVS. I don't recall superman ever showing issue with bull rushing people. As long as he doesn't kill them its whatever.

The old and weaker trident dealt damage to Steppenwolf, who was able to take a good amount of abuse from Superman. The new one is stronger than that, based on the fact that Orm's trident (which broke that one in battle in a crash) was destroyed, so this confirms that the thing is made out of stronger stuff, so it's good enough to hurt him.

Steppenwolf taking punches from superman doesn't make him as durable superman. And again it was just superficial damage. It didn't knock steppenwolf out of the fight. The trident being stronger doesn't really matter to me.

He also took Steppenwolf's punches as well, so it confuses me that a noob Clark with morals would one shot, lol

Superman wasn't really going all out. He was mad but he didn't seem to be putting much effort in his attacks which is why even batman survived a hit.

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#41 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4627 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Faora did kill those dudes with her blitz through. Clark wouldn't do the same, unless provoked first. Even then, he's never really done such a thing, even when he was more experienced in JL. His fighting style more relies on him charging at individual targets with his power.

Doesn't make him as durable, sure, but it makes him pretty damn tough in terms of stats. Aquaman fending him multiple times is impressive nonetheless, and he was able to throw around him with swings and punches. That makes him remarkably strong, considering that Steppenwolf was at least fast enough to contend with Wonder Woman and him at the same time, fighting against a two sided attack successfully, which is very difficult.

Clark isn't one shotting here. The trident is enough to at least wound Clark to a specific measurement of damage.

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#42 Posted by jashro44 (52341 posts) - - Show Bio

@diarrhearegatta:

Faora did kill those dudes with her blitz through. Clark wouldn't do the same, unless provoked first. Even then, he's never really done such a thing, even when he was more experienced in JL. His fighting style more relies on him charging at individual targets with his power.

These aren't regular humans and Clark did bull rush quite a bit in man of steel. He did it to both Faora and Namek during man of steel. Its not out of character.

Doesn't make him as durable, sure, but it makes him pretty damn tough in terms of stats.

It doesn't prove Aquaman can pierce Clark though.

Aquaman fending him multiple times is impressive nonetheless, and he was able to throw around him with swings and punches. That makes him remarkably strong, considering that Steppenwolf was at least fast enough to contend with Wonder Woman and him at the same time, fighting against a two sided attack successfully, which is very difficult.

I mean yea Aruther got some hits in on Steppenwolf but even at this point Clark has the feats to beat him. Steppenwolf is fast enough to keep up with wonder woman but he isn't as fast as wonder woman. The way I see it, it goes Wonder Woman>Steppenwolf>Aquaman in terms of speed. Steppenwolf is fast enough to keep up with wonder woman but he isn't as fast her; whereas Aquaman is fast enough to keep up with steppenwolf but he probably isn't as fast as him either.

Clark isn't one shotting here. The trident is enough to at least wound Clark to a specific measurement of damage.

Than what? Clark is just going to stomp him into the ground. To be clear the only reason Clark doesn't one shot is morals.

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#43 Posted by Rebake (3943 posts) - - Show Bio

Why this thread

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#44 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (11085 posts) - - Show Bio

OK. Let's see:

  • Clark at the beginning of the Man of Steel flew right through a top of a mountain destroying the majority of it, by accident, and took no damage whatsoever in the process. Whilst Aquaman on the other hand got badly injured from a blast that took 3 seconds just to damage an extremely small hill. Clark could just blitz his way through Aquaman and his army of fodders.
  • Clark at the beginning of the Man of Steel blitzed Zod with enough force to casually destroy two concrete silos. Aquaman has no blunt force durability feats to suggest he won't die from a speedblitz like that, let alone remain conscious, same goes for his fodder army.
  • Clark at the beginning of the MoS was fighting Faora/Namek at FTS speeds, meaning Aquaman and his army won't tag him no matter how skilled they are. Besides he has the flight and heat vision advantage.
  • Clark at the beginning of the MoS punched Namek hard enough to send him flying several hundreds of meters away into a train with enough force to derail three train cars. A punch that powerful would go straight through Aquaman's chest.

With the above having been said, Superman wins in a rather one sided match up, 9/10.

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#45 Posted by nfactor1995 (12873 posts) - - Show Bio

If you honestly think Superman's stats are different between the fight in Smallville and the fight in Metropolis in MoS then I don't think you understand the point of talking about feats.

So much this. Super frustrating when people think that just because someone didn't explicitly do something earlier in a movie (such as tank Zod's hits), this means they lacked the capability. No reason to think that unless there is a specific, explicit, or clearly implicit amp that boosts them later in the movie.

On topic, Superman should stomp this.

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#46 Posted by TonyMartial (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

OK. Let's see:

  • Clark at the beginning of the Man of Steel flew right through a top of a mountain destroying the majority of it, by accident, and took no damage whatsoever in the process. Whilst Aquaman on the other hand got badly injured from a blast that took 3 seconds just to damage an extremely small hill. Clark could just blitz his way through Aquaman and his army of fodders.
  • Clark at the beginning of the Man of Steel blitzed Zod with enough force to casually destroy two concrete silos. Aquaman has no blunt force durability feats to suggest he won't die from a speedblitz like that, let alone remain conscious, same goes for his fodder army.
  • Clark at the beginning of the MoS was fighting Faora/Namek at FTS speeds, meaning Aquaman and his army won't tag him no matter how skilled they are. Besides he has the flight and heat vision advantage.
  • Clark at the beginning of the MoS punched Namek hard enough to send him flying several hundreds of meters away into a train with enough force to derail three train cars. A punch that powerful would go straight through Aquaman's chest.

With the above having been said, Superman wins in a rather one sided match up, 9/10.

He tanked consecutive hits from Karathen so he can tank that easily.

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@diarrhearegatta: He still fought faster than the speed of sound and has feats to one shot.

Aquaman distracts Clark with his fodder and kills him with the trident before he can even get a offence in.

I did miss the fodder in the OP but I don't see them as a threat. If Mera can blitz some of these guys and take them out it shouldn't be hard for Clark. Zack Snyder stated that the reason he had sonic booms in man of steel was to show off the speed of the kryptonians. Even at the point of man of steel superman was shrugging off stuff like this.

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As for the trident I think people overrate its piercing ability. People say that wonder woman couldn't cut through steppenwolf whereas she can cut doomsday but she used a 2 hand slash against doomsday. She never really swung her sword with the same force against steppenwolf or with the same force Aquaman threw his trident. And even than the trident just kind of stuck an inch in steppenwolf. I think even at this point Clark is still more powerful than Steppenwolf so I question if the trident will pierce superman. Even than while its possible for superman to get surprised tagging him isn't going to be easy.

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She pretty much did same against both & output is still different.

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#49 Edited by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (11085 posts) - - Show Bio

@tonymartial: I feel like that feat is a bit overrated, Arthur's surface area is much much much smaller compared to the Karathen's tentacles, he couldn't have been hit by all the force behind it, but rather a tiny portion of it. Granted, it's impressive to some degree but Superman's speedblitzes and punches are far more concentrated as opposed to the Karathen's attack. Thus, nah, he isn't surviving a serious speedblitz or even a punch from Superman.

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@supermanthor: Yup.

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