@ashrym:
That's just trying to apply real world physics to comic book physics. It's why I don't have much faith in Thor's rings feat or Aquaman's sub feat.
For what its worth the VFX team for infinity war confirmed the rings are "miles and miles long".
As for our earlier discussion, Poseidon's steel > vibranium based on the higher energy output we see a small amount of Poseidon's steel compared to the energy output we've seen from vibranium. That's where my thoughts were going in the tech discussion, if it wasn't clear.
I do see Atlantean steel > Iron Man's armor feats and Poseidon's steel a suitable replacement for vibranium at a minimum.
Well as I said different metals have higher melting points than others. The way it channels energy isn't really indicative of how tough it is.
That doesn't exceed the shockwave that destroyed Atlantis (that the trident and armor both survived) and the trigger for the originating shockwave. Remember, Atlantean steel > than the steel used in a tank construction as well.
I don't think it was the shock wave alone which destroyed atlantis. I think there experiments created a chain reaction which sunk atlantis. We did see the shockwave destroy a giant machine but keep in mind the hit that Thor used to create a shockwave which destroyed a tank was against vibranium. The feat isn't the shield taking a shockwave, its the shield taking a hit that was strong enough to create a shockwave which destroyed a tank.
Not sure the issue with the clip (nm, on second look it had embedding disabled - you should be able to play it in youtube), but it's Thor leaping up and smacking the ground to create a shockwave that knocked over others. He looked like he was putting more effort into it with less effectiveness. Didn't even show damage to the ground.
Its hard to judge effort in live action movies because we have to keep in mind that the actors are exerting themselves acting in these scenes. Thanos grunted picking up hulk and I don't think that really means anything.
The rock decelerates the second it leaves Kurse, and how strong is Kurse by feats? It's not like we can scale Kurse off Thor to prove Thor. The feat is Thor being cut by regular stone that was thrown with enough force to destroy the stone. There's no additional shockwave. There's no damage to the surroundings. Kurse breaking the boulder free wasn't that impressive either.
Why can't we scale Kurse from Thor? Again I haven't seen this Thor movie but my understanding is Kurse was stomping Thor pretty badly.
That piece of rock wasn't even as big as the one Manta destroyed with his plasma shot. Aquaman taking Manta's plasma blast with burns is a better feat given the size difference of the rocks in question. ;-)
Right. But just because a feat can't quantified doesn't mean its a bad feat. It just means no one can really say how impressive the feat is so you can't really use it to your advantage. I don't think anything should be taken away from MCU Thor because Kurse threw a boulder at him. Hulk and Thor have hurt each other by throwing objects like trains at each other but I would never call that a low showing:
I don't think we should hold it against characters when someone who is a physical equal/peer/superior hurts someone else using weapons within the environment. Like if juggernaut grabbed a wrecking ball and used it to pummel hulk I wouldn't view it as a low showing for hulk. I view thor being hit by a boulder thrown by Kurse the same way.
The problem with that statement is Iron Man's armor has been specifically stated to be a steel titanium alloy. Atlantean steel beats surface alloys and that's precisely why I stated we can scale Atlantean steel to Iron Man's armor. A lot of things in comics and movies are described as "indestructible" or "nearly indestructible". Both are subjective statements and either only holds true to the point we see what actually causes them damage.
I don't agree with scaling between two metals in different universes. Iron man's armor being as tough as it is could have to do with the way it is designed. Maybe it has very highly advanced shock absorbers built in. At the end of the day I just don't agree with scaling atlantean steel to Tony's armor when Tony's armor has better feats.
That gets back to Steppenwolf's axe, which has some solid feats to back up the durability of Atlantean steel. In Aquaman and Justice League, we did not see anything damage Atlantean steel other than more Atlantean steel or Poseidon's steel. Well, that and the Karathon who no sold destroying it. It handled crushing pressure and lava just fine. It handled Parademons, who could tear pieces off of the Batmobile and later hurt Steppenwolf. It's above Cyborg's alien metal (which tanked Supes' heat vision as well and I can give plenty of feats of heat vision against standard metals to demonstrate Cyborg's metal is also > earthly metals) created by motherbox, which Steppenwolf's axe cleaved nicely.
I think Atlantean steel > Cyborg's metal body or Steppenwolf's axe is pretty impressive.
It is impressive. I do just want to say that I am not scaling vibranium to Thor's high end feat. I am presenting a measureable feat for vibranium that just so happens to involve thor.
Okoye's spear is definitely vibranium and using the stone to block the spear or bullets implies he believes those can hurt him. It's implied many times in Infinity War that blades and piercing weapons can hurt Thanos.
Honestly I wouldn't take anything that happened at the end of infinity war seriously. Black Widow ran at thanos with a taser.
Also, Steppenwolf has this shockwave with his axe. A person cannot simply take the high showing of Thor's hammer on Cap's shield and then dismiss the power of Steppenwolf's axe.
Anyway, I've given my opinion and stated my case.
Fair enough.
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