@sexybayonetta22: he'd destroy Arthur before that happens. Arthur is pretty weak overall. Barely Diana level.
Aquaman (DCEU) vs Endgame Thanos (MCU)
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@arqe: Wrong. He didn't use the powerstone at all for the ship (caught off guard) or missiles (he had something stopping him from closing his hand).
And for the other feat he really didn't have time to completely block it yet.
@allstarsuperman said:
The fact that a less than peakhuman Tony can temporarily survive the snap means that it's not that big a deal. It hurt hulk sure but that was the weakest MCU Hulk has ever been.
The fact that Aquaman can take a hit from Superman and the miles long sea monster proves that he can hold up to Thano's attacks. Also he took kept up with the faster Steppenwolf and took multiple hits from him as well. I don't see why Arthur couldn't hang on long enough to stab Thanos to death. All he has to do is go for the head.
Tony surviving the snap is likely PIS so his loved ones would get a chance to say Goodbye. It could also be that we know Tony's suit can absorb energy so perhaps Tony's suit absorbed what energy it could to power up his armor like what Thor's lightning has done in the past (all though the gems obviously being a much more powerful source of energy). It left hulk permanently damaged despite the fact that banner said he was made for the snap since the energy was mostly gamma. Which seems to suggest hulk would be especially resistant. Yet Thanos was able to perform the snap twice and after 2 snaps his arm was still in better shape than hulk's arm.
Superman was pretty much toying with the league in that fight. Batman also took a hit from superman but its not really a big deal. If we scale Thanos from Thor's ring feat he probably is stronger than the karathan as well, plus he is using a balded weapon. We saw atlantean steal from black manta can cut Arthur so thanos with his bladed weapon should get the job done. Going for the head isn't going to be easy. Thanos is fast and skilled enough to counter attacks from cap, iron man and thor at the same time:
Thanos armor was also able to deflect a strike from stormbreaker which can pierce thanos flesh. So its not exactly easy for Aquaman to even damage thanos. Aquaman also lacks the strength feats to meet Thanos blade head on. This isn't even getting into Aquaman's low showings in his solo movie which do exist. He was very inconsistent.
I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment, but I find it odd you would mention Aquaman's inconsistency while using Thor's ring feat to scale when that's such an outlier. Being an outlier is why I don't give much credibility to Aquaman's sub feat so I wouldn't accept it coming from the other side as a valid argument. with the rings. It's not like it's consistent with Thor in any other appearance he has in the MCU.
Well I was mostly debating under the pretense of using high-end feats.
Plus while I can see why you think Thor's feat in infinity war is an outlier I don't think its as inconsistent as Aquaman's high end feats. Thor doesn't really have any low showings when it comes to strength to my knowledge. The main reason I can see Thor's feat as an outlier is because of Professor hulk's showing in End Game with Tony's house however it can be argued Professor hulk is weaker than regular hulk or that hulk was weakened from the snap so it is possible that might not even really apply to Thor.
As I said I can see why one would think the ring feat is a bit of an outlier. So I wont debate this.
Tony surviving the snap as long as he did was obviously PIS. There's no indication his armor absorbed anything there.
I agree. I just suggested the absorption thing as an alternative since some people hate using the term PIS.
We also saw Atlantean armor deflect Steppenwolf's axe. I have no doubt Thanos can cut Aquaman's flesh but the armor argument works both ways. I believe Aquaman's trident can pierce Thanos flesh because it was made of Poseidon's steel and shown better than the best Atlantean steel (Orm's trident). The color of Aquaman's armor seems to indicate it's also made from Poseidon's steel.
I don't think it can pierce Thanos. Its best feat is piercing steppenwolf's chain mail but I think thanos is more durable in general. As for Aruthur's armor Steppenwolf's axe was pretty inconsistent. There were times where it operated as a blunt instrument. The Russos also suggested in an interview that Thanos weapon could be made out of a special metal greater than vibranium. They said:
"Clearly Thanos is a thousand-year-old character who has fought everyone in the universe and is the greatest: He's the Genghis Khan of the universe, so he would have the greatest weapon,"
Given that Atlantean steel > surface materials and Poseidon's steel > Atlantean steel we have a basis to use Iron Man's armors to scale Aquaman's armor and weapons above Iron Man's armor durability. We can see Thanos impact on Iron Man's armor, as well as other Avengers at other times. More importantly, what it resists.
Well if your talking about in the gif I posted it looks like he hit iron man with the side of his blade rather than the edge. We know Thanos with that blade smashed through vibranium which is something Thor with mjolnir can't scratch. Vibranium itself is above any known metal alloy on earth.
I would also put out there that Orm is an 8th dan, and 5 time winner of such and such, and his father's trident was undefeated. Aquaman did well enough his first encounter with Orm and defeated him his second encounter, so there is an argument for skill feats that we don't see from Thanos.
Thanos is a 1000 year old war lord who has been described by the Russos as being a more polished fighter than the likes of Thor and Loki. They've even described him as unbeatable albeit that could be due to his stats in combination with his skill. Thor and Loki both have some decent feats of skill so Thanos being better than them should mean something.
"He’s not using it. This is to show that Thanos, the Genghis Khan of the Marvel Universe, he’s unbeatable in a 1-on-1 battle. He’s conquered thousands of worlds. He’s a much more polished fighter than the Hulk, and Thor, and Loki."
Another good skill feat could be thanos fight with captain marvel depending on if you think she was absorbing the gauntlet when she no sold his headbutt. If you don't think she was absorbing the gauntlet than that would mean thanos briefly fought someone who was a lot faster and stronger than him since she was able to bull rush him before he could snap his fingers as well. Yet when they fought H2H he dodged her punch and threw her aside using her own momentum. Also while I haven't seen captain marvel's movie I know she does have some form of training:
This could be a good showing of thanos countering someone who had a massive physical advantage on him through skill. I also already showed Thanos countering/blocking attacks from Thor, iron man, and cap at the same time all of whom are very skilled in there own right. We've also seen him striking vitals against the hulk, and out perfomring Thor in terms of the number of hits he lands and dodges against the hulk once he regains his composure from hulk's cheap shot (which I think proves definitely Thanos is a better fighter than Thor since Thor never really went untouched against hulk despite it being easier for Thor to use his agility to maneuver around hulk):
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Aquaman is very skilled but I think if he has an advantage in skill its probably negligible. Orm being a champion fighter was pretty good but Aquaman could only beat him when Orm was out of his element. Thanos is actually quite skilled as far as power houses go.
Off the top of my head, Thor couldn't break out of Loki's cell on the heli-carrier while Loki killed Colson. He only cracked the polymer. He didn't manage to escape until the cell had almost fallen to the ground. That's a far cry from what he should have been able to do given the star forge rings.
IIRC wasn't that cell built to contain the hulk? Also according to the script of the avengers Thor apparently shook the entire hellicarrier with that strike. So its actually a pretty good feat for Thor.
Hell, he was bleeding from in Dark World, just like Hulk was bleeding from a helicopter crashing into him in his own solo movie. People on the vine tend to go for the high feats and lowball other characters while forgetting their own favorite characters typically have their own low showings.
I never saw the dark world so no comment on this. This is the first I've heard of this showing.
Mjolnir is also blunt so scratching vibranium is less likely than a slashing type of weapon. What are vibranium's best durability feats?
Probably taking the hit from Thor in the forest.
Captain Marvel has military training from Earth and advanced military training from time among the Kree. She doesn't have the resume Ocean Master does, and Aquaman was doing well enough against Orm even in the water for some time.
Well my main point was Carol is a stat beast compared to Thanos. She was arguably strong enough to no sell his attacks depending on if you think she was absorbing energy from the gauntlet during that one scene. And she also bull rushed thanos faster than he could snap his fingers. That is the main reason I consider Thanos showing against Carol to be impressive. Its a showing of him using skill against someone who is physically superior (possibly).
Admittedly I am not sure if Carol is stronger or if she was absorbing energy from the gauntlet. I also never saw her solo movie.
I agree the skill difference isn't enough to change the outcome. I was just looking at this thread and it looks like several posters were severely understating Aquaman's ability here. The only reason I chose to respond to your post was because it looked thought out and you tend to be reasonable when we disagree.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
It was the cell that was meant to contain the Hulk. The movie didn't demonstrate the heli-carrier shaking. It showed the cell rattle in the chamber. The entire heli-carrier shaking should have set off alarms and brought ppl running. If that was in the script I'm not sure it made it to the end cut. Also, it looked like the cell didn't survive the fall, as well as Thor looking worried about that same fall.
Its possible that is what they meant to show but the editors edited the scene poorly. There was kind of an invasion going on so its not surprising people didn't run because there were more pressing matters.
Using Mjolnir as the best feat for vibranium after mentioning Mjolnir didn't scratch vibranium is hard to evaluate. That's an argument that started with vibranium being extremely durable because Mjolnir didn't scratch it and then Mjolnir not scratching it being the best feat to prove it's durability. Cap's shield feats, Black Panther's suit durability feats, Vision's body, Ultron's body. What they have tanked demonstrated vibranium durability.
We know that vibranium body armor is bullet proof and claws can cut metal as shown with Black Panther. That doesn't demonstrate enough. We know Cap's shield could block bullets and plasma, cut into metal, and cut Spiderman's webbing. Vision lacks much for feats. Ultron took repulsor blasts and lightning which gets a bit better. Early Scarlet Witch was able to tear his core out while he was weakened. The arguments start to seem to become circular scaling after a while without solid feats. Given that Thor struggled with the glass in the cell how much more durable is vibranium than that cell at this point, really?
The whole reason I brought up mjolnir was as a feat for vibranium.Just look at the damage the shockwaves alone create as a reuslt of the shield. In the latter gif the shockwave destroys a tank meaning the actual hit would be way stronger. The hit in the first gif looks like it was swung with greater force IMO:
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As for not breaking the glass its clearly not normal glass if they thought it could contain the hulk.
The comments on Captain Marvel being physically superior don't match up with his showing in Endgame against everyone at the end. Although it would beg the question about her being more powerful that I think or is he less powerful than other people think? She certainly has some travel speed but she didn't match him in physical power. Thanos performance in that battle is a good demonstration why Aquaman isn't taking this. If she was that powerful that fight should have gone much more easily.
Why doesn't it match up? Thanos used the power gem to take her down.
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