Apocalypse vs Dr. Polaris

Apocalypse VS Dr. Polaris (Emerson)

-Composite(Post-Crisis and onward) feats for Polaris.

-Win by any means.

Apocalypse

Apocalypse

I feel like this is a stomp in favor of Dr. Polaris, i mean Apocalypse is technically has lots of metal in him due to that Celestial Armor and that techno-organic mumbo jumbo, Polaris could use it as an advantage.

Apocolypse

He could get the techno organic virus that lives in Apocalypse body and that would kill Dr. Polaris, i don't think Apocalypse armor is metal either as it's weird alien tech that can withstand hits from Thor etc without damage.

Do you have any source or link that proves that the armor is not made of metal??

@hellionvulcan:

He could get the techno organic virus that lives in Apocalypse body and that would kill Dr. Polaris,

Elaborate how it would kill Polaris? He can control it and be done with it.

Plus he can also do the infamous Iron in Blood Rip trick, so there is that as well, and there is instances of him manipulating non-metal objects like wood (yep, that happened but in way past) and humans (no iron in blood mumbo jumbo).

i don't think Apocalypse armor is metal either as it's weird alien tech that can withstand hits from Thor etc without damage.

Any evidence that it is not metal?

Also just because it withstands high-level attacks doesn't mean it is not metal, by the same logic adamantium is not metal and etc...

Apocalypse with some difficulty.

Why would Celestial's use metal to create the Apocalypse Armor ?. Metal is well below their power scope and technology as it's never been stated what it is made from as it could be the same material that makes up the Celestial's physical form, which would make sense going by the Jarnbjorn enchantment that made the axe capable of killing them and temporary wounding Apocalypse.

The virus kills and how would he just control it since he doesn't know it exists or how it even works ?, Pull the iron from a being that can heal and control his entire body down to the molecular level.

Read my post here.

This is so one sided.

@lord_spectrum: @hellionvulcan: Celestial armor has magnetic properties. Magneto helped fuse a Celestial back together

@ghostravage: In favor of who?

@hellionvulcan:

Why would Celestial's use metal to create the Apocalypse Armor ?.

Why wouldn't they? It's comics, things happen, and then It looks like metal, then it is metal, unless specified. the key word here is specified. We even have Magneto manipulating their armor (as POOTY pointed it out), so if Magneto could do it, then so can Polaris, since they have literally same powers.

Metal is well below their power scope and technology as it's never been stated what it is made from

Thus it is just your speculation that it is not metal. Plus you don't evidence pointing out that Apoc uses the same type of "armor" as Celestials.

as it could be the same material that makes up the Celestial's physical form,

Speculation with no proper evidence.

which would make sense going by the Jarnbjorn enchantment that made the axe capable of killing them and temporary wounding Apocalypse.

IIRC correctly Thor could damage Apoc's armor even before enchanting it during his Young era days.

Also wounding Celestials is not really a big deal, IIRC Thor with Mjolnir did it, Odin with Odinsword and amp did it, but the point is not harming them, but also killing their life-force, that's what enchantment in that axe does, it destroys their energy true forms inside them.

@hellionvulcan:

The virus kills and how would he just control it since he doesn't know it exists or how it even works ?

The guy has total control over magnetic fields, all he has to do is simply disrupt it inside Apocalypse, he is not gonna make contact with it, he has personal forcefields and such.

The virus has to touch Polaris in order to affect him, but it ain't gonna happen and he has personal forcefields protecting him, so double no.

, Pull the iron from a being that can heal and control his entire body down to the molecular level.

Doesn't mean he can't be KO'd, plus there is obviously a limit how much energy he has for that power, so it's not really limitless, while Dr. Polaris can draw power from Magnetic field of Earth or Light, so his energy reserves will always be pretty much on full.

Dr. Polaris.

@hellionvulcan: @lord_spectrum: Magneto Celestial scan below. He also acted as it's nervous system

http://i.imgur.com/XhPHy0N.jpg

And how does that relate to Apocalypse since Magneto was most likely manipulating some form of electricity which is not something Apocalypse needs to function. Pretty sure Sinister had messed with the celestial as well iirc.

POOTY example was against a Celestial not Apocalypse so it has no relevance considering 616 Apocalypse has never been harmed by magnetic powers or some form of electricity that Mags used. There's no evidence either way as i stated from the get go lol and Celestial's >>>> Odin as they have tanked Odin's best before even backed by Zeus and they failed badly. Thor never wounded Apocalypse before the enchantment (they have fought four/five times now and Thor has only won once on panel) and going by the Apocalypse vs both Thor's fight the enchanted axe can't harm Apocalypse any more.

But he has zero feats of harming anyone on Apocalypse level or similar skill set so assumptions don't mean anything and Apocalypse has never shown a limit to any power, The virus is in Apocalypse blood as you said remove the iron from it which would put the virus into the air which is bad news for DR. Polaris. Apocalypse has never been ko'd in all his comic history and considering that Apocalypse absorbs energy as it doesn't make sense to use those types of attacks against him.

@lord_spectrum: Exactly

Apocalypse.

Apoc is a human. So he has iron in his blood and electricity in his body. Polaris should be able to manipulate that. Or wrap him in 100s of tons of metal.

Well Apoc should be able to counter or control iron/blood manipulation on a molecular level.

Apocalypse ftw

Polaris should win

@cosmic_reign: can you show Apoc doing something similar to that on a molecular level?

Even if the blood trick doesn't work. Polaris has flung a billion tons of metal at once. Can Apoc tank that?

He also trapped Firestorm in a magnetic bubble to incapacitate him. That might work also

Apocalypse wins.

@lord_spectrum: there is no canon evidence that magnetism works on it but even if there were Apocalypse has greater control over it than polaris

Well total molecular manipulation is a part of Apocs power set. And even iron has a molecular structure.

Shield, trans-mutation and telekinesis could easily negate thrown metal.

You point out good and effective feats...but Apocalypse's powers are too versatile(if used properly) IMO

@cosmic_reign: Starfox and all Eternals are said to have total molecular control because of his race. That's why I ask for feats. So has anyone ripped Apoc apart or exploded him etc?

Apoc has TK power in the BILLION ton range? His shields are that durable? Can he transmute that much material?

I ask because I rarely see him in action. See post 6 of this link for Polaris billion ton feat.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/black-lightning-vs-doctor-polaris-691412/

@hellionvulcan:

And how does that relate to Apocalypse since Magneto was most likely manipulating some form of electricity which is not something Apocalypse needs to function. Pretty sure Sinister had messed with the celestial as well iirc.

That scan is literally him using metal manipulation to warp a celestial's armor. If he can do it to a celestial, he can do it to apocalypse, end of story. Stop using conjecture.

Problem here is that Apocalypse will be resisting/countering and fighting back, whereas the Celestial was dormant(only armor).

Mags and Polaris composite and combined could NOT even hope to perform such a feat to an active Celestial.

@cosmic_reign: Apocalypse has control over his body. What kind of control has he shown Manipulating his armor?

The ability to turn his body/armor into malleable forms like being able to detach his head from his body, during his fight against two Thor's he enlarged his body to the size of a skyscraper and stretched his arms and overpowered both Thor's, He has been able to manipulate his body by creating holes to dodge optic blasts from cyke Ikarus and tanked blasts from High Evolutionary (Apocalypse used his molecule control ability in this fight) and even teleported him against his will. Apocalypse tk has lifted a mountain sized Castle out of the ground as Apocalypse has the durability to tank everything Dr. Polaris throws at him.

apocalypse

Polaris stomps