ANGELA VS MAGIK

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ROUND ONE RANDOM ENCOUNTER, NEUTRAL GROUND

ROUND TWO MAGIK HAS ACCESS TO LIMBO POWERS BUT CANNOT GO TO LIMBO

WHO TAKES THIS FIGHT?

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I think angela is probably faster and stronger physically but magik can teleport and has crazy dark magic. Angela probably but i could see magik getting some wins. Angela 6.5/10

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Going to go with the half-sister of Thor myself. While Magik definitely can take this with some of her h4x, I would put the stats and abilities of Angela for the majority.

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@noqualms: I'm pretty much on board with this can see either or taking it.

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#8  Edited By chiq

Magik.

She's faced off vs super strong opponents before like S'ym, Demon Juggernaut, etc...She's reacted to things faster than Angela, her armor can also block attacks (auto shields). She has all sorts of hax spells (cloacking, intangibility, etc..)and an army of demons at her beck and call.

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Pretty sure Angela takes this

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@chiq: superior stats her ribbons and swords can block Magic's magic

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#14  Edited By chiq

@_kingoflatveria said:

@chiq: superior stats her ribbons and swords can block Magic's magic

Magik has a weapon that would one-shot her and all her magical gear. Her armor can also combat the ribbons.

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She's way more versatile ( Illusions, magical shields, cloaking, etc...) has demons for distractions as back up. Magik's magic as also affected opponents "Immune" to magic. People also downplay her fighting skills.

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@chiq:

Angela has a oneshot weapon combined with superior speed being able to keep up with Thordis and her ribbons can take care of the demons on their own

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@chiq said:

Magik.

She's faced off vs super strong opponents before like S'ym, Demon Juggernaut, etc...She's reacted to things faster than Angela, her armor can also block attacks (auto shields). She has all sorts of hax spells (cloacking, intangibility, etc..)and an army of demons at her beck and call.

Faced off and reacted to, but if you are asking if she actually beat everyone in those categories, the answer is not really. And it isn't just speed or strength. It is speed AND strength, and gear of Angela's own, with the skill to use it well.

And even I didn't give it to Angela all the time, for a lot of the same reasons you put towards the end and more - I do know that Angela has all sorts of h4x that have great potential to be a whole monkey wrench to Angela.

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#17  Edited By chiq

@chiq:

Angela has a oneshot weapon combined with superior speed being able to keep up with Thordis and her ribbons can take care of the demons on their own

Her demons have taken on entire teams of heros. Just porting in S'ym would be trouble enough for Angela on her own. Magik as beaten beings way more powerful than Angela. Her Armor blocked the Soul Sword which is superior weapon to anything Angela has. Sy'm also could break adamantium but he couldn't tear down her armor.

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#18  Edited By chiq

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@chiq said:

Magik.

She's faced off vs super strong opponents before like S'ym, Demon Juggernaut, etc...She's reacted to things faster than Angela, her armor can also block attacks (auto shields). She has all sorts of hax spells (cloacking, intangibility, etc..)and an army of demons at her beck and call.

Faced off and reacted to, but if you are asking if she actually beat everyone in those categories,

She's actually beaten Sy'm and Demon Juggernaut. She's one-shotted cl 100 Molly, one-shotted the Vision, Colossus w/ celestial tech amp who as owning the x-men, etc...

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She also has AOE blasts that can keep Angela and the ribbons at bay

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@chiq: who's Sy'm?

Magik's pet demon.

powerful demon who can break logan's claws, he also has magic, regen, teleportation, etc...

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@destinyman75: battle of baes, can't decide... Rather kill myself, the inner struggle is too strong

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@chiq: fair enough I change my vote to Magik

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Magik is far more versatile

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@destinyman75: I don't get what round 2 means? She's not in Limbo but she's at full power? That wouldn't be fair...Better to keep it with just her Earth feats.

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@chiq: meant can draw energy from it but yeah round two leave out would be too much hax I suppose

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@chiq: meant can draw energy from it but yeah round two leave out would be too much hax I suppose

Well ever since she turned into a phoenix host she's been able to draw more energy from Limbo into earth. She's still nowhere near as powerful though when she's inside Limbo since she has total control of everything there and basically immortal.

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@chiq: FYI Magik armor is very slow it barely came on to withstand cannonball and he’s like supersonic.

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Don’t even try to post her teleporting a ship moving at mftl speed because all she had to do is focus on a target and teleport them. Teleportation is not even speed.

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#31  Edited By chiq

@kasya_carey said:

@chiq: FYI Magik armor is very slow it barely came on to withstand cannonball and he’s like supersonic.

The point of the scans is the armor protects her even without her thinking about it. She didnt even know it existed. She wasn't harmed.

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Don’t even try to post her teleporting a ship moving at mftl speed because all she had to do is focus on a target and teleport them. Teleportation is not even speed.

Teleporting onto ships moving at mftl speed means she can tag Angela no matter how fast she's flying. Just like when she nailed a flying cosmic slaughter lord in orbit. It also means she can do it light years away and completely blindside her from the back because she's done this attack numerous times. (Molly, Magneto, Ant-man< etc...) She can even do it cloaked.

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#32 kasya_carey  Online

@chiq: she still needs to think and Angela has shown to match Thor in speed. Don’t even bother showing her teleporting while Thor threw his hammer. He clearly didn’t throw it at full speed and if he wanted to it would have blitzed her.

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#33  Edited By chiq
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@chiq: she still needs to think and Angela has shown to match Thor in speed. Don’t even bother showing her teleporting while Thor threw his hammer. He clearly didn’t throw it at full speed and if he wanted to it would have blitzed her.

Yeah, and Magik's evaded Thor's AOE lighting spam as well numerous other types of attacks and blitzes. She's not getting blitzed here. She's even teleported whole teams out of attacks while being a whole continent away.

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#34 kasya_carey  Online

@chiq: show me where Thor purposely wants to blitz her. Reacting to lightning is cool, but Thor himself is faster. Once again she has to focuse on what she’s teleporting. Angela could easily blitz her by then. Just because she teleported them from an attack does mean it’s Thor level fast.

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#36  Edited By chiq

@kasya_carey said:

@chiq: show me where Thor purposely wants to blitz her. Reacting to lightning is cool, but Thor himself is faster. Once again she has to focuse on what she’s teleporting. Angela could easily blitz her by then. Just because she teleported them from an attack does mean it’s Thor level fast.

Magik casuallyteleported out of Thor's attacks, while mocking him. Thor was telling her she would pay for throwing his fellow Avengers in Limbo and torturing them. Angela got hit by Thor's lightning...Magik didn't.

Magik has also teleported multiple laser attacks coming at her from all directions. Since you say Magik has to focus on things to teleport them (it's true she does) that means she can react to multiple high speed attacks coming her way.

Magik has huge edge in hax, versatility and numbers (demons) She has even more instances of blocking attacks w/ her sword then Angela does. She's also avoided more attacks than Angela has and has Armor that could block her attacks. She also has a history of beating foes more powerful than Angela.

Anyway...ok if you think Magik can't react to Thor level speed let's just agree to disagree.

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#37 kasya_carey  Online

@chiq: once again Thor himself is faster than lightning.

Reacting to lasers means nothing in fiction some aren’t even subsonic.

Not how it works. If she see lasers coming her way, she’s gonna teleport. She doesn’t have to worry about the lasers coming from behind, if she’s already aware of them in front of her.

True but she lack combat speed and faster reactions.

FYI if Thor wanted to beat Magik up, he would. He has so many feats far above her it’s laughable.

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#38  Edited By chiq

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@chiq: once again Thor himself is faster than lightning.

Reacting to lasers means nothing in fiction some aren’t even subsonic.

Not how it works. If she see lasers coming her way, she’s gonna teleport. She doesn’t have to worry about the lasers coming from behind, if she’s already aware of them in front of her.

True but she lack combat speed and faster reactions.

FYI if Thor wanted to beat Magik up, he would. He has so many feats far above her it’s laughable.

She didn't teleport away, she teleported the lasers away. Magik has a better track record of avoiding attacks then Thor has. Magik avoided Thor's attacks Angela didn't. Pretty simple...

Magik has a weapon that can one-shot Thor and absorb his attacks. All his strength and durablity showings don't matter here. She has the reactions and powers to avoid Thor's attacks...since she already has. She can tele-dismember his head off.

Magik is a Hell Lord and Sorcerer Supreme.. don't really see anything that makes him far above her. In an alternate future the Soul Sword absorbed the attacks of all the earth's mystics and returned it back 100 fold which then caused Mjolnir to explode killing Thor.

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@chiq: True didn't think of that

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@chiq: Post 28 agree mostly but doubtful she's one shotting Thor

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@chiq: True enough just thinking her skills work better against that type rather then half elder gods but could be wrong

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@chiq: lmao please Thor has feats that put him FTL to MFTL. Magik has nothing to compete with that speed. You can keep hyping her up, but the fastest she’s shown is MHS to probably MHS+. Alternative future means nothing it didn’t happen..... so not usable. Hell Lord does not make you unstoppable sooo? I do agree Magik has higher durability since her and Storm took a hit from World eater and didn’t die. Angela use piercing attacks though.

Btw is this Image or marvel Angela?

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#45  Edited By chiq

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@chiq: lmao please Thor has feats that put him FTL to MFTL. Magik has nothing to compete with that speed. You can keep hyping her up, but the fastest she’s shown is MHS to probably MHS+. Alternative future means nothing it didn’t happen..... so not usable. Hell Lord does not make you unstoppable sooo? I do agree Magik has higher durability since her and Storm took a hit from World eater and didn’t die. Angela use piercing attacks though.

Btw is this Image or marvel Angela?

lol Thor is FTL combat fighter now? You're the one hyping his speed up. Thor throws his hammer this is what happens, Magik ports it outside reality. Infact she can port the hammer even when he doesn't throw it.

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I've already showed Magik's armor blocking the Soul Sword (which is more powerful than anything Angela has) and slashes from the demon bear. Both are piercing attacks.

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@chiq: @chiq: Magik can’t compete with Thor in speed. He has flown to different universes in a short about of time. Magik can’t react that fast.

Why are you showing a feat not hers. Phoenix amped Magik is valid here. Reacting to bullets means nothing here.

Most of the time it doesn’t even cover her whole body.

Her Armour resisting a magical sword is different from Angela weapons.

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#47  Edited By chiq

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@chiq: @chiq: Magik can’t compete with Thor in speed. He has flown to different universes in a short about of time. Magik can’t react that fast.

Why are you showing a feat not hers. Phoenix amped Magik is valid here. Reacting to bullets means nothing here.

Most of the time it doesn’t even cover her whole body.

Her Armour resisting a magical sword is different from Angela weapons.

That's travel speed. He doesn't move that fast. Magik has teleported to other universes instantly. Phoenix amp doesn't amp reaction time. Magik always opens multiple portals. PF Emma couldn't react to quicksilver. Why am I showing the Thanos feat? It's because Magik is fully capable of replicating that move.

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Her magical sword (contrary to popular belief) can slice through non-magical items and beings. S'ym could break adamantium but couldn't do anything to her armor. Also how sure are you Angela's weapons aren't mystical in nature?(could be wrong here)

As she grew more powerful the Soul Sword started affecting non magical objects which she could even turn into demons.

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Anyway forget it... this debate is tiring. If you feel Angela stomps Magik because she fought Thor, despite Magik having superior feats in most categories...so be it.

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#48 kasya_carey  Online

@chiq: nothing you put down is fast enough to match Thor. Your keep putting all these feats if you want but they lack speed. Like I said at best she’s MHS range. Thor is far higher. Hell Thor was to Thor his hammer to the farthest end of the galaxy in one panel and react to it when it came back. Magik can’t operate on that speed. don’t even bring up she teleported from the hammer becuse if he throw it hard enough like it threw it to the farthest end of the galaxy, he would take her body off.

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#49 kasya_carey  Online

@chiq: also I even stated Magik is above her abilities wise. I was only stating Anglea can easily take her out with combat speed.

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#50  Edited By chiq

@kasya_carey said:

@chiq: also I even stated Magik is above her abilities wise. I was only stating Anglea can easily take her out with combat speed.

and what combat feats are you talking about? fighting Thor? (who magik has also avoided both lightning and hammer) or Maybe the time when Magik held of Cap America, Thor and Black knight with her swordsmanship. Being faster than lighting which Magik has also avoided on top of other teleporting reaction feats above that like hopping onto ftl spaceships and avoiding Spectrum blitzes. I guarantee you Magik has more feats of avoiding attacks then Angela has.

The only thing Angela has over Magik is strength and if you scale to her fighting Thor i can scale to Magik fighting S'ym and it's also been stated on panel that Magik has super strength when she's pissed off.