Android 17 vs Goku Black

Android 17

Goku Black

Rules:

• Tournament of power rules apply to this battle (i.e, No Flight, Killing, Outside equipment ect)
• Morals on, Everyone is in character though serious and determined to win
• Both opponents are in healthy condition
• Starting distance is 100 feet apart from eachother and are visible
• Win is by ToP standards off the arena, All though in this scenario KO or Incapitation is also allowed
• No Outside interference, just these two

Location: ToP Arena

• Arena is stable, though has rubble out everywhere
• Both fighters have the exact amount of time given in the ToP allows to finish there match
• Starting distance is 100 feet apart from eachother and are visible

Callouts:

Black stomps like crazy stomps

I think base black could win high diff

Goku Black high-diff.

DBS Android 17 feats

Is able to overwhelm SSJ Goku and seeminly go toe to toe with SSB Goku and being equals with him in an armlock exchange.

Holds his ground against Jiren's onslaught of attacks even after unleashing his power, gets into a armlock exchange with him for a bit. And finally after Jiren attempts to obliterate the remaining U7 fighters Android 17 is able to keep the energy attack at bay and even force Jiren to put effort in breaking through the shields.

And here, Android 17 with a powered up attack is able to damage Jiren, This feat is rather questionable about being able to scratch Jiren which I'll leave it to you guys to debate about. Also worth bringing up at 1:10 17 firing a barrage of ki blasts thanks to his unlimited stamina is able to push back Jiren.

Here tanks Jiren's ferocious attacks and is still capable of fighting, Also more showings of his shields and fighting prowess. shows his stamina and recovering capabilities.

17 is now confirmed to be SSJB tier at least. His showings against God of Destruction Toppo and Jiren using scaling put him way above anything Black’s done. Even if 17 is equal to Black in power, his unlimited stamina, superior strategic abilities, and crazy strong barrier means 17 would tire Black out eventually.

17 has unlimited stamina but Black seams to get stronger as he fights and is already stronger than 17, plus has some good moves. I think Black would probably stab 17 and 17 won't be able to recover completely from that. Black wins mid to high difficulty.

I can't really say, too many factors. Black improves so fast in fights and has clones in his corner. On the other hand 17 has notable advantages in his corner(barrier, speed, stamina). 50/50, depends on situation.

Goku Black.

17’s showings are awesome, some of the best in terms of ‘badassness’ in the entire series, but they’re good for different reasons than what usually constitutes ‘badass’ in Dragonball. He didn’t really ‘beat’ anyone that was super powerful, he just did really well against people who clearly outclassed him.

I think 17 would put up a great fight but doesn’t really have the raw power to beat Black. I could be persuaded though.

Black carves him up.

Yeah, Black still wins.

black probably wins but only due to his power to improve take that away and 17 wins mid diff

if 17 self destructs then they either stalemate or 17 wins

alot closer than some think

Black. If we keep wanking 17, the next episode we're all going to assume base Vegeta is SSB level.

Blacks ability to adapt would win out before 17's stamina advantage took hold me thinks.

It'd be the fight of Black's life though.

Goku Black

how is 17 getting wanked and by who

we are just commenting on what we see and what we see is 17 tanking attacks that a ssb cant tank like toppo,jirens or anilaza ki blasts and is overall ssb level

tbh if we scale it should be more impressive as the ssb of this arc are above the ssbs of the black arc as they have all trained

@thenewguysnm1: you kidding me? Frieza kicked Jiren's through like 8 rocks in just his final form, not even golden.

There is no consistency with Jiren right now because he later blitz Golden Frieza right after that.

Its like "someone does something against Jiren = blue level now"

Finally form Frieza = Blue now

Honestly, the story of the show is pretty predictable. I bet my money Jiren is fighting to helps everyone level up so they can fight this stupid random evildoer that was just introduced.

17

In theory Black should be more powerful, but at this point 17 has better feats.

I can build a case for 17. Considering his unlimited stamina, OP barriers, very decent smarts and tournament rules can really come to play in 17 favor, even if he is outclassed in raw power that is.

I doubt this is a cake walk for Black.

17 really shouldn't stand a chance against Black but his showings against Aniraza, God of Destruction Candidate Toppo and Jiren mean he'll make Black work for his win. Black does win though, he's too powerful and can improve mid battle.

well that was a surprise attack so yeah

also all his feats point to him being blue tier its pretty clear

@thenewguysnm1: half his feats he needed help or caught someone off guard

Black stomps

This is ToP rules so I have 17 very very very high difficulty.

17 has shown to be very strategic in a no killing tournament setting.

If this had been a no ring out, to the death fight I'd lean towards black.

Black is handicapped badly here as a lot of his moves are KILL moves. I doubt his dimensional portal for clones would work in the void. His sword would be a potential dq for him.

But in raw power he should be able to make this a fight.

@thedarkking25: Something 17 can do in this 1 on 1 scenario when he doesn't have Ki that can't be sense.

Cause a large enough explosion with his *infinite* energy and disappear, catch Black when his guard is down like against Jiren. Except the power difference isn't half as massive.

@emperorthanos@jashro44

Initially 17 would have the advantage, he’d be pushing black on the ropes. But blacks improvement is insane so he’d win. Clones, scythe, unlimited growth on top of an advantage in physicals like power and speed would be too hard to deny. Even if it’s not a kill to win setting, superior power or abilities usually overwhelm in Dragonball. Not saying 17 couldn’t win but Rose Black takes it 6 or 7 times out of 10. 17 wins 3 or 4 out of sheer skill and battle intelligence

Goku Black can outlast 17 enough to kill him.

That does not make sense, 17 is the one with infinity stamina, it should be the other way around. I mean even if Black get stronger, he will eventually run out of stamina while 17 barrier is a good defense to play the long game.

Black. The recent episode with Jiren contradicts what was established earlier about Jiren. Vados said fighters are most vulnerable when they are performing a finishing attack which is why Hit tried to strike Jiren after he blasted Goku. Jiren was also able to sense Hit attacking him from another space. Yet Jiren was surprised by both Frieza and 17? Something doesn't add up. The only explanation I can think of is Jiren is struggling to keep track of multiple fighters at once. It was said Jiren was thrown out of his rhythm when both Goku and Vegeta attacked him at once. So maybe that is why he was taken off guard twice so easily?

Anyways 17 can give Black a good fight due to his limitless stamina and his barrier, but he still doesn't have feats on par with fighting two ssj blue enemies at once which is what black at his peak did using his clones. I don't think 17's showing against Jiren is that special at this point.

17 handily. Nobody but Jiren and GoD Toppo was able to get through his shield. Black can't do it too so he can't counter his defense and hurt him. And if 17 is smart and strong enough to hurt Jiren then there's no reason why he can't beat Black.

@comicgirl21: actually ribrianne shattered his shield once.

Although it's true that 17 has more stamina than Black, infinite stamina=/= increased durability, abilities and mimicry, and strength from fighting. What I meant was that Goku Black is capable of increasing his power and abilities due to fighting others, and having regenerating stamina does not save a person from losing to someone who can expand passed their current capabilities just by fighting. Goku Black's potential can be brought forth faster than Android 17 despite 17 being tactical in fights when he's not cocky. He's been capable of creating clones that reform back with ease, using Goku's moves such as instant transmission and recovery, increase his own body and abilities through fighting, and has been capable of defeating nearly everyone in his own universe.

Goku Black in a very difficult fight could win

17 actually wins lmao.

No, 17 doesn't win. Why are people hyping him up so much? He damaged Jiren with a full power attack while the latters guard was completely down, I don't see what's so impressive about that... Black still wins.

@hittheassasin: Want to do a CaV on it?

@chronicplane: Actually, that's not a half bad idea. However, I'm already in 2 CaVs right now and I'm not so motivated right now anyway. You can PM me though, maybe we can sort something out for the future?

Black 5.5 out of 10

@hittheassasin: It's good, I'd like to do this match up though. I'll PM you we'll discuss about this for the future when your time table is cleared up.

17's energy can't be sensed. As for Frieza i have no idea lol.

I see alot of misinterpretation on 17. His barriers are better at blocking than ki blasts because they're barriers. That literally their function. 17 can't overwhelm an SSB tiers attacks with a ki blast, nor tank them, so he's obviously not stronger than any of them...he only gets by by having an ability specifically designed to block things. You can't power scale that to a character who can't use barriers like that. You can scale everything else, and he's clearly weaker based on that.

17 stomps hard lol, no contest.